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post #8881 of 9406
1/27/12 at 4:51pm
I don't gamble, but if I did, this is the part where I would say, "I will bet $50 that either the actual permit application for KFXL-15, or the final license, will specify a power level less than 1000 kW, possibly significantly less."

- Trip
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post #8882 of 9406
1/27/12 at 5:47pm
Why would they go less, I thought a TV stations goal was to have more coverage area so they have more Viewers and thus could charge more for Advertising?

Or does the cost of electricity out weight that these days?

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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I don't gamble, but if I did, this is the part where I would say, "I will bet $50 that either the actual permit application for KFXL-15, or the final license, will specify a power level less than 1000 kW, possibly significantly less."

- Trip
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post #8883 of 9406
1/27/12 at 5:55pm
Power bill and price of the transmitter. How much more money can you make for the amount of money you spend on increased costs like those?

KFXL might increase power to some degree, but I would not expect 1000 kW.

- Trip
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post #8884 of 9406
1/27/12 at 6:04pm
Clarification - this would not count as an Omaha station (for carriage or advertising). It's simply an upgrade for KFXL, although it's a much-needed upgrade as KFXL's current signal barely gets out of Lincoln. This will allow areas like Crete and Beatrice to get a local Fox signal over-the-air.

Lincoln stations have previously made it to Omaha, such as KOLN being watchable in southwest Omaha during the analog TV days. Parts of west Omaha also get a good signal from Lincoln's KUON/12. Still, for those in range of both stations, it may make for some more choices for syndicated programming.

Broadcast location ought to be the same tower as they currently transmit on.


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===BREAKING NEWS===

A 2nd Fox station may be coming to the Southern half of Omaha according to our friends at northpine.com

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html

Just like in Lincoln were most get Two NBCs and Two ABCs because they are so close to an other DMA market, Omaha may get Two also.
Fox from Lincoln and Fox from Omaha.

Fox is known for only have a couple of hours of prime time each night so that means TONS of independent unique programming choices hopefully in HD.

They still need a Tower, hopefully they use an existing one that is already there so they just need to put the antenna up and turn it on.
Good luck Fox Lincoln on UHF.

Now we just need the CBS and ABC to change from VFH to UHF so we can pick them up better like we could before the digital conversion when they were both on there temp channels.

People with Over the Air Tuners USB ($50 add on cost) added to DirecTV and Dish HD receivers will get the channels via an Antenna in Omaha. I doubt Cox cable will carry it or even can legally carry it since its out side of the DMA.

FCC doc is here
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...DA-12-91A1.pdf

and original request
http://www.fcc.gov/document/kfxl-tv-...ncoln-nebraska

Quote from our Friends at north pine
The FCC has approved a plan that could give a Lincoln TV station coverage of Omaha. FOX affiliate KFXL-TV/51 currently transmits with just 14kW; it will move to channel 15 and upgrade to the maximum DTV power of 1,000kW, which will add about 700,000 people to KFXL's theoretical coverage area. The station must still apply for and receive a construction permit before it can implement the change. KFXL was restricted from upgrading on channel 51 because of the FCC's plans to auction channel 52 for other uses. KFXL will likely have to continue to remap to virtual channel 51.1 because of overlap with KXVO (Omaha), which broadcasts on channel 38 and remaps to 15, its old analog channel. KFXL is owned by Lincoln Broadcasting, LLC, and operated by Pappas Telecasting."
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post #8885 of 9406
1/27/12 at 7:33pm
Scott why did you include the new cox HD in your post?

Also the non fox shows are not in HD that I know of
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post #8886 of 9406
1/28/12 at 5:52pm
Anybody else having trouble with QAM channels coming through Cox? The only locals I'm getting are CBS & Fox.
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post #8887 of 9406
1/28/12 at 7:01pm
I agree with you Scott. I can receive both KMTV and KLKN and having two LWN channels is horror that you can not imagine.
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post #8888 of 9406
1/28/12 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by defrederickjr View Post

Anybody else having trouble with QAM channels coming through Cox? The only locals I'm getting are CBS & Fox.

I have a cable box, but KETV and MeTV have been choppy lately
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post #8889 of 9406
1/28/12 at 8:18pm
I did some research and each station is actually paid a percentage of the profits from the ads to carry the channel.
This is really just a big infomercial channel taking up valuable HD bandwidth.

I would boycott the LWN sub channels.

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I agree with you Scott. I can receive both KMTV and KLKN and having two LWN channels is horror that you can not imagine.
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post #8890 of 9406
1/29/12 at 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by halac0ax View Post

I agree with you Scott. I can receive both KMTV and KLKN and having two LWN channels is horror that you can not imagine.

There are going to be area that can only get one LWN
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post #8891 of 9406
2/3/12 at 10:57am
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There are going to be area that can only get one LWN

some places will get both, depening on where u live and if you get both KMTV and KLKN



btw, any word if Omaha is getting Bounce TV http://www.facebook.com/bouncetv

or Antenna TV http://www.facebook.com/AntennaTV



(maybe one of them could be on 6.3 or on 3.2 if LWN gets replaced perhaps (down the line)


cause it sucks that other cities get both of them and meTV

and yet we can only have meTV
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post #8892 of 9406
2/3/12 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

I would boycott the LWN sub channels.

most people have.

KMTV's subchannel LWN has very few viewers compared to Cool TV (the previous channel 3.2)



I will make a prediction, that sooner or later (probably even later this year since Cool Tv only lasted a year) what is on channel 3.2 right now will be replaced with something else

(likely Bounce TV http://www.bouncetv.com/shows

or Antenna TV http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/ since both are competing for a Omaha station


plus unless the folks at KMTV are really stupid, they are going to want something on 3.2 that can compete with meTV on 7.2
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post #8893 of 9406
2/3/12 at 11:12am
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(likely Bounce TV http://www.bouncetv.com/shows

or Antenna TV http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/ since both are competing for a Omaha station


What is your source on this (that Antenna and Bounce are competing for an Omaha station)?
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post #8894 of 9406
2/3/12 at 11:28am
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What is your source on this (that Antenna and Bounce are competing for an Omaha station)?

their facebook pages for the channels.

both have said they want a station in omaha as well as a number of other cities they want to branch into
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post #8895 of 9406
2/3/12 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by billiefan2000 View Post


most people have.

KMTV's subchannel LWN has very few viewers compared to Cool TV (the previous channel 3.2)

I will make a prediction, that sooner or later (probably even later this year since Cool Tv only lasted a year) what is on channel 3.2 right now will be replaced with something else

(likely Bounce TV http://www.bouncetv.com/shows

or Antenna TV http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/ since both are competing for a Omaha station

plus unless the folks at KMTV are really stupid, they are going to want something on 3.2 that can compete with meTV on 7.2

What's your source on low LWN ratings?
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post #8896 of 9406
2/3/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by JoelWNelson View Post

What is your source on this (that Antenna and Bounce are competing for an Omaha station)?

Opinion. Nothing more.
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post #8897 of 9406
2/3/12 at 7:57pm
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What's your source on low LWN ratings?

Opinion. Nothing more.
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post #8898 of 9406
2/3/12 at 8:08pm
Myself, I sure do not like the Live Well Network. I removed it from my guide list.

We need something like Tuff TV or RTV.
I really like METV
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post #8899 of 9406
2/3/12 at 11:59pm
I'm not a big fan of Live Well either, but the fact that Scripps signed on with them last May and then bought McGraw-Hill Broadcasting which gives them alone a total of 19 stations carrying Live Well (or will be soon), means someone, somewhere must like it.

In Detroit Scripps dumped Retro TV for Live Well. And it shouldn't have to be said that the only reason for the change was $$$.

Live Well now covers over 60% of the US, and is growing. Don't expect it to go anywhere soon.
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post #8900 of 9406
2/5/12 at 1:04pm
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Myself, I sure do not like the Live Well Network. I removed it from my guide list.

We need something like Tuff TV or RTV.
I really like METV


I think if LWN, had some better shows like reruns of Celebrity Fit Club perhaps, it might be a bit watchable channel.

Motion is a good show on LWN, but other than that.


I would love Tuff TV http://www.tufftv.com/schedule or Bounce Tv or Antenna Tv to be on in Omaha

if KETV or WOWT or KMTV ever decides on a 7.3 or 6.3 or 3.3 channel, I hope one of the three mentioned just now is picked up on it.


I would see Tuff TV likely being on 6.3 if it ever got picked up to air in Omaha considering 6.2 used to be a olympics channel.


many other abc and nbc stations have 2 sub-channels, so it is a matter of time before there will be a 6.3 or 7.3 in Omaha


RTV is dying network. most of its stations are becoming LWN or meTV stations across the country
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post #8901 of 9406
2/5/12 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by billiefan2000 View Post


I think if LWN, had some better shows like reruns of Celebrity Fit Club perhaps, it might be a bit watchable channel.

Motion is a good show on LWN, but other than that.

I would love Tuff TV http://www.tufftv.com/schedule or Bounce Tv or Antenna Tv to be on in Omaha

if KETV or WOWT or KMTV ever decides on a 7.3 or 6.3 or 3.3 channel, I hope one of the three mentioned just now is picked up on it.

I would see Tuff TV likely being on 6.3 if it ever got picked up to air in Omaha considering 6.2 used to be a olympics channel.

many other abc and nbc stations have 2 sub-channels, so it is a matter of time before there will be a 6.3 or 7.3 in Omaha

RTV is dying network. most of its stations are becoming LWN or meTV stations across the country

Like I sad before unless Hearst(ABC) or Gray(NBC) has stations with more than one I don't see that happening.
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post #8902 of 9406
2/5/12 at 8:01pm
What about channel 15.2 any chance of the Spanish channel moving to its own station. Seemed like it already had its own channel but was just low power.

Any chance of that low power moving to high power? Seems like in a lot of bigger markets the Spanish channel is not on a sub channel.

If not maybe the new High power channel 51.2 will have it (changing to the CWs old channel 15 but mapping to 51).


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Like I sad before unless Hearst(ABC) or Gray(NBC) has stations with more than one I don't see that happening.
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post #8903 of 9406
2/6/12 at 7:23am
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What about channel 15.2 any chance of the Spanish channel moving to its own station. Seemed like it already had its own channel but was just low power.

Any chance of that low power moving to high power? Seems like in a lot of bigger markets the Spanish channel is not on a sub channel.

If not maybe the new High power channel 51.2 will have it (changing to the CWs old channel 15 but mapping to 51).

Even if there were to be a 51.2 it wouldn't take programming from 15.2 as 51.x is a Lincoln/Tri-Cities station. If 51.2 happened to be Azteca, hypothetically speaking, it would be a Lincoln affiliate and end up basically mirroring 15.2.
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post #8904 of 9406
2/6/12 at 10:40pm
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many other abc and nbc stations have 2 sub-channels, so it is a matter of time before there will be a 6.3 or 7.3 in Omaha

Not really.

Although adding a subchannel is not out of the question for any station, just because other ABC & NBC stations have more than two subchannels doesn't mean a thing when it comes to stations independently owned.
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post #8905 of 9406
2/8/12 at 9:41am
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Like I sad before unless Hearst(ABC) or Gray(NBC) has stations with more than one I don't see that happening.

according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_...ision_stations

WMOR and WKCF in Florida has 2 sub-channels
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post #8906 of 9406
2/8/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

What about channel 15.2 any chance of the Spanish channel moving to its own station. Seemed like it already had its own channel but was just low power.

Any chance of that low power moving to high power? Seems like in a lot of bigger markets the Spanish channel is not on a sub channel.

If not maybe the new High power channel 51.2 will have it (changing to the CWs old channel 15 but mapping to 51).

15.2 used to be channel 57 on analog broadcast and was to become 18.1 bue due to financial problems at the time, they moved it to 15.2 instead


KOHA-LP I know is to be moving from 48 on analog broadcast to 47.1 eventually


3abn is to be moving to 25.1 but still no word on that either, which I would think since lincoln's 3abn has been upgraded, why hasnt Omaha's yet
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post #8907 of 9406
2/8/12 at 9:52am
will Omaha area be able to get the fox station in lincoln.

that should be a question asked. considering that we cant get or hardly get the cbs/pbs stations from lincoln, I doubt we would get channel 51/15 from Lincoln
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post #8908 of 9406
2/8/12 at 10:37am
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according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_...ision_stations

WMOR and WKCF in Florida has 2 sub-channels

Do the broadcast the main feed in HD?Might be bandwidth related since we have ABC and NBC in hd
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post #8909 of 9406
2/8/12 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by billiefan2000 View Post

according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_...ision_stations

WMOR and WKCF in Florida has 2 sub-channels

One more time....

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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

It's all about the money.....If an ABC or NBC affiliate can add FOX, The CW, or MNTV, that's one thing. If an ABC or NBC affiliate can add The Cool or Daystar, that's completely different.

If you lived in an area with a larger Spanish speaking population, you can bet a local station would have Telemundo or Univision as a subchannel. A quick check shows the Omaha area has ~9% Hispanic population; maybe not enough to make it worthwhile.
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post #8910 of 9406
2/11/12 at 3:11pm
Yes, signal maps confirm that if Lincolns Fox does go with the full power granted by the FCC many in Omaha will get it.
Cox, Dish, and DirectV will not be able to give it to Omaha area customers as fox Lincoln will be outside the legal DMA zone. In other words Fox OMaha owns the rights.

Anyone with an over the air turner, such as those built in or added on to Dish or DirecTV boxes will be able to get it with an Attic Antenna and it will show up on the guide. Over the Air reception is not limited by DMA boundaries.

The assumption here is KFXL will go full power. Some say they may not due to electricity or tower costs. Myself I think they will go full power as it will mean more Advertising dollards (more viewers). Plus it will make them a POWER HOUSE in Nebraska with signal coverage for 80% of the state through there network of towers. Population wise the Lincoln Fox network will have more Nebraska viewer with Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island, Kearney Hastings than any other commercial station.

Here is the map

Zoom down to street level to see if you will get it. Comparing this to Lincolns CBS and ABC I would say it it much stronger going well past Omaha.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.p...=1462780&map=Y


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Originally Posted by billiefan2000 View Post

will Omaha area be able to get the fox station in lincoln.

that should be a question asked. considering that we cant get or hardly get the cbs/pbs stations from lincoln, I doubt we would get channel 51/15 from Lincoln
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