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post #8911 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

Yes, signal maps confirm that if Lincolns Fox does go with the full power granted by the FCC many in Omaha will get it.
Cox, Dish, and DirectV will not be able to give it to Omaha area customers as fox Lincoln will be outside the legal DMA zone. In other words Fox OMaha owns the rights.

Anyone with an over the air turner, such as those built in or added on to Dish or DirecTV boxes will be able to get it with an Attic Antenna and it will show up on the guide. Over the Air reception is not limited by DMA boundaries.

The assumption here is KFXL will go full power. Some say they may not due to electricity or tower costs. Myself I think they will go full power as it will mean more Advertising dollards (more viewers). Plus it will make them a POWER HOUSE in Nebraska with signal coverage for 80% of the state through there network of towers. Population wise the Lincoln Fox network will have more Nebraska viewer with Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island, Kearney Hastings than any other commercial station.

Here is the map

Zoom down to street level to see if you will get it. Comparing this to Lincolns CBS and ABC I would say it it much stronger going well past Omaha.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.p...=1462780&map=Y

What if this does happen and KPTM decides to drop Fox programming would cox and dish and directv be able to air it?
post #8912 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ajwees41 View Post

What if this does happen and KPTM decides to drop Fox programming....

Why would they do that?
post #8913 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

Cox, Dish, and DirectV will not be able to give it to Omaha area customers as fox Lincoln will be outside the legal DMA zone.

While it is extremely unlikely that Cox would have any desire to carry KFXL in any form, it should be noted that legally, Cox could carry KFXL in Omaha with blackouts of FOX programminng. (It's a little-known fact that FOX only broadcasts as a network for two hours weekdays, from 7-9 p.m. The hours are longer on weekends for sports). Cox would have to reach a carriage agreement with KFXL in order to do this.

Here is an excerpt about blackouts of syndicated programming from an FCC factsheet on cable carriage at http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/facts/csgen.html:

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Originally Posted by FCC View Post

no cable system is required to delete a program broadcast by a station which is either significantly viewed or which places a Grade B or better contour over the community of the cable system.
post #8914 of 9543
The FCC controls this. The Tower would have to be located in the DMA mapped zone which it is not. If KPTM dropped it the network would be opened up for bid and an other station or digital sub channel would pick it up that had a tower in the DMA zone.


======== OMAHA WORLD HERALD WARREN BUFFET CARD? =====================
Interesting that the Omaha World Herald owns Lincolns Fox. (source not verified)
I knew someone one with some money had to be involved with this.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFXL-TV


I agree on the point about black outs and how Cox could carry non prime time,
but I bet Lawyers would have to work through a very detailed contract as
often the independent shows are purchased with syndicated rights on a Per DMA basics thus also preventing Cox from carrying it if an Omaha Station also airs the same show anytime during the week. Interesting idea if it works out. Very smart I think.

The point on non prime time hours avl on Cox is even more interesting if it is true that the Omaha World Herald and Warren Buffet own this thing. They could truly be trying to build a state wide network using one of the Big 4 networks. Sounds like the station will go all the way to North Platte using several towers. Sounds similar to Channels 10 and 11 which goes form Lincoln to North Platte, except 10-11 has a tower west of Lincoln making it hard to get in Omaha. Fox Lincolns tower is in the Northern part of Lincoln near I-80 or about a 40 minute driver from the edge of Omaha.

The Omaha World Herald used to Own KETV, maybe they are getting back into TV now that the trend for News Paper subscriptions is going down.
Source not verified: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KETV




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Originally Posted by billiefan2000 View Post

will Omaha area be able to get the fox station in lincoln.

that should be a question asked. considering that we cant get or hardly get the cbs/pbs stations from lincoln, I doubt we would get channel 51/15 from Lincoln

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Originally Posted by ajwees41 View Post

What if this does happen and KPTM decides to drop Fox programming would cox and dish and directv be able to air it?
post #8915 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

The FCC controls this. The Tower would have to be located in the DMA mapped zone which it is not. If KPTM dropped it the network would be opened up for bid and an other station or digital sub channel would pick it up that had a tower in the DMA zone.

Interesting that the Omaha World Herald owns Lincolns Fox. (source not verified)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFXL-TV

I wrote most of that article. Here are a couple references on the ownership.
http://journalstar.com/business/worl...af6224643.html

http://investing.businessweek.com/re...capId=35641651
post #8916 of 9543
Looks like I was wrong on the coverage. It is more than I thought.

It will go from council Bluffs (see new map) to well past Ogallala (see current Map).

They will have 3 plus full power stations. This is starting to sound like the old NTV network that had 4 full power stations.

Here is the link to the current map (see last page)

http://videos.pappastv.com/ntv/News/...ge_Map_911.pdf

Here is the new link to the proposed new HIgh Power on Channel 15 showing coverage into Iowa.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.p...=1462780&map=Y

Now all they need is a station in Scotts Bluff or something to have state border to border (west to east coverage).
Is Warren Buffet by chance using is money on this since he bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald which also owns the North Platte Telegraph and other smaller newspapers.
Got to wonder.
post #8917 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

Is Warren Buffet by chance using is money on this since he bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald which also owns the North Platte Telegraph and other smaller newspapers.
Got to wonder.

This isn't some Warren Buffett conspiracy theory. And he didn't "bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald" he bought the entire Omaha World-Herald.
post #8918 of 9543
Thank you, sounds like confirmation.
Now that Warren Buffet OWNS the Wolrd Herald, they now have access to large amounts of cash to make improvements.

Improvements in all forms of media, not just limited to the demising newspapers business. News is seen on Newspapers, TV, Radio, and the web.

I would not be surprised if Fox Nebraska soon announces a 4th Station or an agreement with a digital Sub channel to cover North Central Nebraska. There seems to be a big whole up there Holt and Brown Counties.

Source DMA Map= http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/nebraska.gif



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Originally Posted by Mr.Nuke View Post

This isn't some Warren Buffett conspiracy theory. And he didn't "bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald" he bought the entire Omaha World-Herald.
post #8919 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

I would not be surprised if Fox Nebraska soon announces a 4th Station or an agreement with a digital Sub channel to cover North Central Nebraska. There seems to be a big whole up there Holt and Brown Counties.

Source DMA Map= http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/nebraska.gif

I doubt it. The O'Neill low-power digital signal is probably all there will be for two reasons: population density and money. Pappas already shut off their LPTVs in Valentine, which previously relayed KHGI and KTVG (KFXL's predecessor). Granted, Valentine is out-of-market, but southwest NE stations are available on cable there.

Despite KFXL itself being owned by a subsidiary of the OWH, it is managed by Pappas, which is bankrupt. And the other Fox Nebraska stations, including the actual source station (KHGI 13.2), are under different ownership... Pappas. When they finally have the budget to upgrade KHGI's news operation to HD or at least widescreen, and support HD local ads on KHGI and KFXL, then maybe that's a good sign things are coming together. In the meantime, I think the eventual power upgrade is going to be the extent of any changes. Despite the call letters and branding, keep in mind channel 51 in Lincoln is at this point effectively a low-powered SD repeater of KHGI 13.2. In my limited and unscientific observations, everyone I've seen in Lincoln watching OTA or on cable still watches KPTM. I've only seen KFXL on in places served by Dish or DirecTV for obvious reasons.
post #8920 of 9543
Well, that was quick... KFXL made the formal application for 1,000kW on channel 15 and the FCC has already approved the construction permit. They now have 18 months to put it on the air.
post #8921 of 9543
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Originally Posted by Jon Ellis View Post

Well, that was quick... KFXL made the formal application for 1,000kW on channel 15 and the FCC has already approved the construction permit. They now have 18 months to put it on the air.

Hopefully they'll also allocate some resources to improving the picture quality. Attached is what they're currently putting out (aspect ratio off, for one thing).
LL
post #8922 of 9543
While working with screengrabs... I've never seen anything this bad before... looks like K18CD-D is waiting for KSNB's move to York before it gets separate programming*. This is not an analog signal... but a digital signal fed by an awful analog signal. Since they are all on the same tower, it appears that KWAZ-LP 35 is picking up the digital signal of 3ABN 27.1 with a converter box, feeding it through an analog device that allows text overlays, and then K18CD-D is picking up the very low power channel 35 signal and outputting it in digital SD.

*That programming is anyone's guess, but my guess is a CW affiliation consisting of KSNB, KTVG, and KWAZ/K18CD-D.
LL
post #8923 of 9543
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Originally Posted by Jon Ellis View Post

Well, that was quick... KFXL made the formal application for 1,000kW on channel 15 and the FCC has already approved the construction permit. They now have 18 months to put it on the air.

Er, don't they have three years?

- Trip
post #8924 of 9543
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Er, don't they have three years?

- Trip

Yep, I guess it is. I was thinking this kind of modification was 18 months, but that's wrong.
post #8925 of 9543
Wow that is REAL BAD.
Hopefully that make this all HD as according to the station channel 51 is to become the FLAG SHIP station of Fox Nebraska which implies all the there other repeater stations will just carry what is on 51 (soon to be 15 mapped to 51).

If they dont , I will be the first to complain to the owners (the Omaha World Herald).

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Originally Posted by JoelWNelson View Post

Hopefully they'll also allocate some resources to improving the picture quality. Attached is what they're currently putting out (aspect ratio off, for one thing).
post #8926 of 9543
On another note, how much longer will MyNetwork keep going? Their entire lineup is reruns: http://www.mynetworktv.com/schedule.php

I am surprised 10/11 hasn't picked up MeTV. I would think that would grab bigger ratings. Of course, you wouldn't have the big availability for local spots throughout the rest of the day w/ their less than exciting syndicated programming. Anybody know why MyNetwork is that attractive to carry or is it anymore?
post #8927 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ScottChez View Post

Wow that is REAL BAD.
Hopefully that make this all HD as according to the station channel 51 is to become the FLAG SHIP station of Fox Nebraska which implies all the there other repeater stations will just carry what is on 51 (soon to be 15 mapped to 51).

If they dont , I will be the first to complain to the owners (the Omaha World Herald).

I wonder if it will truly be the flagship signal as it is operated out of the KHGI studio near Kearney.
post #8928 of 9543
Good question, to get the highest ratings per city population they will need local news from Lincolns and then next largest city Grand Island.

Or they could just out source ALL news like the Omaha Fox KPTM does. Its is out of Minneapolis but it looks like Local news as the reporters and film all is local.


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Originally Posted by JoelWNelson View Post

I wonder if it will truly be the flagship signal as it is operated out of the KHGI studio near Kearney.
post #8929 of 9543
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Originally Posted by PAULSTORM View Post

On another note, how much longer will MyNetwork keep going? Their entire lineup is reruns: http://www.mynetworktv.com/schedule.php

Not sure where you've been, as this has been the case for 3 years since February 2009, with the exception of WWE SmackDown, which left for SyFy in October 2010.

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Anybody know why MyNetwork is that attractive to carry or is it anymore?

It makes money. The cost of programming compared to the ratings and revenue is a good value for the stations that carry MNTV, which reaches over 95% of the country on affiliated stations.
post #8930 of 9543
My Network TV is more of a brand than a network, IMHO. (They prefer not to be actually called a "network" anymore in the industry trades, either, just a "program service" or something like that...) MNT only supplies 12 hours a week of programming to its affiliates, leaving them to come up with the remaining 156 hours. FOX and CW aren't much better, either, with 19 and 25 hours, respectively, per week. ABC, CBS, and NBC supply more than 85 hours, depending how much overnight programming affiliates choose to air. (And the CW+, the service affiliates in markets 100 and below like Lincoln are required to carry, is a 24/7 channel.)

But I digress from a digression...
post #8931 of 9543
Ok, I finely found a price on the SD Prime I can live with and it's on its way. Anyone have any setup tips/hints for me using Cox Omaha and Windows 7 Media Center. I'm already using MCE with regular tuners.
post #8932 of 9543
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Originally Posted by rmalbers View Post

Ok, I finely found a price on the SD Prime I can live with and it's on its way. Anyone have any setup tips/hints for me using Cox Omaha and Windows 7 Media Center. I'm already using MCE with regular tuners.

Biggest issue is to get the cable card activated. Cox hasn't trained their staff well in cable card activation procedures. They usually expect that you use a Tivo or a cable card ready TV, so saying that you use the card with a PC throws them off and can get ugly ("we don't support PCs sir"), so it's better not to tell them what you plug the card into.

In my case it took 2-3 calls before the card was finally activated, i.e. I got the right rep who actually knew how cable cards work.

Also make sure you get an M-CARD, as no other card will work.

After it was finally activated, it has been working OK. There are occasional hick ups, but I think the drivers have gotten better and are still being improved.

/Anders
post #8933 of 9543
Thanks for the info. I do have an M-card in hand. COX gave me the phone number: 402-933-3000 to call, do you remember if that's the right number to get the best techs, by any chance? Did you upgrade to the lastest firmware with your Prime?
post #8934 of 9543
Well, I haven't really found a best number to call The one you posted looks like their regular support number and will probably be OK.

I have 20120124beta2 installed. I just noticed that there is a newer version out there. I'll probably upgrade to the latest version later this week.
post #8935 of 9543
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post


Biggest issue is to get the cable card activated. Cox hasn't trained their staff well in cable card activation procedures. They usually expect that you use a Tivo or a cable card ready TV, so saying that you use the card with a PC throws them off and can get ugly ("we don't support PCs sir"), so it's better not to tell them what you plug the card into.

In my case it took 2-3 calls before the card was finally activated, i.e. I got the right rep who actually knew how cable cards work.

Also make sure you get an M-CARD, as no other card will work.

After it was finally activated, it has been working OK. There are occasional hick ups, but I think the drivers have gotten better and are still being improved.

/Anders

Seeing as they only have Mcards that shouldn't be any problem.
post #8936 of 9543
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Originally Posted by ajwees41 View Post

Seeing as they only have Mcards that shouldn't be any problem.

somehow they managed to give me an SCard back in September with the rep saying - "we just got those in, they are the latest"... which resulted in me having to to go the Cox store twice....
post #8937 of 9543
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

somehow they managed to give me an SCard back in September with the rep saying - "we just got those in, they are the latest"... which resulted in me having to to go the Cox store twice....

Ditto this. Make sure you get a red Motorola card.

Also, I called 1-888-556-1193 to activate. Jon at 80th and Dodge was helpful with activating the Plus Pack channels.
post #8938 of 9543
Wow, thanks, for that number. Yes, I have a red Motorola M-Card. (Stupid UPS, my Prime got routed back where it started, I've never had that happen before!)
post #8939 of 9543
Just had an odd occurance this morning while doing a OTA rescan. Picked up KMEG out of Sioux City for a couple of seconds. It's gone now but am going to try another rescan to see if it shows up again.

I'm located midtown, south of Center on 42nd near Bancroft. Using 2 basic indoor non-amped antennas with a combiner.
post #8940 of 9543
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Originally Posted by jrfendrick View Post

Ditto this. Make sure you get a red Motorola card.

Also, I called 1-888-556-1193 to activate. Jon at 80th and Dodge was helpful with activating the Plus Pack channels.

I finally got the plus pack channels activated. A call to customer care a few weeks ago only resulted in never ending trouble shooting and finally a promise that it'd work in 5 minutes, which it didn't and I gave up...

Today I returned a box to the Cox store at Village Pointe and asked them to activate the Plus Pack. After some discussions between the reps, they finally got convinced it was OK and when I got home everything was working as expected. Thanks for the tip jrfendrick!

/Anders
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