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got a new tv in last few days with digital tuner and only has cable channels 2-70 and some digital OTA channels such as


107.4- metv
100.11- scola

82.12- channel 122 as it's called (does that channel even serve a use)
83.12- channel 109 as it's called (which like channel 22 airs mostly national shows and little local shows on it's public access channels anymore)




what is full list of digital OTA channels, (I wanna make sure I got them all)


and is Tv Guide channel or Daystar among them (and if not, why?) (I would think daystar would be since it's on KOHA 48.1 on broadcast)


also what is 108.5 supposed to be? shows up on my lineup, but nothing's on it

Anyone seen any sign of KSNB-TV/4 in the last few weeks? On Oct. 2, they filed a license to cover application for their new facility near York, meaning it may be on the air. The theoretical rooftop coverage area extends to Lincoln, Hastings, and Grand Island. They are not currently required to be on the air because the FCC has not granted the license to cover yet, but they could be on.

They weren't online on the 10th of Oct, but I can't speak to anything more recent.

I thought (maybe things have changed at the FCC) that they (any full-license station) had to actually bring a facility to air and demonstrate it matches the predicted performance (called "proof of performance") before they could apply for a license to cover (though they were free to be silent after testing the facility). Translators and LPTVs do not have this requirement, hence the database if full of phantom LP stations with licenses that have never actually been built.

Yes, they have to turn the transmitter on to find out whether it works, but they don't have to keep it on while they wait for the license to be granted. Once the license is granted they have to go on the air or request special temporary authority to remain silent.

The "proof" checks performance into a dummy load but stations aren't required to make field measurements. The FCC accepts vendor gain and loss specs. plus other data to predict calculated coverage area.

any word if cox cable of omaha ever getting TV Japan or The Filipino Channel or Channel One Russia


or is only international channels we are allowed to have in omaha are spanish language channels.


asking cause many other cox cable companies get international channels like TV Japan or The Filipino Channel or Channel One Russia

and yet cox here in omaha dont add them.

 

It's mandated by law that the only international programming that is viewable on Omaha cable is Spanish language.  Then there's also the government edict that says Omaha can't have any more broadcast channels or subchannels. Somewhere in Washington, it's written "Keep subchannels and foreign channels out of Omaha. They're not allowed to have them."

 

/sarcasm

 

Key word: demand  -- if there were sufficient demand (in other words, many people making the same request, and the demographics to support it, there might be more channel offerings and applications for broadcast licenses). Apparently, this is not the case, a vocal few excepted. If foreign channels or other special interest channels are desired, both major satellite providers have foreign language channel packages available. And the potential viewership in Omaha simply seems to not be enough for additional broadcasters to find it profitable to invest in the market.  The existing broadcasters appear to be satisfied with their current offerings, or do not see any advantage for them in paying for another program affiliation and decreasing the quality of their existing programming.

I hope this helps. I'll list the Cox channel number if you had a box, so you can match it up to a channel listing you may have:

TV Tuner number Cox number Channel Name
82.12 122 COX-DTV Local Programming
83.12 109 Public Access
85.3 150 BYU-TV
100.11 110 SCOLA
102.10 113 IPTV (not HD)
105.1 1005 CBS HD (KMTV)
105.2 1011 CW HD (KXVO)
105.3 130 Azteca America (Spanish) (KXVO2)
105.4 125 Live Well Network (KMTV2)
107.1 1010 FOX-HD (KPTM)
107.2 1012 NET-HD (KYNE)
107.3 124 NETV3 (NET3)
107.4 121 My Network TV (KPTM2)
107.5 131 Estrella (Spanish) (KPTM3)
108.1 1009 ABC HD (KETV)
108.2 1008 NBC HD (WOWT)
108.3 123 MeTV (KETV2)
108.4 120 News/Weather (WOWT2)
116.1 1113 IPTV HD
116.2 114 PBS Learns (IPTV2)
116.3 115 PBS World (IPTV3)

thanks. that is what I get plus couple more channels not listed



channel 109 aka 83.12 airs a lot of non-local programming.

same with channel 22. wonder why if it is supposed to be locally aired and locally made shows on those channels



I btw like Scola (missed it for a few years now) and MeTV and This TV and Estrella Tv are all among that list of channels I now get.


still think Daystar should be in that group since it is on broadcast/digital channel 48.1 on broadcast aka KOHA

KSNB is back on the air and detectable in both Lincoln and Grand Island as per SiliconDust logs (see hdhomerun.com). But, no screencaps are available to know what the programming is.  Anyone out that way able to pick it up and report or send a capture?

Not picking it up at 10:30pm. Maybe it's only up for testing purposes part-time?

Also, don't see it in their logs for 68803 (GI) or 68521 (Lincoln). What's weird is that it shows up for 68501 (Lincoln), but as KSNB on 4.1 with no screencaps and KTIV on 4.1 and 4.2. Perhaps there's a problem in their database? KTIV is out of Sioux City.

 

It showed up for me (on hdhomerun.com) on 68801 and 68512; however, as you said, no screencaps. Although, it may be fairly common for low VHF stations to not have screencaps on hdhomerun presumably due to weak signals. KNOP and KHAS don't have screencaps either, and even KLKN and KOLN seem to only be updated every so often.

 

I may be in Lincoln later this week and if I have time I'll slip west to Seward or Milford and see if I can lock anything in from KSNB.

 

Also noticed hdhomerun has the wrong call letters for KOHA in Omaha; they have the call letters of the Baton Rouge Daystar on 48.

The Lineup Server, from what I have determined, tries to guess what stations it's seeing based on TSID and RF channel number. If both stations have a TSID of 1, then it will think it's looking at the same channel in both places.

- Trip

Regarding KSNB -- programming originates from 3ABN. The station logo, if official, sure looks like a copy of the Cornhuskers' "N" trademark.

 

https://stations.fcc.gov/collect/files/21161/Issues%20and%20programs%20lists/COLINS%20-%20KSNB%20Q3%2012%20-%20ISSUES%20-%20RESPONSIVE%20PROGRAMS%2010.10.12%20(13498860376772)_.pdf

Good sleuthing! I would've never even thought of that, even though I have created dozens of those reports.

I'm watching the Notre Dame-USC game on ABC at a restaurant in Lincoln and they have one TV on KLKN and another on KETV. Looks like KETV is 5-7 seconds behind KLKN. I think the TV service is provided by Time Warner here, so now I'm wondering if KETV always trails by a few seconds or if Time Warner's KETV feed is delayed.

That restaurant probably had one of feeds OTA and the other via cable. The cable feed will always have a feed a few seconds delayed that the over the air feed.

Big update on the KSNB situation: KOLN/KGIN's owner has reached a deal to buy KSNB for $1.25 million. They're seeking a failing station waiver to get the deal approved, since the market doesn't have enough stations to allow a fully-owned duopoly otherwise. The paperwork doesn't say it explicitly, but it appears KSNB would carry MyTV. More details are on my site at www.NorthPine.com.

What a waste of a high power HDTV transmitter. Would be nice if it was NBC or something at least, so Lincoln could have a full complement of networks instead of counting Hastings. Of course, I'm sure the KHAS owners would scream bloody murder.

For KSNB there are other network options.
Is there a CW network for this area on a main station (not a sub channel).
There are also other little networks like Retro TV and some of those other "Guy" TV re run networks.
Probably depends on cost on which one they pick.
They should out bid and steal away Fox since KFXL- lincoln is still in super low power.
They could even out bid NBC for rights, but I think they have it in there contract to never Carry NBC as the same poeple also own WOWT NBC. Is this still true?
So many options, but first they have to get and own the station.

Any one else want to guess?
Anyone heard anything new on KFXL going full power? Soon Lincoln will have a lot of local TV I hope.
Edited by ScottChez - 11/26/12 at 5:09pm

Yeah I hadn't thought about the NBC angle. Gray owns KOLN/KGIN and WOWT, so I doubt they'd want to cannibalize their NBC viewership in this area, since WOWT is the only one that can be received.

It'll be interesting how it pans out.

Hoak wouldn't exactly just hand over their rights to NBC and they have the rights to NBC in the entire market.  I don't see the coverage footprint of KSNB being enough to convince NBC to want to go with Gray over their existing deal with KHAS and Hoak Media. Also, Pappas has the rights to CW in the Lincoln/Tri-Cities market last I knew, so that's out too.  Don't know about ION -- think Pappas at least used to have that as well.  KSNB will probably end up as the flagship OTA signal for MyTV in HD.  That makes more sense than affiliating with one of the niche, SD networks.

Most major network contracts have the first right of refusal in them for if a TV station will put there network on a High Powered non sub channel in HD.
The reason for this is the networks want to be High Powered and on the main digital channel in HD.
Typically they have a 1-2 year to either move it to the main channel in HD or they can be out bidded.
So yes, they could take the CW or any network that is only on a sub channel and is not in HD, but it make take a year or two for the bidding rights to work out.
I dont think it will happen with NBC due to there internal agreement.

So, is KSNB on the air? Has anybody been able to verify an actual on-air signal whether it be low or full power? Are they transmitting from near York or Superior?

I tried to pick them up in Kearney (just outside their full power coverage area) last night and had no luck.

Thanks for any clarification.

I tried scanning from the East side of the state and could not get them either. Can anyone?
Are they still on Channel 4? Channel 4 is one of the worst channels for Digital, few to no channels still use it. They need to move to UHF like KFXL is going to 15.
Would this channel cause interference with Channel 5 in Hastings?

And about MyNetworkTV, you may be right. From This B&C article today, the COO of Gray stated that its 'likely' that they will convert KSNB to MyNetworkTV.

Actually, no, because channels 4 and 5 have never been true adjacent channels. There is a 4 MHz band (72-76 MHz) between, which has been used, over the decades, for instrument aircraft landing, remote control of model planes and model cars, two-way business radios, radio astronomy, even machines to deliberately heat people with RF energy (diathermy machines).

This is why several cities, such as New York, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Salt Lake City and Seattle had channels 4 and 5 in the analog era.

KSNB screengrab via K18CD Lincoln:  http://img.lineupui.silicondust.com/snapshots/32/snapshot_39493432.jpg

Wait till UNL gets a hold of them for trademark infringement. That is as blatant of use as the Husker N as I have ever seen and I guarantee they didn't ask permission to use it.