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post #1021 of 1452
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

Being that this thread is also a help thread, I will give a try at solving your problem.

In my case, I had the same issue as you. I found that I needed the volume at the mic to be above at least 85dB's. Anything less and the measurements would not proceed even though I was getting the green in the channel test screen. Try upping the volume of the speakers by increasing the volume on the RS20i. Keep upping the volume until the measurement proceeds to the next channel.

I think interleave may have found some settings on his Cats needed resetting and combined with trying a new laptop that may have solved the problems. But you are spot on - we need to help each other out with our experiences to ensure this thread lives up to its name.
post #1022 of 1452
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

Being that this thread is also a help thread, I will give a try at solving your problem.

In my case, I had the same issue as you. I found that I needed the volume at the mic to be above at least 85dB's. Anything less and the measurements would not proceed even though I was getting the green in the channel test screen. Try upping the volume of the speakers by increasing the volume on the RS20i. Keep upping the volume until the measurement proceeds to the next channel.

Dave,

Thanks for inputting into my issue. I would never have picked a product like Dirac to be so fickle.....

I had a number of suggestions to fix this and thought I would try them all before getting back to the forum. I tried reinstalling the ASIO for the USBPre 2.0 but still no luck...........

I have just stripped the install off my laptop and need to get back to the basement to reinstall the drivers and amp now that I have reinstalled the complete software packs for Dirac. If this still doesnt work I will try a new laptop.

With respect to your comments Dave, I have the measurements progressing from Channel 1 to Channel 2 and as it is processing the channel recording in the background it eventually comes up with the error of unable to find what its looking for (you would think by now I would actually get the complete error and post it! Sorry I am under the pump fighting multiple fires at the moment). I will try your theory too in the morning

I will report back in the morning to all

Thanks
Arthur
post #1023 of 1452
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Originally Posted by stephenbr View Post

I think interleave may have found some settings on his Cats needed resetting and combined with trying a new laptop that may have solved the problems. But you are spot on - we need to help each other out with our experiences to ensure this thread lives up to its name.

Stephen without the forum and in particular your help offline I would be thinking I have made the biggest mistake in the RS20 but I have heard its brilliance with the Triple12s I am sure I will hear it again with the Cats smile.gif

Worse case I might have to lean on you for a visit with your Dirac setup smile.gif
post #1024 of 1452
If I can help out anymore just let me know Arthur.
post #1025 of 1452
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Originally Posted by stephenbr View Post

If I can help out anymore just let me know Arthur.

Mate now I know why you have a laptop dedicated to this! I believe my laptop received a Java update and screwed the complete setup or at least that is my gutt feel.....

Will keep you posted if I need further assistance Stephen.
post #1026 of 1452
Another area to try is the Jave Runtime Environment. Download the 2008 version.

I have a dedicated laptop for Dirac. The laptop came with win 7 and I figured it would just work like it did on my main pc. But no joy. On that laptop I can not get it to play nice with win 7.

Win xp also prooved problematic, latest runtime environment didn't work. The bundled runtime didn't work (2005) but found the 2008 version did. 2008 is the year the software was written I believe.

I imagine v2 of the software will be a little more stable.
post #1027 of 1452
Oh. Another tip. Get into the habit of saving your work at each step you can. This way if it looses connection, or laptop goes screwy then you don't have to repeat all steps again.
post #1028 of 1452
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I'm not speaking for Carl, but IIRC, Carl was an engineer for DTS and was involved with the design of the AP20, the precursor of the RS20i.

No doubt and a very sharp guy.. but not responsible for Dirac. Not sure where that came from...
post #1029 of 1452
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No doubt and a very sharp guy.. but not responsible for Dirac. Not sure where that came from...

 

Nor did I say he was; that was someone else.

 

I was pointing out that Carls experience place him extremely close to those who are/were responsible.  That and the fact he has intimate experience and deep involvement with the development of a commercial platform for its (Dirac) implementation in commercial and home cinema.

 

I believe there is the possibility of argument through analogy that supports an expertise on Carls part.  His participation here and knowledge shared seem to be spot on with Dirac and Datasat product.  At the very least, one would think he would deserve more than a causal lol.

post #1030 of 1452
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

Nor did I say he was; that was someone else.

I was pointing out that Carls experience place him extremely close to those who are/were responsible.  That and the fact he has intimate experience and deep involvement with the development of a commercial platform for its (Dirac) implementation in commercial and home cinema.

I believe there is the possibility of argument through analogy that supports an expertise on Carls part.  His participation here and knowledge shared seem to be spot on with Dirac and Datasat product.  At the very least, one would think he would deserve more than a causal lol.

My "casual lol" was directed to the member that made the comment. There's a bit of a history there between the poster and a couple of other fellow members from this thread and the McIntosh thread. It was an inside joke... It had nothing to do with Carl.
Edited by adidino - 11/21/13 at 2:50pm
post #1031 of 1452
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Originally Posted by stephenbr View Post

If I can help out anymore just let me know Arthur.

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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

Another area to try is the Jave Runtime Environment. Download the 2008 version.

I have a dedicated laptop for Dirac. The laptop came with win 7 and I figured it would just work like it did on my main pc. But no joy. On that laptop I can not get it to play nice with win 7.

Win xp also prooved problematic, latest runtime environment didn't work. The bundled runtime didn't work (2005) but found the 2008 version did. 2008 is the year the software was written I believe.

I imagine v2 of the software will be a little more stable.

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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

Oh. Another tip. Get into the habit of saving your work at each step you can. This way if it looses connection, or laptop goes screwy then you don't have to repeat all steps again.

Guys thanks for the input. After removing JAVA and all associated installation packages for Dirac I have managed to get my laptop communicating again successfully and half way through an 8 point calibration.

Thanks to you too Dave, I also increased the volume on the USBPre 2 just in case it wasnt up high enough for the recording.
post #1032 of 1452
Does anyone know what the latest firmware 1.02.01 update addresses?
post #1033 of 1452
Haven't heard anything about it yet Nick - in the past I have received an email from Datasat advising of an update.

In respect to Auro 3D I note that Datasat are advising of its release now as Q2 2014 and will be displaying it at ISE 2014.
post #1034 of 1452
I have emailed Neil @ Genesis and Andy Tait at Datasat to see if there is any info on this update.

I am hoping it may be addressing a slight bug that has crept its way back into my system.

I am running Dirac only on the 4 subs routed to channel 4 as one mono entity. Since doing this my left hand front main channel has a loss in volume which can be seen on the vu meters. Turn Dirac off and this anomaly disappears. I can level the left and right using an spl meter but just doesn't sound quite right.

Here are the vu meters with pink noise Dirac on.



And Dirac off. Remember I only Dirac calibrated channel 4.



I have for the last few months only been using Dirac on the sub channel. And when I had 2 subs this issue never happened. But I used to get this exact issue on the first firmware release if I had 3 peq cuts engaged on the sub channel.
post #1035 of 1452
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

Does anyone know what the latest firmware 1.02.01 update addresses?
I believe this update addresses the way the RS20i handles audio from a HTPC with a HDMI card. I and another person was having issues with the RS20i not being able to correctly bit-stream HD audio and they fixed that with this update.

How is that for service, only two of us were having problems , but they still took the time to implement a fix!!!
Edited by JapanDave - 11/30/13 at 4:16am
post #1036 of 1452
Hi all,

I just joined the Datasat Family....Well the unit just arrived at my house not played with it or switched it on.

However on thing that seems to bug me straight off is the quality of the XLR Break out cable not complaining about this to Datasat as at least they provided me one, but I cant seem to find any lets say audiophile quality break out cables for the XLR into the amplifiers and was wandering if anyone can suggest a few companies.

Thanks
post #1037 of 1452
We have chord make them for us.
post #1038 of 1452
Here is a wee pick of said Chord Cable.

post #1039 of 1452
I however use the Datasat provided break out cable and it is still a very good performer. I came from an Ada crm4 with atlas mavros cabling to the Datasat with the included breakout cable and the improvements are massive.

I'll hopefully get to try one of the chord cables out to see if it makes much difference and if it does then I'll be putting in my order.
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post #1041 of 1452
Can anyone confirm the Datasat DB25 Connector is standard, they don't use any special config? Is there a spec or information I can find about this?
post #1042 of 1452
Page 129 of this manual has the pin out for the db25 connector

http://www.datasatdigital.com/docs/archive/TM-H529_V1.01_RS20i_User_Guide.pdf
post #1043 of 1452
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

Page 129 of this manual has the pin out for the db25 connector

http://www.datasatdigital.com/docs/archive/TM-H529_V1.01_RS20i_User_Guide.pdf
Sure, but doesn't it follow some standard, e.g. TASCAM?
post #1044 of 1452
I think it follows the Dolby standard.
post #1045 of 1452
Yes it follows a standard and I knew it wasn't tascam or Yamaha. I thought it was Dolby but couldn't be 100% so figured showing the pin out would be the best route for no mistakes.

Afterall I would hate to give the wrong info for someone to spend upto $5000 on a new break out cable to find its wired incorrectly.

But as Dan also thinks Dobly, it's safe to say this it is that

Carl Huff should know for sure. Or contact Datasat direct. Perhaps Dan Schulz will chime in.
post #1046 of 1452
OK just making sure before I give info to someone to make them. Will await for further info.
post #1047 of 1452
Yup,

Both the Datasat AP20 & RS20i use the Dolby Cinema standard pinout. That's because of the commercial cinema beginnings for the product. To the best of my knowledge there is no mass merchandised cable that can be purchased. They are all custom built and as result are pricey.
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Best Regards,
Carl Huff
post #1048 of 1452
Neotech is offering to make them if we can set in a Min Order Quantity PM me for more details.
post #1049 of 1452
Contact Steven Hill at Straightwire: they'll male custom cables and their product is very high quality.

Just a suggestion
post #1050 of 1452
We'll I have to say I was a bit pessimistic about whether changing the stock break out cables for the new Chord ones would make much difference. But upon the first note of play back it was obvious. The stock ones that come with the Datasat are ok, the chord company cable based on the Chord Chameleon pLus is leaps and bounds better.

Typical clichéd improvements. Much bigger soundstage in depth and width. Much better highs, more resolution and detail. The bass is more defined and tight. Just alround a lot better. Can really hear the difference in music. The Dynamics from Boz Scaggs track Thanks To You really shine thru.

A very worthy upgrade.
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