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post #571 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Carl_Huff View Post

Very early on in the AP20/ RS20i project when we were compiling a features list for Datasat management I approached Harmon to talk about licensing Logic 7 (Quantum Logic did not exist at that time). Altho Harmon was gracious, they wouldn't even talk about it. They saw that IP as their proprietary 'magic sauce' and were committed to keeping it that way. I wouldn't expect that to change.
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Best Regards,
Carl Huff

Harman cannot get out of their own way.

But yeah - no way they want to cannibalize the sales of the, er.... um.... wait, what processor is Quantum Logic in? smile.gif

Oh yeah - this processor:

post #572 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Carl_Huff View Post

Very early on in the AP20/ RS20i project when we were compiling a features list for Datasat management I approached Harmon to talk about licensing Logic 7 (Quantum Logic did not exist at that time). Altho Harmon was gracious, they wouldn't even talk about it. They saw that IP as their proprietary 'magic sauce' and were committed to keeping it that way. I wouldn't expect that to change.
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Best Regards,
Carl Huff

Trinnov has a quite unrestricted licensing policy I believe. Wouldn't it be cool to have the option to buy a Datasat / Dirac and Datasat / Trinnov.
post #573 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Carl_Huff View Post

There is quite a bit earlier in this thread detailing best use of the RS20i for managing multiple subwoofers. The RS20i Bass Management engine easily handles 4 subwoofers. The LFE is mixed into each. Japan Dave has a huge collection of subwoofers that he manages with his RS20i. I know that he has explored best use of many combinations. I invite him to respond to your question.
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Carl Huff

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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I was at Dave's not long ago, and he had a somewhat complex setup running at first, but something was not patched right, so he switched to the default mode where all redirected bass and LFE went to all 4 subs equally. Worked perfectly, as all 4 subs are clustered between the L/C/R. Can read more about the bass quality in my post.

Thanks for the replies
post #574 of 1465
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

Trinnov has a quite unrestricted licensing policy I believe. Wouldn't it be cool to have the option to buy a Datasat / Dirac and Datasat / Trinnov.

I am extremely happy with my Trinnov. Fully automatized and at the same time with countless options to play with. I was thinking adding Datasat to my system but will make the whole experience very expensive. Both together will get you close to the price of ADA Reference. If the Reference was upgradable probably would be the best processor in the world.
post #575 of 1465
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Originally Posted by kamenoff View Post

I am extremely happy with my Trinnov.

Me too. The spatial remapping is unique and special. The parametric eq is also excellent.
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Originally Posted by kamenoff View Post

If the Reference was upgradable probably would be the best processor in the world.

I am going to be taking two of my digital sources (a music server and a Vanity boarded Oppo) directly into the Trinnov section, which is the top half of the Reference. Having seen the layout and the cards, that section will likely be highly upgradable. (That being said, the bottom half ADA portion of the Ref appears less upgradeable.)
post #576 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Brucemck2 View Post

...the Trinnov section, which is the top half of the Reference. Having seen the layout and the cards, that section will likely be highly upgradable. (That being said, the bottom half ADA portion of the Ref appears less upgradeable.)
But isn't the bottom half where you need more upgradability (new codecs, new HDMI versions, etc)? By comparison, the top half is already running 16 channels of the latest Trinnov technology; what's to upgrade?
post #577 of 1465
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

....the top half is already running 16 channels of the latest Trinnov technology; what's to upgrade?
24/192 in/out of course.wink.gif
post #578 of 1465
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Originally Posted by ceenhad View Post

Carl can you please confirm if you are actually an authorised dealer?

Thanks

Neil you know I love you to death and I admire your vision to modernize Europe with the finest in home theater. Your investment in the demonstration and training support for your territory is impeccable. Still the focus group of the rs20i consisted of datasat employees and two non datasat emp[oyees: Carl and I.

Carl gambled by showing at CES 2011 the ap-20 piece, easily the best surround demo at that show, which I posted here about. If it wasn't for Carl or I there would have been no RS-20i.

You are going to do great with this piece, instead of worrying about the 2 grandfathers that are owed many a grandfather clause celebrate your adavantages to go back and change center channel time delays and subwoofer levels BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE.

Just setting the record straight, godspeed...
post #579 of 1465
When adding new inputs to the RS20i, once I have reached input 8 I don't seem to be able to assign inputs above 8 to a button. The additional inputs 9-12 appear as inputs in the Select Input list, once the More button is pushed, but only 8 buttons appear in the Button drop down list. Is this an error, by design or have I missed something?
post #580 of 1465
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

All the < more > button brings up is a menu of all buttons you currently have created.

So for it to display an input/ button you need you need first create that input / button.

So, eg,

Setup>edit inputs>copy input>copy input from ( choose your input to copy) then name it under - to input - dialogue box.

Once you have done this you will have a new input / button under the name you titled it. You need to assign the correct input source for that button.

Setup>current input ( select the input you just created) then go to input source and select the hardware input that you require. Eg if you need hdmi4 and you copied hdmi 1 input then click the hdmi 1 box a few times and it will cycle thru to the hdmi 4 input.

Once you have done this you have your input created.

Now when you select the < more > button you will have a menu pop up with every input you have. Included the new one you just created.

You can not assign or edit the input layout on the < more > button it just simply shows all inputs you have created.

Hope that makes sense.

Hi does this help, this was my reply to you asking this question a few weeks back.
post #581 of 1465
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

You can not assign or edit the input layout on the < more > button it just simply shows all inputs you have created.

Sorry I have been away form the equipment for a couple of weeks, your last sentence answered my question which I missed on your first reply.
However I don't understand the logic of being able to assign buttons to inputs 1-8 but not 9-20.
I am using a AMX touch panel programmed via a Netinx controller to control the RS20i and I have to assign every input to a button.

As a side there are quite a few discrepancies with the RS232 Command set which I am working on with engineering at the moment.

Thank you for your input.
post #582 of 1465
Well perhaps we should be able to edit the layout in more buttons, but I do not see how.

Perhaps mention this to your engineering Datasat contact. I will be having the UK main disti Neil @ Genesis to mine soon and I'll be sure to mention this to him and see what the score is.
post #583 of 1465
Thanks I will follow up when I receive an update.
post #584 of 1465
Have another demo of RS20 set up in NYC on the weekend of the audio show. Datasat will be present for this one. I'm anticipating an exciting demo... we'll see.
post #585 of 1465
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Have another demo of RS20 set up in NYC on the weekend of the audio show. Datasat will be present for this one. I'm anticipating an exciting demo... we'll see.

Sounds good! (Pun not intended)
post #586 of 1465
Is anyone using the RS232 command set to control the RS20i via the RS232 port?
post #587 of 1465
I know Andy bone uses bitwise rs232 into his rs20i.

I am looking to get an RTI system of some kind so I can get a hard button remote to just adjust volume.
post #588 of 1465
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Originally Posted by multimedes View Post

Is anyone using the RS232 command set to control the RS20i via the RS232 port?

I use it. Are you having a specific problem with it?
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Best Regards,
Carl Huff
post #589 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Carl_Huff View Post

I use it. Are you having a specific problem with it?
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Carl Huff

What gain to you have using RS232 over IP Carl?
post #590 of 1465
Yes on the Prometheus install using amx.
post #591 of 1465
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Originally Posted by magicj1 View Post

What gain to you have using RS232 over IP Carl?

No gain. The command sets are identical.
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Best Regards,
Carl Huff
post #592 of 1465
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

Dirac is built in. So the msrp includes Dirac, but as mentioned you will need to get it calibrated or purchase a calibration kit. There is talk of a further expansion board to add more hdmi ins and outs. But as most use video processors this is why they opted for 1 out 4 in. Auro3d is looking like it will be implemented by the end of the year.

One hopes that some consumer audio and|or video content providers have a similar time frame in mind . . . otherwise playing the first 5 tracks of the "SOUVENIR" audio-only BD by TrondheimSolistene (link) "over and over" will likely become irritating to one's housemates rather quickly! biggrin.gif
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post #593 of 1465
I hope there will be more content. Whilst I like classical there is only so much I can bare.

I also hope auro will upmatrix any signal like neo and pl2z.

I'm installing all my front, side and VOG height channels as we speak. The only channel I'm not going for is height centre. If I find I need to install a height centre then ill do so once auro is up and running.
post #594 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Carl_Huff View Post

I use it. Are you having a specific problem with it?
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Best Regards,
Carl Huff

Yes I am able to communicate using the Putty Lan IP connection but cannot communicate using the PUTTY com port connection. Are you using IP or Comport?
The only reason I am testing with PUTTY is because I have written my AMX code but it also will not connect.
I have changed cables, tested with another piece of equipment which works but no joy with the RS20i. I do get garbage down the link when first powered on but no response from the commands.
Also to get the IP connection working I needed to leave the CR off as using PUTTY to enter the command you hit the enter key which itself is a CR. All commands then worked via IP.
Just to add I have tried all the obvious baud rate speeds from 9600-115K.
Edited by multimedes - 4/3/13 at 1:15pm
post #595 of 1465
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Yes on the Prometheus install using amx.
Peter, Are you using Netlinx?
post #596 of 1465
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

I also hope auro will upmatrix any signal like neo and pl2z.
Upmixing is built into Auro3D. Got to hear it first hand when I went to see 'Red Tails', which was the first movie encoded with Auro. Movie trailers that I had seen numerous times before suddenly had a wrap-around bubble of envelopment that extended above me. Since those trailers weren't Auro-encoded, I suspected there was some upmixing going on. When I got home later, I pulled up Auro's white paper, which confirmed they could upmix unencoded sources.
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

The only channel I'm not going for is height centre.
Good, because that is the single worst location that you can put a speaker. Psychoacoustically, you'd be better off using 2 speakers, spread at least 30 degrees from the centre line.
post #597 of 1465
Hi

Just a quick question. Is anybody using a video scaler in combination with their DataSat? DOes it really improve picture quality and processing? I am being offered a failry cheap DVDO iScan DUO to handle the picture side of things? do people feel this is necessary or is it just another box and distraction?

Thanks
post #598 of 1465
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Originally Posted by yapota View Post

Hi

Just a quick question. Is anybody using a video scaler in combination with their DataSat? DOes it really improve picture quality and processing? I am being offered a failry cheap DVDO iScan DUO to handle the picture side of things? do people feel this is necessary or is it just another box and distraction?

Thanks

This depends on your needs, plus if your Display does not have CMS capability?

The Duo has CMS capabilities which can be used with Chromapure for Auto Calibrate. It has 8 x HDMI inputs, and 2 x HDMI output's also 1 x HDMI Audio only output. I've always just sent the Audio to my processors. smile.gif
post #599 of 1465
I'm using a Lumagen XE-3D, but really mainly as an expensive switching device for sources since it doesn't touch blu-rays which are 90% of the material in my theater. It does process the Verizon FIOS TV signal to juice that up a bit. Notably the lumagen does have triggers, so it overcomes the lack of them on the Datasat , and I will admit to having a Darby Darblet in there too that does it's voodoo to all video signals.

I have learned from my days with an Anthem D2V that it really does pay to keep audio and video signal processing in separate dedicated boxes.
post #600 of 1465
That is quite an expensive switcher then! Why do you not use the CMS or autocal capabilities of the Lumagen with Calman or Chromapure?
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