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post #691 of 1465
Thread Starter 
Anyone out side of the US and England received their card yet?
post #692 of 1465
I am still waiting here in OZ - I was going to ask you the same question Dave.
post #693 of 1465
Hi

I recieved my card in Singapore nearly 2 months ago now.

Thanks
post #694 of 1465
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Hi

I recieved my card in Singapore nearly 2 months ago now.

Thanks

Hmmmm.... Interesting. I have a feeling we have been forgotten about.
post #695 of 1465
The cards would have been forwarded to your dealer. All authorised dealers should have received their cards by now.
post #696 of 1465
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Originally Posted by ceenhad View Post

The cards would have been forwarded to your dealer. All authorised dealers should have received their cards by now.
We got our AP20's before the RS20i was a consumer unit. A lot of us upgraded to the RS20i and hence the confusion from DataSat. I have already emailed them and they are working things out. We have serial numbers so there will be no problems.
post #697 of 1465
Thread Starter 
Can someone tell me if any of you overseas had to pay for shipping and import duties on your expansion card? I just received word that my card will be shipped, but I have to pay for import duties and shipping.
post #698 of 1465
I'm still waiting to hear back from Datasat about my card - I would hope that Datasat would cover the shipping etc (unless they have been charging the dealers for this costs as well). If I have to pay for shipping I am then hoping no duty is payable because the card cost is $0/provided free? I may argue the point that I purchased my unit prior to a local distributor/delaer having been established so perhaps I can be directly supported. But I can also understand/accept the poistion that they will supply the card to the US supplier of my unit and costs from that point are my dealer's/ my responsibility.
post #699 of 1465
Hi

I didnt have to pay any shipping or duty or installation. All of the costs are to be borne by Datasat according to my dealer.

Thanks
post #700 of 1465
Hi

just wanted to post an observation about the Datasat RS20i. I watched a documentary film called Searching for Sugarman. It is a documentary about a musician. I watched it on blu ray with Dirac enabled and then later with Dirac disabled. With the Dirac enabled the entire experience was absoultely sublime. The doucmentary's soundtrack are songs by the musician himself. The reproduction was absoultely brilliant. The soundstage was just perfect. You could pinpoint where the musician was standing and the relative positions of the instruments.

What was even more surprising was how controlled and balanced the sound was with Dirac switched off. The only thing I would say is that with Dirac switched off I needed to turn the volume of the subwoofer down as it was no longer as 'punchy' when Dirac was engaged. Other than that the Datasat sounded absoultely fantastic with the Dirac disabled. Over the coming weekend I shall try this with a couple of movies.

Thanks
post #701 of 1465
Yes I too watched this recently with my rs20i and no Dirac. Really good. Same goes for Samsara, with heights engaged there is a scene in a cathedral. Well it sounded like my ceiling were over 100 ft high.

But what has amazed me the most is live concerts on TV. Been watching all the Glastonbury coverage and its been simply stunning. From Seasick Steve to Chase and Status all the way to Chic, the ambience was fully emmersive and it really captured the power of the performances. Mind blowing.
post #702 of 1465
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Originally Posted by yapota View PostHi just wanted to post an observation about the Datasat RS20i. I watched a documentary film called Searching for Sugarman. It is a documentary about a musician. I watched it on blu ray with Dirac enabled and then later with Dirac disabled. With the Dirac enabled the entire experience was absoultely sublime. The doucmentary's soundtrack are songs by the musician himself. The reproduction was absoultely brilliant. The soundstage was just perfect. You could pinpoint where the musician was standing and the relative positions of the instruments.

What was even more surprising was how controlled and balanced the sound was with Dirac switched off. The only thing I would say is that with Dirac switched off I needed to turn the volume of the subwoofer down as it was no longer as 'punchy' when Dirac was engaged. Other than that the Datasat sounded absoultely fantastic with the Dirac disabled. Over the coming weekend I shall try this with a couple of movies.

Thanks

Whoa this is my dream pre/pro if only they would come down to earth :)

post #703 of 1465
Does anyone know if you can specify the frequency range to which Dirac can apply (eg. EQing just the frequencies below 250Hz)?
post #704 of 1465
Isn't that handled by the crossover you choose in Dirac. You specify the bandwidth of the correction after the samples are taken- when you adjust measured to target curves.

Dan
post #705 of 1465
I was thinking that would be how to do it but also thought it may simply cut all signals above the crossover point - I will give it ago and see what happens
post #706 of 1465
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I was thinking that would be how to do it but also thought it may simply cut all signals above the crossover point - I will give it ago and see what happens

Don't forget Stephen, two of Diracs core features are its ability to a) correct impulse response errors caused by reflections, and b) correct the phase alignment of all the speaker drivers. You would obviously be missing out on the majority of these if you only had Dirac process up to 250Hz.

- Gareth
post #707 of 1465
Thx Gareth - I just wanted to load it as another Dirac file and see how it sounded but am now having trouble retrieving previous files so that I can modify them - only spent a couple of minutes trying however so will need to play around a bit more.
post #708 of 1465
Well just got back from a brilliant eye opening afternoon at Genesis UK. Was truly great to put some faces to online names. Big hello to those that attended and a massive thanks to Neil for taking the time to explain the systems so well.

First we were given a brief introduction to Auro 3D and how it is going to be implemented. I shall not comment too much on this as its a bit of a mine field at the mo and I will probably miss quote. But Auro 3D is very real and will soon be upon us! But, I have to say, with Neo X properly implemented it can sound almost as good. But I'll get on to that.

The first room we were taken to was the Ascot suite. This is build around the idea of it being more like what the every day living room could be like. So not a dedicated cinema room as such, but still a super impressive room.

All powered from of course the great RS20i and a pair of RA7300 power amps biamping all 7 main channels.

The speakers are the big Wisdom audios, and super impressive they are too. Together with the Datasat pro and amps it delivers possibly some of the most detailed performance I have ever heard. And a seriously fast attack. Really impressive stuff.

But what intrigued and impressed me the most of this room was the subs. Just 2 small 7 inch subs. I still can not get over the room shaking abilities of these two subs in the really fairly large room. The chairs were shaking nicely. Certainly has made me change my thoughts that a large cone is required for such bass shaking action.

The PJ used in this room what the Cineversum Black wing 2 and very nice it was too. But I shan't comment too much on this as its taking the thread off topic.

We then moved into the ICE suite. And boy was it cool. I mean seriously cool. From the very first part of the room. The door way, you are wowed as the doors open with a hiss from the air lock system.

Inside you are greeted by a beautifully designed room with seating in 2 rows to accomodate 5 people. The seats were extremely comfortable.

This room is again powered off the wonderful RS20i along with Barcos beta Auro 3D decoder / up mixer. This room runs a full 15.4 Pro Audio Technologies horn loaded speaker system. With their respective matching ICE powered DSP pro audio amps. The projector was also something super special and super expensive being Barcos DCI 4K special line projector. On a 4m Stewart Directors Choice DC100 2.0 screen the picture was just breath taking, so pin sharp. Def no need for 3d picture here. But it's the sound, that to me I'm interested in.

First we were given a selection of various films, I will not go thru them all but they were mainly played in NEO x using a 9.4 configuration. Standard 7.x plus front heights. And wow, the Ascot suite is good, but this is to a level one would not think possible. It's just so immersive. You can not locate any speaker. Just an all encompassing surround of sound.

The film clip that stood out for me was that of Jurassic Park. The scene where the TRex breaks thru the fence and destroys the cars ( and the poor bloke on the toilet ). This was, well, shocking. The rain felt like it was really coming from the sky, from all around. I could have sworn rear heights were running, but they weren't. And the bass in this room is so epic. When the TRex roars the whole place shakes. So much energy but also so pin sharp and fast at reference levels. This can only be achieved by seriously high quality equipment and room and electrical calibration by someone who seriously knows their onions.

We then moved on the the super exciting Auro 3D demo. We were played some native Auro content and some upmatrixed content. All giving yet another level of immersion that you just didn't feel was possible.

One particular dem was of a city scene in Amsterdam. Switching between typical 7.x layout and them full Auro heights engaged. With Auro on you were no longer in the ICE room, it felt as tho we were actually in the scene we were watching. The ambience was so real I find it hard to describe. Scary almost.

Then a bombardment of film clips, from cartoons to the latest Auro flick, Elysium. All super super stunning. Some native auro and some upmatrixed. It's quite hard to tell the difference between upmatrixed and native content. That just goes to show how good the upmatrix system is.

But after all that, to me, probably the most impressive immersive dem was that of Jurassic park in NEO X. Yes the Auro stuff had more of a seamless performance, I was just so shocked to hear a clip that I have been listening to for nearly 2 decades from various mediums sound so different and, well, real.

Hats off to Neil and co for all the work he has done, and bigger hats off to the guys at Datasat for making such an amazing processor that I am so proud to be an owner of.
Edited by djnickuk - 7/5/13 at 1:27am
post #709 of 1465
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For those of you without your cards yet, I suggest you email Chris Neumann the Senior VP Sales at DataSat. I have mentioned this thread. I have also expressed my concerns about about how we owners are going to be charged shipping and duty on the cards as they are sent out. I strongly advise you not allow this to happen, considering the money invested in this product and what was promised to us when we first bought the product. Some overseas members may be hit with these charges.

This is his email,

chris.neumann@datasat.com

Dave
post #710 of 1465
Thx Dave - I'll send Chris an email.
post #711 of 1465
But Dave why is your dealer not handling this for you? It beggars belief that you seem to be left to sort this out yourself.

Unless you bought direct from Datasat I think it is unfair to criticse them for supplying the upgrade FOC apart from shipping.
post #712 of 1465
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Originally Posted by ceenhad View Post

But Dave why is your dealer not handling this for you? It beggars belief that you seem to be left to sort this out yourself.

Unless you bought direct from Datasat I think it is unfair to criticse them for supplying the upgrade FOC apart from shipping.

Some of us don't have dealers, we were the early adopters, before the consumer RS20I came to fruition. I am guessing that no dealer wants that burden? Are you willing to to take those customers on?
post #713 of 1465
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

Some of us don't have dealers, we were the early adopters, before the consumer RS20I came to fruition. I am guessing that no dealer wants that burden? Are you willing to to take those customers on?

Did you buy direct from Datasat then Dave? I guess its quite unusual for manufacturers to sell directly in this market, I'm sure it'll all get sorted for you.
post #714 of 1465
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Originally Posted by gdavies09031977 View Post

Did you buy direct from Datasat then Dave? I guess its quite unusual for manufacturers to sell directly in this market, I'm sure it'll all get sorted for you.
Essentially yes, some of us have bought direct.
post #715 of 1465
OOoOOOooooo.....

GOOD breakout cable.. I will be installing tomorrow. THIS is a PROPER cable for the datasat level of quality.

I will report back.

post #716 of 1465
Looking forward to the report back Chris - what was the price of the cable?
post #717 of 1465
Nick, did you hear any normal program material so as to separate the effects of the high end hardware from the Auro processing?
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Originally Posted by djnickuk View Post

It's quite hard to tell the difference between upmatrixed and native content. That just goes to show how good the upmatrix system is.

That's great news, if I'm understanding correctly - does upmatrixed mean Auro post-processing applied to say, regular BD soundtracks?
post #718 of 1465
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

For those of you without your cards yet, I suggest you email Chris Neumann the Senior VP Sales at DataSat. I have mentioned this thread. I have also expressed my concerns about about how we owners are going to be charged shipping and duty on the cards as they are sent out. I strongly advise you not allow this to happen, considering the money invested in this product and what was promised to us when we first bought the product. Some overseas members may be hit with these charges.

This is his email,

chris.neumann@datasat.com

Dave

Dave you should not have to pay import duty on the board if it is issued free of charge.
When the board is shipped you should instruct Datasat or your dealer to put on the shipping documents that this board is a "FREE OF CHARGE WARRANTY UPGRADE" and that any costs stated should be for insurance purposes only.
On the cost of shipping that is between you and Datasat or your dealer but we are only talking about US$150-200 unless you want a guaranteed 24hr delivery. But as you say the amount of cost already incurred for the unit itself does bias ones thinking that shipping should be included.
Des
post #719 of 1465
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Nick, did you hear any normal program material so as to separate the effects of the high end hardware from the Auro processing?
That's great news, if I'm understanding correctly - does upmatrixed mean Auro post-processing applied to say, regular BD soundtracks?

Hi Noah,

Yes as I mentioned, my favorite clip was Jurassic park played back from KScape system straight into RS20i and rendered thru NEO X. The auro decoder / upmatrixer is a simple pc using RME input / output cards. No super high end equipment really.

I don't think we listened to any BD content thru the auro system, it was all streamed from the Barco DCI system. Some being native auro content and others being standard 5.1/7.1 content.

One can, by the way, get Auro now via the AP24 but you have to purchase a full DCI compliant system to do so. Essentially using the ap24 as purely an auro decoder / upmatrixer and connect via aes/ebu into the RS20i. An expensive route but it one can afford a full DCI compliant system then the addition of an ap24 is probably not that bad on the bank balance. I believe the rrp on the ap24 is the same as the RS20i.
post #720 of 1465
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Originally Posted by Chris_Stephens View Post

OOoOOOooooo.....

GOOD breakout cable.. I will be installing tomorrow. THIS is a PROPER cable for the datasat level of quality.

I will report back.


Looks interesting Chris. Maybe its just the photo angle, but it looks like there are only 6 x XLR's rather than 8?
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