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post #871 of 1468
it so the base management recognizes all 4 subs, two subs to the left and two to the right.agkiBt
post #872 of 1468
Hi all,

I was hoping someone could help me and tell me if I need to buy the Dirac Live kit from Datasat or am I able to purchase it from the Dirac website? I am about to pull the trigger on the RS20i but have not ordered the installers kit. Struggling to pay AUD$3K for it when I can go as low as $1K for a basic mic upto $2K with the USBPre 2.0 usb amp and a decent mic. Your input will be greatly valued

Thanks
Arthur
post #873 of 1468
Thread Starter 
I am not sure if they are selling the RS20i's without the Dirac Live kit. Those of us who did not were grandfathered in with the AP20. Maybe the dealer who you are buying from can shed some light on this?
post #874 of 1468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by klinlike View Post

it so the base management recognizes all 4 subs, two subs to the left and two to the right.agkiBt
Base management can recognize as many subs as you need. You could run 30 subs if you needed to. I will have mine running 8 subs. In this case, I found the best way was to run all subs on a single channel and calculate the delays for individual sub and then run Dirac live on the subs as a single entity.
post #875 of 1468
Hmmm mine is not coming the Dirac Live kit................. I have access to a kit to use for installation but wanted to see how I could go about in ordering and organising one for myself too.
post #876 of 1468
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Originally Posted by Interleave View Post

Hi all,

I was hoping someone could help me and tell me if I need to buy the Dirac Live kit from Datasat or am I able to purchase it from the Dirac website? I am about to pull the trigger on the RS20i but have not ordered the installers kit. Struggling to pay AUD$3K for it when I can go as low as $1K for a basic mic upto $2K with the USBPre 2.0 usb amp and a decent mic. Your input will be greatly valued

Thanks
Arthur

Arthur --

I'd strongly suggest you go with the kit -- I went the way you suggested and put together my own kit when I originally had the AP20 - and it was a bit of a nightmare getting all the equipment to talk with each other. There are also many "oh, by the ways..." involved in the Dirac process which are greatly minimized with the kit.

It was a very frustrating experience trying to do it the cheaper way, and in the end the hassle was just not worth the savings IMO.

Good Luck!

Mike
post #877 of 1468
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Originally Posted by schlitzie View Post

Arthur --

I'd strongly suggest you go with the kit -- I went the way you suggested and put together my own kit when I originally had the AP20 - and it was a bit of a nightmare getting all the equipment to talk with each other. There are also many "oh, by the ways..." involved in the Dirac process which are greatly minimized with the kit.

It was a very frustrating experience trying to do it the cheaper way, and in the end the hassle was just not worth the savings IMO.

Good Luck!

Mike

Thanks Mike didnt want to hear that! smile.gif My main issue is the software I know the amp and mic that is in the kit and can source those but I wasn't and am not aware if the kit includes a different version of the Dirac Live software. I know it needs a usb stick / dongle to function and cannot figure out it that is what you get when you buy it online. It is a risk I know and should just swallow the pill if I want my own kit.
post #878 of 1468
The kit includes the dongle too, which is absolutely required.
Dirac is fairly easy to run - the hardest part by far is getting the equipment to communicate. Going with Datasat-sourced hardware makes life a lot less stressful. It sucks it is so expensive, but you get what you pay for!
post #879 of 1468

Wait, the Dirac Live Installer kit is ~ 2800 USD?!

post #880 of 1468
Unfortunately, the prices in Australia are ridiculous. Datasat are loosing a lot of local customers down here. I had 4 people on board to do "a group buy" and the guys did not move to get a bit off the price...By the way I am still extremely happy with Trinnov and I still think is a better value than the Datasat...
post #881 of 1468
Here it is, the latest Trinnov review by one of our prominent co-members: http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-62
post #882 of 1468
I'm not quite sure how relevant that is to this to this thread unless you are being a troll? . . . Oh wait a minute . . You are!!
Edited by Wookii - 9/19/13 at 1:14pm
post #883 of 1468
You're welcome
post #884 of 1468
Auro 3D has been announced for the RS20i and is expected Q1 2014.
post #885 of 1468
post #886 of 1468
slow server - double post!
post #887 of 1468
It's great that this can finally be made fully public. This is great news hey!

DataSat keeping up with their upgrade path promises!
post #888 of 1468
Wow! Looks like DATASAT is in a league of its own in SSPs!

DATASAT and perhaps the new cheaper STORM AUDIO are the new TIER 1 SSPs. AURO looks very cool!
post #889 of 1468
Yes Auro is indeed extremely cool. You really need to take a trip to our sunny shores and visit Neil's Ice Room. Experience Auro 15.4 for yourself.
post #890 of 1468
Will Datasat have a strong competitor with Storm Audio SSP 16? It will be very difficult to fight Datasat quality... At least for the looks, Datasat is the winner!
post #891 of 1468
Are the majority of speakers used as the extra channels in these high speaker count, like 13.1 mentioned in that press release, meant to be pretty small speakers in the home? My room is a little over 16 x 27 x 10 and I cannot see how I could get many more speakers in the room and still have it look like a custom theater. Maybe if they were all out in the room and visible.... Just haven't wrapped my head around how practical this is in a typical, even high end "designed" home theater. Especially with speakers like mine (Seaton Catalysts).
post #892 of 1468
Our demo room is all pro audio and 100% hidden.
post #893 of 1468
Do you have any kind of diagram, even crude, you could share for me to get a feel of how that all comes together? How many speakers?
post #894 of 1468
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Wow! Looks like DATASAT is in a league of its own in SSPs!

DATASAT and perhaps the new cheaper STORM AUDIO are the new TIER 1 SSPs. AURO looks very cool!

Storm Audio doesn't have digital inputs (apart of the HDMI), no Room Correction and I am not sure about upgradability....It will not work for me...Datasat is still on the top of my list...
post #895 of 1468
Neil

What Pro Audio speakers are you using for surrounds and heights, etc? I'm wondering if I could get away with the 26im's vs the 12s? So many speakers!

Awesome. THX!
post #896 of 1468
Did anyone else hear the Datasat demo at CEDIA?

Interested in opinions here.

I am sure this unit has to sound A LOT better than the CEDIA demo. It was awful! The soundstage was "pinched", the bass was WAY out of control, in general, the group I went in to listen to it with were extremely underwhelmed.

Big Badda Boom! No quality at all whatsoever!

Still on the lookout for a better pre pro - haven't found it yet. Still looking...
post #897 of 1468
I was curious myself. There was one with Triad... Love to hear some opinions of the demo.
post #898 of 1468
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Originally Posted by PeterS View Post

Did anyone else hear the Datasat demo at CEDIA?

Interested in opinions here.

I am sure this unit has to sound A LOT better than the CEDIA demo. It was awful! The soundstage was "pinched", the bass was WAY out of control, in general, the group I went in to listen to it with were extremely underwhelmed.

Big Badda Boom! No quality at all whatsoever!

Still on the lookout for a better pre pro - haven't found it yet. Still looking...

Wow Peter. Was this demo room with Triad? Once again this goes back to the issue of the complexity to properly setup this processor. I'm sure it sounds great based on the feedback of current owners but it seems to be a crap shoot.
post #899 of 1468
Was it the new Triad Reference speakers (~$50K).

It's funny how these Datasat comments stretch the gamut in terms of quality. Perhaps the unit is great itself but DIRAC is not?

How many speakers were employed?
post #900 of 1468
It was an 11.2 system I believe with the Triads.

Yeah, I am not knocking the processor, really can't tell from the demo. The demo was horrible! Though I heard good demos elsewhere, so there was no limitation on Datasat.

However, it is also not the Dirac, though they are still using the older version which processes at 48kHz - they are planning an upgrade sometime next year (from what I was told). Dirac properly used is fantastic, and by far my favorite room correction system to date - so I doubt it was that.

The engineers I spoke to at the show were not very knowledgeable either. The smart guys must have stayed home.

I did spend some time with Theta and the new PR3/Dirac and liked what I heard. Then again it was two-channel and on the Aerials.

Would need to hear more from the Datasat to comment, though I did think their choice of material to show was also REALLY bad. It started out with a very poor "pop" recording which was horribly compressed in dynamic range. The piece from Prometheus was horrible. The piece from Skyfall was better, though the bass management of the system was really way off and very poorly integrated with the other speakers.

I think their design philosophy was fine, though the execution a bit ham-handed.

Just my 2 cents from a 15 minute demo and 20 minute discussion with the engineers at the show.
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