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post #31 of 73
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Originally Posted by batutta View Post

It looks to me like the same orange color shift as Raiders of the Lost Ark. Maybe someone at Lucasfilm has a miscalibrated monitor.
Maybe so....eek.gif

It took awhile around here for people to become critical of orange skin on Europeans.
I can recall some around here tried to convince everyone this is the way old films were supposed to look and so therefore, it was a good thing.rolleyes.gif
Yep, orange face paint = GOOD
Awwww, those were the days when this forum was Internet Central for Craziness....tongue.gif
Edited by oink - 3/7/13 at 2:31pm
post #32 of 73
Not seeing much teal but I'm at work. I like the level of detail, however.
post #33 of 73
I can definitely see Orange & Teal + brightness boost, also I suspect it's slightly scrubbed. The dvd color grading while over saturated is more appealing to me.
post #34 of 73
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Originally Posted by batutta View Post

It looks to me like the same orange color shift as Raiders of the Lost Ark. Maybe someone at Lucasfilm has a miscalibrated monitor.

Just posted this elsewhere, but yeah... it has a similar dusty-brown look, just like the new Raiders restoration (it's also framed down slightly just like Raiders). Not necessarily complaining... just pointing it out. Look at the color of these cloudy skies in the two films:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?&cap1=20072&cap2=20062&art=full&image=1&cID=1575&action=1&x=&y=&gamma=&lossless=1#vergleich

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=14353&cap2=14337&art=full&image=12&cID=1273&action=1&lossless=1#vergleich

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's the work of the same colorist, Lou Levinson at LaserPacific (now Technicolor).
post #35 of 73
Looks like it's been scrubbed, brightened and retimed, and in some shots the level of detail over the dvd isn't phenomenal. as a matter of fact, the level of detail seems to be less to me in some areas, like this one. Unless I'm just not seeing something correctly.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?art=part&x=634&y=236&action=1&image=7&cID=1575&cap1=20078&cap2=20068&lossless=1#vergleich
post #36 of 73
Of course it was retimed, that's obvious. But how can you compare new color timing (probably supervised by Ron Howard) to old, crappy DVD?

Since when brightness, level of details, color timing etc. of DVD is referential?
post #37 of 73
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

Of course it was retimed, that's obvious. But how can you compare new color timing (probably supervised by Ron Howard) to old, crappy DVD? Since when brightness, level of details, color timing etc. of DVD is referential?

I sure as sh!t know that Joanne's hair in this film was always brilliant orange/red, not green/brown.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=20078&cap2=20068&art=full&image=7&cID=1575&action=1&lossless=1#vergleich
post #38 of 73
And they're orange/red, at least on my monitor.
post #39 of 73
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

I sure as sh!t know that Joanne's hair in this film was always brilliant orange/red, not green/brown.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=20078&cap2=20068&art=full&image=7&cID=1575&action=1&lossless=1#vergleich

Um, maybe I'm missing something, but in the DVD caps Whalley's hair is green/brown. In the BD caps, it's brilliant orange/red.
post #40 of 73
That's why I posted what I did...
post #41 of 73
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

That's why I posted what I did...

I think I was confused as to your intent. Initially, when I read your comment I thought you were complaining that the BD color-timing was innaccurate. I had gotten my Internet hate-on ready to unleash my fury at the BD transfer, only to find out it looks a helluva sight better than the DVD orange tint be damned. wink.gif
post #42 of 73
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That's why I posted what I did...
Looks like there was some misunderstanding here. Sorry smile.gif
post #43 of 73
The worst is the shot of Kilmer in the cage. The blue sky becomes a dirty brown on the Blu Ray.
post #44 of 73
I forgot what the theatrical release looked like, but I actually prefer the duller colors of the DVD.....However, I must buy this movie on BLU...Can't......help....it........... biggrin.gif
post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

I forgot what the theatrical release looked like, but I actually prefer the duller colors of the DVD.....However, I must buy this movie on BLU...Can't......help....it........... biggrin.gif
Me too.
I haven't seen it in so long, I am curious how well it holds up.wink.gif
post #46 of 73
I went over to BLU-RAY.com and saw some 1080P screenshots.....I have to back up my statement, this looks to be very promising!!!
post #47 of 73
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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

I think I was confused as to your intent. Initially, when I read your comment I thought you were complaining that the BD color-timing was innaccurate. I had gotten my Internet hate-on ready to unleash my fury at the BD transfer, only to find out it looks a helluva sight better than the DVD orange tint be damned. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

Looks like there was some misunderstanding here. Sorry smile.gif
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

The worst is the shot of Kilmer in the cage. The blue sky becomes a dirty brown on the Blu Ray.

Yeah, I was referring to the fact that I like seeing her hair the "right" color now. But don't lump me in with liking all of it... sorry to let you down. That same shot suffers from some clipping due to contrast boosting as does this one. There's no doubt that the rest of the color is totally off as well. Replacing white with beige and bright orange isn't doing it any favors. You can argue that the DVD isn't accurate, but when the DVD, VHS, and trailers all look similar, it seems obvious to me that the new color is wrong. That's what the evidence before me indicates, anyway.

The detail is a revelation, however. I'll probably buy it when it gets under $10.
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

Of course it was retimed, that's obvious. But how can you compare new color timing (probably supervised by Ron Howard) to old, crappy DVD?

Since when brightness, level of details, color timing etc. of DVD is referential?

Since when has DVD not been referential in this forum?? But I get ya. When a dvd makes a BD look good it's 'referential' but when it makes a BD look bad it is then 'not referential' and of course when another BD/other HD source makes a new BD look bad it is again 'not referential' and the first site to show something is wrong with a BD it is once more 'Not referential'... Excuses abound for the cherry pickers.
post #49 of 73
Watched the Blu-ray of this one tonight. It's literally been over a decade since I last watched this on dvd (which I still have) and maybe only the 4th time I've watched the film straight through since it's original release (I did see it when it was first released in theaters).

This new release has some *selective* color changes towards the warm side done to a good deal of the movie, most notable in the first half. However, especially the later half of the movie doesn't look as ... well, orange - the lake sequence and the sequence with the chase down the snowy mountain all look perfectly balanced with saturated deep blue skies and "white" snowscapes. So clearly, this wasn't just some arbitrary filter on one setting (desert sunset?) left to run through the entire color timing process.

However, perhaps more problematic, relatively speaking, is the wildly varying quality of the source itself in the last half hour, especially noticeable right after the big finale of the magic battle. At times during a scene from cut to cut, it really goes from near dvd quality color crushed and grainy image and back to very nice quality and stable color (though nothing as rough as the out-take footage). And it really didn't seem to be an issue due to optical effects that you'd see in a movie like say, effects work in Close Encounters or any Ray Harryhausen stop-motion movie. That said, these two points are really only small distractions compared to how decent the overall film looks on this release. Most of the movie has fairly impressive detail and overall I'd say it's a significant upgrade over the old dvd releases and well worth picking up.
post #50 of 73
Thanx for the review.smile.gif
post #51 of 73
Thanks Partyslammer....regardless of any 'small distractions', I am definitely picking this one up. I was 14 when it came to theaters wink.gif
post #52 of 73
Skipped briefly through the film to check it out. Frankly, it looks like someone smeared the transfer with poo. The sound is great, though, and it was only 13 bucks at Wal-Mart.
post #53 of 73
why would you just skip thru the film? I personally would just watch the entire film before giving my full .02
post #54 of 73
I wanted to check it out, and make sure my copy was fine. Watched about 10 minutes of it total. I watched it a million times when I was a kid so it's not a new experience. I want to watch it in full with wife and my daughter, who's never seen it.
post #55 of 73
Watched it through with the wife and kid. I revise my statement. It doesn't look like it was smeared with poo. It looks like it was filmed through a glass of warm piss...Enjoyed it nonetheless. Man, what the hell happened to Val Kilmer? He pretty much makes the movie. It's funny that out of that whole cast the actor with the most relevant acting career these days is Warwick Davis!
post #56 of 73
Warm piss....sounds like a Raider's transfer wink.gif Anyway, I got this for my B-Day, and I'm looking forward to getting my screen from repair on Tuesday. I want to save it for my scope screen...(Duh!)......... eek.gif
post #57 of 73
I have to reiterate how fantastic the sound was. Awesome three dimensionality. Hearing James Horner's music in that fidelity was glorious.
post #58 of 73
that's good to know that the sound is great. I bought this soundtrack on CD when the movie came out. One of Horner's best IMO........
post #59 of 73
What's great too is that the music isn't buried under an avalanche of sound effects like a lot of modern soundtracks. The balance is perfect.
post #60 of 73
wow, I thought this thread would be A LOT more active. I suppose the younger generation (35 and below) and the older generation (40+) doesn't see the fun in this film? Oh well, can't wait to see this when my screen comes in tomorrow. I'll give my 'impressions' in a few days.....
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