Need Help with Sound Quality - Page 2

I don't think it exists. But if it does and you find it: I'll be happy to help you interpret it.
Please note that incomplete information (such as on-axis performance without off-axis performance) can yield wrong results.

Actually: You want to know based on objective criteria. Aggregated opinions of others *are* statistics.

How many times does it have to be stated...to the best of a lot of the poster who were stupid enough to get involved in this thread, the systems you have listed have NOT been tested...so there ARE NO MEASUREMENT (at least not published).
Here is an idea...buy one, buy the proper testing equipment and test it your self. Then post the results. You will help the next guy not have to go through your frustration

Here's the problem in answering your question in the definitive manner you're looking for (without getting too technical).

• Not all speaker manufacturers, even some of the high end "audiophile" ones you may be familiar with, publish measurements.
• Many of those that do don't publish enough or the right measurements to draw an an actual conclusion based on measurements available.
• A good number of measurements that are published haven't stood up to independent analysis
• Producing the set of measurements that would be comprehensive enough to become the sole decision point isn't cost practical for the speakers in your price range, so they generally don't exist.
• Your personal preference may be for a speaker that isn't flat, particularly given your room and the impact it will have on audio reproduction.
• My idea of what's best is only really relevant to me and the room that I would use the speakers in.

As others have suggested, price and name aren't good technical specs. If you went by measurements alone, Wilson would struggle to convince you to buy their products.

Have you considered headphones instead? The right $50 pair of cans will almost certainly have better SQ than your choices. Otherwise, flip a coin on the speakers on your list and then spend some quality time listening to higher end speakers for a potential future purchase.

The guy gave you an honest opinion and then followed it up with some good advice, whether you appreciate it or not.

This thread is becoming more about your rude and abrasive attitude and less about the speakers you're looking to purchase. IMO, the $50 would be better spent towards counseling, but YMMV.

Can't say I didn't try. You got the "definitive answer" to your question - sorry it wasn't the one you want.

I'm done. I certainly won't be wasting any more time on you.

It's 50$. The genius gets positve reviews at several sites by users. It is a popular buy. There is no other info to go on. Buy the genius.

When I was at college all I worried about was pu**y and final exams. Get some perspective.

You are becoming the troll now..... careful.

It isn't. I can look at a sheet of data and know just what the speaker sounds like, just as one can look at sheet music and play a song that they've never heard before. But just as a non-musician can't make heads or tails of sheet music neither can someone with no engineering chops make heads or tails of a data sheet. And, while sheet music for almost every song ever written is readily available, the required data for loudspeaker analysis by and large is not.

The answer to your ? about the best 2.1 system is exactly what you've stated you don't want... someone else's opinion. Good luck in your search.

Dan: I am going to suggest you take it down a notch. No one is trolling your thread. You have to understand the audience at AVS....90% of the members here are home theater hobbyist...that doesn't mean that everyone is spending a 100k on the HT set up...but it does mean that most ppl are focused on the home theater enviroment vs desk top computer speakers.

The other thing to keep in mind is ppl are taking time out of their day (free time) to read what you written (and in most cases what others have written) and type in a response....a favor to you if you will. It may not be the answer you are looking for, but in most cases it's done from a pt of being helpful/providing information.

If it doesn't meet your needs, it doesn't meet your needs, but responding in a terse or negative manner is not appropriate.

If you start off with the assumption that "no one is obligated to respond" I think you'll view responses in a different light. You are relying on the kindness of strangers to take time out of their day to help. The sooner you remember that, that better you'll function in our community.

Danny - deep breath.... I can see why you are frustrated but you aren't getting anywhere like this either.

Ok, when it comes to judging speakers by the measurements and specs, you are fighting a couple things. One, published measurements
and specs for speakers are largely manipulated, biased, and sometimes just not true. the "spec sheet" is usually created by the marketing
department and not the engineers. When you get to the "pro" audio stuff is usually where this changes because the people buying this gear
rely on the specs for business reasons and aren't amused when the product doesn't work as advertised, and subsequently go elsewhere
for their future orders.

Two, even if the measurements were accurate, they don't define what the "best" speakers are. There are a lot of traits speakers can have that
rate differently to different people therefore making "best" just about impossible. Great bass important to you? The loudest? The smallest?

I hate car analogies. Here's one anyway. Road and Track test a Lexus vs. a BMW. There's a whole page of measurements. Say the BMW
is faster, corners at a higher load, and has a better braking distance. The Lexus has a bigger trunk, lower noise in the cabin, and better fuel
economy. Which car is better? I guess it depends on which measurements mean more to you.

As to your Wilson speakers example, you are getting into things like automotive type paint jobs, overkill construction and really expensive
parts weather they make an audible difference or not. Most of them don't have terribly good measurements but many people love them.
You want to use an honest yardstick on this business, and I don't blame you, but you just cant. The "answer" you want isn't available.

I realize this doesn't necessarily help you, I just want to show you why you're running into a wall here.

If you want some advice in the 50 dollar range, here's mine. Find a nice used set of Klipsch pro-media 2.1. They pump out bass and get
real loud without breaking up and hold up pretty well as long as you don't mangle the cable.
If it's got to be out of the three choices listed, use design instead of specs. Biggest woofer, biggest amp, most drivers. Avoid things like
down firing mid ranges. The less cute it looks,and the more it looks like a speaker, the better the chances are of it sounding good.