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post #241 of 321
I maintain GDT has yet to make a great film. PR is my favorite of his so far. I think I'd love his Hobbit too.
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Don't be afraid of the dark or something...cool.gif
Except the walls...they hurt.

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I maintain GDT has yet to make a great film. PR is my favorite of his so far. I think I'd love his Hobbit too.
FWIW, I think PL is his "masterpiece."
post #243 of 321
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I maintain GDT has yet to make a great film. PR is my favorite of his so far. I think I'd love his Hobbit too.
Ever see Cronos? It's right up there with Pan's Labyrinth. A a very timely film to watch around October. smile.gif
post #244 of 321
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Ever see Cronos? It's right up there with Pan's Labyrinth. A a very timely film to watch around October. smile.gif

Thought it was boring. I like the Hellboy stuff. Don Be Afraid Of The Dark was good. PL was good. Same for PR. All good none great. PR was on the edge of greatness for what it was. A B movie in AAA suit. We need more of that.
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post #245 of 321
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Thought it was boring. I like the Hellboy stuff.
Agreed.
post #246 of 321
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Just finished up with the 2d version and what a blast! cool.gif This was one FUN powerhouse HT ride for A/V. Looking forward to giving the 3d version a spin tom or Thurs. Awesome blind buy IMO!
eek.gif Ok.
post #247 of 321
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PR was on the edge of greatness for what it was. A B movie in AAA suit. We need more of that.
No we don't, there is already plenty of crap out there. This was del Toro's worst effort bar none. Let's hope he can only do better from this point on.
post #248 of 321
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No we don't, there is already plenty of crap out there. This was del Toro's worst effort bar none. Let's hope he can only do better from this point on.

Like I said a thousand times he has yet to make a great movie. Just because errrrrrbody likes him doesn't mean anything.

There's nothing wrong with making a B movie. Hell, this whole forum is complaining about all the A stuff nonstop. I've seen plenty of B films that were many times better than the big Hollywood shows.
post #249 of 321
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Like I said a thousand times he has yet to make a great movie. Just because errrrrrbody likes him doesn't mean anything.

I would say Pan's Labyrinth is a great A movie. I would also say that Hellboy is a great B movie. I don't know enough about his Spanish speaking movies to rate any of them.
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No we don't, there is already plenty of crap out there. This was del Toro's worst effort bar none. Let's hope he can only do better from this point on.

I actually liked Pacific Rim quite a bit more than the Hellboy films.

The more of these polarized comments I read, the more I think you just have to "get it" to enjoy it. I don't care for goofy comedies (think Austin Powers). Obviously tons of people really enjoy them, but I just don't see the humor most of the time. It's not the movie's fault; it's just that I don't "get it."
post #251 of 321
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I actually liked Pacific Rim quite a bit more than the Hellboy films.

The more of these polarized comments I read, the more I think you just have to "get it" to enjoy it. I don't care for goofy comedies (think Austin Powers). Obviously tons of people really enjoy them, but I just don't see the humor most of the time. It's not the movie's fault; it's just that I don't "get it."

Giant robots beating the crap out of stuff is something "I get."
post #252 of 321
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I would say Pan's Labyrinth is a great A movie. I would also say that Hellboy is a great B movie. I don't know enough about his Spanish speaking movies to rate any of them.

I agree that Pan's Labyrinth is a masterpiece. It's the best thing del Toro has done, by far. That said, I thought Pacific Rim was a reasonably entertaining summer blockbuster, although not much more. I liked Charlie Hunnam and most of the rest of del Toro's ensemble cast a lot. On a few occasions the film was genuinely moving but there were too few of those moments. Saw the 2D version in the theater and gave it 7 Stars out of 10 but probably won't bother to either rent or buy the BD.
post #253 of 321
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I would say Pan's Labyrinth is a great A movie. I would also say that Hellboy is a great B movie.
Agreed.

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That said, I thought Pacific Rim was a reasonably entertaining summer blockbuster, although not much more. I liked Charlie Hunnam and most of the rest of del Toro's ensemble cast a lot. On a few occasions the film was genuinely moving but there were too few of those moments. Saw the 2D version in the theater and gave it 7 Stars out of 10 but probably won't bother to either rent or buy the BD.
I was expecting more from GDT and felt letdown by PR.
It seems very much a money grab from a guy with plenty of talent.
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Agreed.
I was expecting more from GDT and felt letdown by PR.
It seems very much a money grab from a guy with plenty of talent.

Despite concluding that it was an above average action film, Pacific Rim largely disappointed me to. Thanks to his riveting performances on Sons of Anarchy, I have become a big Charlie Hunnam fan. Add to that del Toro's acknowledged talent as a filmmaker, and I felt let down by the film.
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Jaegers don't cry. smile.gif
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I agree that Pan's Labyrinth is a masterpiece. It's the best thing del Toro has done, by far. That said, I thought Pacific Rim was a reasonably entertaining summer blockbuster, although not much more. I liked Charlie Hunnam and most of the rest of del Toro's ensemble cast a lot. On a few occasions the film was genuinely moving but there were too few of those moments. Saw the 2D version in the theater and gave it 7 Stars out of 10 but probably won't bother to either rent or buy the BD.


PR was pure HT junk food IMO and from that perspective it kicked ass! cool.gif Sure, I can nitpick a few things technically like low end extension and a slightly front heavy mix, but the overall experience cranked up to ref is fantastic. Excellent 3d as well! I thought the movie was loads of fun! The section from 1:10 to 1:30 is 20 minutes of killer HT action! Looking forward to the sequel. If this film pretended to be something more than an A/V thrill ride, I could see picking apart various elements of the story, acting, etc....more, but it doesn't. It knows exactly what it is and does it very well. cool.gif
Edited by Toe - 10/18/13 at 1:12pm
post #257 of 321
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eek.gif Ok.


What can I say, I loved the HT experience. tongue.gif This is truly a shut your brain off, crank up the audio, put on the 3d glasses (or not if you don't like 3d) thrill ride and on that level, I thought it was a great film. Hell, I have watched it twice already since Tues (once in 2d and once in 3d) and I am planning another viewing this weekend!
post #258 of 321
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What can I say, I loved the HT experience. tongue.gif This is truly a shut your brain off, crank up the audio, put on the 3d glasses (or not if you don't like 3d) thrill ride and on that level, I thought it was a great film. Hell, I have watched it twice already since Tues (once in 2d and once in 3d) and I am planning another viewing this weekend!

Finally just got my copy in from Amazon! Can't wait to watch it again. Haven't seen it since I took my son to see it in the theater. We really enjoyed it there so I am excited to see it on my own system finally. Unfortunately I am still rockin my old Sony HS-51 720P PJ. rolleyes.gif Its not a bad projector and has served me quite well over the years but I see a 1080P PJ in my near future. To quote Rafiki from The Lion King: "It Is Time". biggrin.gif
post #259 of 321
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Finally just got my copy in from Amazon! Can't wait to watch it again. Haven't seen it since I took my son to see it in the theater. We really enjoyed it there so I am excited to see it on my own system finally. Unfortunately I am still rockin my old Sony HS-51 720P PJ. rolleyes.gif Its not a bad projector and has served me quite well over the years but I see a 1080P PJ in my near future. To quote Rafiki from The Lion King: "It Is Time". biggrin.gif

Yes!! Do it! smile.gif Right now is a GREAT time to jump into a 1080p machine as there are lots of great choices depending on your needs.
post #260 of 321
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If you have Directv, they will have some movies that will give you a FREE extended preview for about 10 min. So I watched it for this movie and it was really cool and could prove why this was more successful than the Transformers movies.

They showed an elaborate scene how these future pilots of these robots are like our modern day NBA/NFL stars. They go into battle with the monsters by entering the robots as 2 pilots in the brain like a 747 cockpit but a with a lot more detail and flair. It's the details such as this is what bring out the kids in all us whereas with Transformers, all we see are them just "morphing" from cars into giant robots. You have to get the audience involved 1st, it's kinda like foreplay. With Bay, it's just bang..right into the home run.

So I think if M Bay had thought out little details like this with his Transformers films it would make for much more quality movie making, pulling the audience and getting us involved into the story vs just BIG and LOUD elaborate stunts and explosions. Well, that was just the 1st ten min so...HOPEFULLY the rest of the movie will not disappoint when I get my copy from NF.
post #261 of 321
Don't say I didn't warn you, Z.wink.gif
post #262 of 321
Z, you would love this movie. It's a great popcorn flix from the good old days of Godzilla and transformers all wrapped up in one tidy package. Could be a bit shorter. I got tired of all the CGI after a while.

Think I need to go back to JVC again, at least for 2D.
post #263 of 321
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Like I said a thousand times he has yet to make a great movie. Just because errrrrrbody likes him doesn't mean anything.

There's nothing wrong with making a B movie. Hell, this whole forum is complaining about all the A stuff nonstop. I've seen plenty of B films that were many times better than the big Hollywood shows.
Just because you say something a thousand times it won't make it relevant or true. My point is and others said this already,he could have done this much better based on what as filmmaker have demonstrated it. Helboy was a B movie as well,and it was far superior,the sequel not so much.Mimic was a B movie,it was superior as well.He gets a huge budget and this is what he comes up with, a godjira homage? Not talking about a subject matter but rather how he film looked.Anyway some people like this it's fine with me, To JPA and no there isn't anything to get,I knew what kind of movie this going to be,but it simply got below my already low expectation. It is what it is.
post #264 of 321
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Just because you say something a thousand times it won't make it relevant or true. My point is and others said this already,he could have done this much better based on what as filmmaker have demonstrated it. Helboy was a B movie as well,and it was far superior,the sequel not so much.Mimic was a B movie,it was superior as well.He gets a huge budget and this is what he comes up with, a godjira homage? Not talking about a subject matter but rather how he film looked.Anyway some people like this it's fine with me, To JPA and no there isn't anything to get,I knew what kind of movie this going to be,but it simply got below my already low expectation. It is what it is.

Not sure what the point of this is except to take issue with my thought that he has yet to make a great movie. It's an opinion, sorry it hurt your booty.
post #265 of 321
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There are certainly some laughable plot points
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Gypsy Danger is an analog Jaeger

But I keep reminding myself that a large portion of the population won't realize that's a problem. I assume that's the case anyway, obviously the writers didn't see the problem there.

Yeah, I thought that part of the movie was especially dumb, too...like all that CG stuff going on in the cockpit was coming from vacuum tubes and CRT projectors? tongue.gif Get real! Why was it even necessary? With all that hyper-technology going on, it never even occurred to them to employ emp-hardened equipment in a giant battle-robot as you would in any piece of military/combat-grade hardware???

Aside from all of the negative reviews here, I did find the movie enjoyable. I dunno, maybe people have set impossibly high standards for GDT to hit, based on past GDT projects? I think I enjoyed it because it had big battling robots w/o all the Transformer luggage (I swore off viewing anything further of that series after T2). If you have seen any of those modern 1990's Godzilla remakes from Japan (talking about actual releases from Jpn, not that silly Ferris Bueller remake), PR was a nice rendition to that genre for American audiences, except fantastically better. You haven't seen bad writing and zany storylines until you have checked out those 90's Godzilla movies.
Edited by Mr. Hanky - 10/19/13 at 9:34pm
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Don't say I didn't warn you, Z.wink.gif
Oh,..I wasn't aware that you didn't like it. Ok well that doesn't surprise me one bit as I'm one in the minority that doesn't see what the big deal of Del Toro's movies. His movies are very pedestrian..like that last I saw Mama. Either way, I still have to see this one simply so that ppl can't say "you haven't seen it so don't crap on it."
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I want to see it very much

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Yeah, I thought that part of the movie was especially dumb, too...like all that CG stuff going on in the cockpit was coming from vacuum tubes and CRT projectors? tongue.gif Get real! Why was it even necessary? With all that hyper-technology going on, it never even occurred to them to employ emp-hardened equipment in a giant battle-robot as you would in any piece of military/combat-grade hardware???

Aside from all of the negative reviews here, I did find the movie enjoyable. I dunno, maybe people have set impossibly high standards for GDT to hit, based on past GDT projects? I think I enjoyed it because it had big battling robots w/o all the Transformer luggage (I swore off viewing anything further of that series after T2). If you have seen any of those modern 1990's Godzilla remakes from Japan (talking about actual releases from Jpn, not that silly Ferris Bueller remake), PR was a nice rendition to that genre for American audiences, except fantastically better. You haven't seen bad writing and zany storylines until you have checked out those 90's Godzilla movies.
Analog based electronics can be more reliable than digital. Digital is much easier to throw out of sync. Analog is more tolerant. One reason the Russians were still using analog electronics in some of their fighters when digital became an option.
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Yes, I'm well aware of that. What I am saying, is that I don't believe for a second that those giant mechs, as they were depicted, could be analog-based electronics (not even an "older" Mk III). wink.gif Analog electronics are far more bulky, far more power consuming, far more costly for the end-result, and ultimately limited in processing power as far as available space, compared to digital and solid-state design. It was an utterly nonsensical techno-detail to introduce into the storyline. Analog for low-power controls, computer logic, and human interfaces has "left the building" since the 80's. Analog for high-power-electronics is a different story, of course. wink.gif

In a similar concept, an "analog iPhone" would be utterly impossible at the size and cost and performance we experience today, with the iPhone that does exist. wink.gif
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Yes, I'm well aware of that. What I am saying, is that I don't believe for a second that those giant mechs, as they were depicted, could be analog-based electronics (not even an "older" Mk III). wink.gif Analog electronics are far more bulky, far more power consuming, far more costly for the end-result, and ultimately limited in processing power as far as available space, compared to digital and solid-state design. It was an utterly nonsensical techno-detail to introduce into the storyline. Analog for low-power controls, computer logic, and human interfaces has "left the building" since the 80's. Analog for high-power-electronics is a different story, of course. wink.gif

In a similar concept, an "analog iPhone" would be utterly impossible at the size and cost and performance we experience today, with the iPhone that does exist. wink.gif

Do you then concede that the greatest flaw and fanciful flight of fiction is the governments of the world uniting to save us? smile.gif
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