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75" 1080P or 84" 4K? Worth the difference?

post #1 of 16
12/13/12 at 6:28pm
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We have to make a decision between:

Samsung 75ES9000 or LG84LM960V.

Samsung is listed at $10.000 but it is a 1080p TV - LG is listed at $20.000 but it is 4K.

I watched both side-by-side and 4K definitely is something else - no competition. (I watched upscaled Casino Royale Blu-Ray on 4K - and while it was not truly 4K - still a HUGE difference)

Dropping 10K on a 1080p TV in year 2013 does not really make sense as future is definitely 4K and I'll most likely use my new TV for atleast 3 years.

I know there is no 4K source / content at the moment, but I think I will be happy with upscaled Blu-Ray in the meanwhile. On the other side these are the first 4K TV's on the market - which means better and cheaper models will be available in future - how soon - I don't know. But instead of waiting 2 years - I'll rather have it now. I also think over 75" models will always be somehow expensive (if not this expensive) no matter when due to small production runs (as %90 of the consumers go fo 40"-55" - and higher production runs always mean cheaper prices)

I really don't know what to do - but I must make a decision soon - as I have no TV for a month now.
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post #2 of 16
12/13/12 at 6:38pm
well it doesnt look like price is a concern for you, so i suggest you get the sony.

Other factors could come into play, such as how close you are sitting to the tv and whatnot, but if you have 20k to blow, go for it...it's an amazing TV.
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post #3 of 16
12/13/12 at 6:50pm
Second vote for Sony - and it comes with native 4K content free of charge
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post #4 of 16
12/13/12 at 7:02pm
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Unfortunately Sony is not an option for me - as in my country it somehow magically started retailing for double the LG 4K price. I know 20K for LG is still expensive but I think Sony crosses the fine line between "buying an expensive toy" and "being stupid". Funny part is I asked the Sony guy why they retail double what 4K 84" LG retails for and got a stupid answer of "ours is better".

LG 84LM960V - $ 22,400 retail - I can get it for $20.000 with a discount
SONY XBR-84X900 - $44,800 retail - no discount.
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post #5 of 16
12/13/12 at 7:40pm
How fast do you need a display? A lot of new things will be hitting the market this year. OLED, MothEye, IGZO, 4K etc. Also what sizes are you looking at? Hisense has said they will have a 65" 4K display for around $4,000 USD second half of 2013. Samsung and Sharp will also be releasing 4K sets in the 70" range and possible bigger. No reported prices, but I would guess at somewhere around $10,000. If I had to buy right now, frankly I would by a cheaper 1080p set with MothEye to hold me over until the dust settles in the OLED vs. 4K arena, in the next 3-4 years.
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post #6 of 16
12/14/12 at 4:39am
I would agree with above get you sharp 80 and wait save your funds better tech is coming and buying a 4k tv with no content is stupid no guarantee movie companies or tv stations are interested in filming in 4k anytime soon 3d is just now taking off to say the least most are focused on that and I heard for tv stations to show 4k programs is huge loads of bandwidth etc they don't want to deal with. With the economy so down most will go as far as 3d sets cheaper now but 4k sets still have 2-3 years before they hit human levels
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post #7 of 16
12/14/12 at 6:43am
I would wait to purchase a 4K set (but certainly wouldn't drop $10k on a 1080 set). Here's why:

Assuming that 4K sources become standardized there is NO guarantee that the few 4K sets available now will accept the future-standard 4K outputs. Who knows what the blu ray forum will come up with, etc. What if they arbitrarily say that 4K blu ray will only work on hdmi 1.5 or 1.6? Will any set manufacturer guarantee that they will update and swap out the 1.4a inputs on the set already in your home? For me that's way too big a chance to take even if I had money to burn.

I would get an 80" 1080 set to hold you over, like the cheaper sharp. It can be had for about $3500. You can use this for a year or two while the 4K standards are set. Also, in that time, 4K sets are certain to drop by that amount or more (ie that 84" set you are looking at now for $20k will fall by at least $3500 in two years, and probably a whole lot more than that).

My $.02.

TM
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post #8 of 16
12/14/12 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by ozdose View Post

We have to make a decision between:
Samsung 75ES9000 or LG84LM960V.
Samsung is listed at $10.000 but it is a 1080p TV - LG is listed at $20.000 but it is 4K.
I watched both side-by-side and 4K definitely is something else - no competition. (I watched upscaled Casino Royale Blu-Ray on 4K - and while it was not truly 4K - still a HUGE difference)
Dropping 10K on a 1080p TV in year 2013 does not really make sense as future is definitely 4K and I'll most likely use my new TV for atleast 3 years.
I know there is no 4K source / content at the moment, but I think I will be happy with upscaled Blu-Ray in the meanwhile. On the other side these are the first 4K TV's on the market - which means better and cheaper models will be available in future - how soon - I don't know. But instead of waiting 2 years - I'll rather have it now. I also think over 75" models will always be somehow expensive (if not this expensive) no matter when due to small production runs (as %90 of the consumers go fo 40"-55" - and higher production runs always mean cheaper prices)
I really don't know what to do - but I must make a decision soon - as I have no TV for a month now.

go for the LG now...maybe buy one for each room. it will be people like you who need to buy these now so in the future they are cheaper for me. also it's only about 7k a year to watch for your at least 3yr partnership with it. go on now what are you waiting for...
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post #9 of 16
12/14/12 at 7:20am
size matters 84 inches to 75 inches.. But i agree sytech hold off till 2013 wait to see what CES has to offer you i am holding out till then it wont hurt at all to wait a few more months to see what will be available in 2013 especially if your interested in4K content like everyone else is. even a rumour i heard of an 100 inch sharp might be in the new year said the sales guy at the store.


here is some more info on the LG tv

http://www.whathifi.com/review/lg-84lm960v
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post #10 of 16
12/14/12 at 9:07am
Were I you, I'd go for the 4k LG.

Were I me, (e.g. broke), I'd go with the Samsung. The reason being that there is very little 4k content. In my experience with DVD, upscaling sucks and does very little (if anything) to compensate for the lower resolution.
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post #11 of 16
12/14/12 at 2:21pm
The point made about the hdmi ports is something to consider and think about a lot
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post #12 of 16
12/14/12 at 5:47pm
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Thanks for all the comments and tips guys.

I think I'll just hold off till CES 2013 (which BTW is less than a month away) to see all the new announcements regarding new technology, prices, and models.
I'm also curious to see what other brands will come up in regards of 4K.

And yeah - good point about HDMI ports - maybe things will be a little more clear with CES 2013.
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post #13 of 16
12/14/12 at 8:25pm
No 4k support means save your funds period
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post #14 of 16
12/16/12 at 12:37am
You make the argument that its not worth buying a high end 1080P panel right now, I'd argue the opposite, it's not worth buying a 4K panel ATM. Nobody has plans at all for 4K media to the consumer, unless Sony are going to prepare 35 disc editions of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Plus these 4K panels are 1st generation... And if panel history has told us anything, it's dont buy 1st gen. You pay 3X what you should and gen 2 and 3 are infinitely better. The purchase of my $10,000 Hitachi plasma taught me that way back in 2005.

If I was buying a panel right now and payng top dollar, the ES9000 is the only panel I'd even consider.

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post #15 of 16
12/16/12 at 4:21am
Wait couple of weeks for the CES to see where the display products are moving.
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post #16 of 16
12/16/12 at 6:39pm
Glad to hear you're waiting. Neither of those TVs impresses me at all even if they were half the price of what they are selling them for. This is a very exciting time for TVs, especially once the OLEDs hit the market. If you're willing to spend that much money, I hope you get something TRULY awesome. Then come back and post pictures so all of us poor folk can live vicariously through you smile.gif
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