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post #1141 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

That was kind of the point. Massive impenetrable steel lawn dart weighs less than new plastic fantastic.

You could get a 360, 383, 400, and 440 depending on the year.
You have me confused but the Newport weighs far more than a new Charger.
post #1142 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

That's a nice car. A '12 Vette is around 3300 too, loaded for bear.

A lot of times you read these astounding hp numbers for some of these cars, then drive them and say "huh?".
That's because they are ground bound Manatees.

New style Camaro is around 3900.

Yeah, my STi is 305 HP/290 ft.lb. There is about 10HP penalty per 100 lbs. My car feels very nimble and agile to drive. It reminds me a lot of the E46 M3 I had. That had the same curb weight, more horsepower, but less torque.

I've driven an M5 and M6 in anger on a track (at the 2-day M School, BMW Performance Center in Spartanburg). A heavy car like that is just not the same. You just know it's a fat ass. You can feel it.

The current M3 is 3700 lb. These "sports" cars have just gotten too heavy.
post #1143 of 4793
The Evora is the car I want. Just a beautiful car. My brother worked for a guy that had a 1979 Andretti edition Lotus Esprit.What a fine car.
post #1144 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You have me confused but the Newport weighs far more than a new Charger.

Negative. The point I was trying to make was the new federal safety and emission standards ( plus sound deadening, interior trim, infotainment etc)
have porkified the new crop of cars.

I was a little off but..............

1971 Chrysler Newport 4-door Hardtop 440 TNT V-8 TorqueFlite.................. Reference vehicle weights are: official base curb weight 1965 kg / 4332 lbs
stuff
post #1145 of 4793
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

A heavy car like that is just not the same. You just know it's a fat ass. You can feel it.

Yep. Feels like you're a fur trader and the tires are a baby seal.


Sorry I have to offend somebody on a Saturday night. smile.gif
post #1146 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Ferrari 458 3274lbs
Lotus Evora 3050lbs


Honda S2000 2750 lbs.
Now that's a fun car.
post #1147 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Negative. The point I was trying to make was the new federal safety and emission standards ( plus sound deadening, interior trim, infotainment etc)
have porkified the new crop of cars.

I was a little off but..............

1971 Chrysler Newport 4-door Hardtop 440 TNT V-8 TorqueFlite.................. Reference vehicle weights are: official base curb weight 1965 kg / 4332 lbs
stuff
I stand corrected. That really surprises me but I didnt consider all of the luxury type stuff in these modern cars. Kinda crazy when you consider that some of these carmakers spend a fortune putting a carbon fiber hood on a car and then add luxury carpeting and a GPS system that weighs more than what they saved with the hood. rolleyes.gif
post #1148 of 4793
For now I'm stuck with my 05 Dodge 1500 quad cab,no Hemi.I work down the street from Ft. Lauderdale Ferrari/Maserati.It's just a parade of exotics all day long.
post #1149 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Honda S2000 2750 lbs.
Now that's a fun car.
I really like those old Toyota MR2s. They are loads of fun to drive. A friend of mine in high school had a 1984 Fiero Indy 500 Pace Car Edition. That was a blast too.
post #1150 of 4793
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S on Motorweek this week.
post #1151 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Honda S2000 2750 lbs.
Now that's a fun car.

My MINI JCW was 2600 lbs and 230 HP. Great track car (except for the damn torque understeer).
post #1152 of 4793
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My MINI JCW was 2600 lbs and 230 HP. Great track car (except for the damn torque understeer).

Yea FWD always spoils the party at the limit. All you can do is go in late and try and get the inside rear off the ground.
Tiring and hard to do if you're following.
post #1153 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Kinda crazy when you consider that some of these carmakers spend a fortune putting a carbon fiber hood on a car and then add luxury carpeting and a GPS system that weighs more than what they saved with the hood. rolleyes.gif

Exactly, but you gotta
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Yea FWD always spoils the party at the limit. All you can do is go in late and try and get the inside rear off the ground.
Tiring and hard to do if you're following.

What? Who said I was following? biggrin.gif
post #1155 of 4793
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

What? Who said I was following? biggrin.gif


No, no I was talking about everyone else.

I just had a thought, drive it like Alonso, yank the wheel before the corner still under power. Understeer master.
High corner speed if you can make it work. Easy on the brakes, harder on the tires.

No wonder poor Massa couldn't drive that thing.
post #1156 of 4793
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No, no I was talking about everyone else.

I just had a thought, drive it like Alonso, yank the wheel before the corner still under power. Understeer master.
High corner speed if you can make it work. Easy on the brakes, harder on the tires.

No wonder poor Massa couldn't drive that thing.

Oh, OK. You mean all those BMWs in my rearview mirror.
post #1157 of 4793
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Oh, OK. You mean all those BMWs in my rearview mirror.

Cough.. BMW = MINI. smile.gif

OK I'm out of here, have a good weekend all.

No offense to heavy cars, Minis or Alonso intended. All in good fun. smile.gif
post #1158 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Honda S2000 2750 lbs.
Now that's a fun car.

When the usable power band is from 7k to 9k, I don't enjoy a car. biggrin.gif
post #1159 of 4793
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

eek.gif What a pig of a car.
My 2011 STi is less than 3400 lbs.
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

That's a nice car. A '12 Vette is around 3300 too, loaded for bear.
A lot of times you read these astounding hp numbers for some of these cars, then drive them and say "huh?".
That's because they are ground bound Manatees.
New style Camaro is around 3900.
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Honda S2000 2750 lbs.
Now that's a fun car.
FWIW and IMO, the best way of looking at the potential funness (is that a word?) is the ratio of horsepower per lb. and measured lap times.

While it is true lightness can be an important factor in the "funness" equation of a car, it doesn't really matter if the power isn't there to take advantage of the low weight.

Yes, there are other factors too.
In fact, a lot of things to consider....
post #1160 of 4793
My Hyundai Sonata weighs a little over 3300lbs, got a 274hp turbo in it. Moves out in a straight line real nice, but doesnt handle well on turns.
post #1161 of 4793
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My Hyundai Sonata weighs a little over 3300lbs, got a 274hp turbo in it. Moves out in a straight line real nice, but doesnt handle well on turns.

We test drove one of those when looking for a new ride for Mrs. Archi (eventually got her an Infi G-37). It's still an anemic 4-cylinder engine, and turbo-lag is still infuriating. (FWD too) Kind of like trying to put lipstick on a pig. Meh.
post #1162 of 4793
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We test drove one of those when looking for a new ride for Mrs. Archi (eventually got her an Infi G-37). It's still an anemic 4-cylinder engine, and turbo-lag is still infuriating. (FWD too) Kind of like trying to put lipstick on a pig. Meh.

I agree basically, turbo lag isnt that bad, but it was a compromise with the wifey, had to get a car that she liked and a 4-door car at that, not usually what i buy, but what can you do. Its really at its best on the highway, cruise at 70, step on it, and you are hauling really quickly. As i said, i really dont like the handling, but wifey has no idea of what i am talking about!!! It does the job when i want to pass someone though, or beat them away from a red light.
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3 hrs to the Grand Prix of Alabama! smile.gif Ryan Hunter-Reay is on the pole. Its nice to see an American doing well in some kind of racing.
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Guys, forget about buying cars for wives...tell 'em to take the bus.

The May issue of Car and Driver spotlights verts for MEN and just in time for Spring.wink.gif
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Valentino!
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post #1167 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Dear Kimi....ever heard of a guy named Robert Kubica?eek.gif
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-kimi-raikkonen-enjoys-motocross-during-break/
By contract Im amazed hes allowed to do that. His foolishness will catch up to him. He has said basically that F1 doesnt mean that much to him like he can take it or leave it. But thats still not fair to the team that has a lot invested in him.
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Valentino!

He's back!!!
post #1169 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

By contract Im amazed hes allowed to do that. His foolishness will catch up to him. He has said basically that F1 doesnt mean that much to him like he can take it or leave it. But thats still not fair to the team that has a lot invested in him.



It's not the idea of being "fair". This isn't the schoolyard were that might hold water. It is not the "teams decision", It's Kimi's period! The MotoGP guys were riding motocross and crashing and breaking bones while the season was active. It's not foolish, they are living their lives while they are young enough to do it and not regret years later not doing something you wanted to do years earlier. They have to do something with their down time. Oh and for the record, Kubica was in an enclosed car with a cage and had a freak accident with a guardrail! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

It's not the idea of being "fair". This isn't the schoolyard were that might hold water. It is not the "teams decision", It's Kimi's period! The MotoGP guys were riding motocross and crashing and breaking bones while the season was active. It's not foolish, they are living their lives while they are young enough to do it and not regret years later not doing something you wanted to do years earlier. They have to do something with their down time. Oh and for the record, Kubica was in an enclosed car with a cage and had a freak accident with a guardrail! wink.gif
Since this is no schoolyard I am surprised by your rather childish response. It is no secret that many professional drivers (F1, IndyCar, etc) have it written into their contract that they are restricted from many activities during the racing season that are deemed unnecessarily hazardous. If you want to "live life" as you put it then do it during the offseason. You should be plenty busy during the season with your driving duties. And if you dont like that kind of commitment, tough. Step down and let one of the thousands of guys standing in line to replace you have his chance. Then you can go "live life" all you want.
Edited by Bond 007 - 4/8/13 at 2:40pm
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