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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

Fireworks are not always good. Senna vs. Prost. Intentionally crashing someone out of the race to win a championship can have dangerous results and establish a poor precedent.

That's actually a really good comparison. Take the on camera personalities out of it....


Kimi = Prost , Lap time at 100 percent ALL day, great on tires, bring home damaged equipment and stand on the podium, never flustered.

Vettel = Senna, able to reach down deep and come up with the fast lap, once in front, rarely caught, gets a little rash when things aren't going well.

I think it would be great drama.
post #1322 of 4793
I think we would quickly hear this again if the above came true.
post #1323 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Btw....Is there anyone who would really kick Alonso's girlfriend out of bed for eating crackers? tongue.gif
I agree that Alonso's girlfriend is very beautiful, although, like virtually all skeletally thin supermodels, she should avoid swimsuits,smile.gif

She looked just fine on the photo on the previous page. She is not fat, and she is not super-beautiful, she is normal. Her thighs are wider than her waist, which is how a woman should look like.

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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

It must be my age but when I think of Porsche racing the first thing in my head is



That thing gives "timeless" meaning.

When I think of Porsche racing I think of this:



This gives true meaning to "sport-utility vehicle".
post #1324 of 4793
Lol Isnt that a 959? WTF? That would be like turning a Ferrari Enzo into a rally car. eek.gif
post #1325 of 4793
The 959 was built for Group B rally. Awesome car. YouTube group b rally cars and enjoy.
post #1326 of 4793
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Originally Posted by stevew24963 View Post

The 959 was built for Group B rally. Awesome car. YouTube group b rally cars and enjoy.
You mean originally? The 959 was Porsches 1980's supercar. Like the ultimate expression of a 911. I know that they were All Wheel Drive but are you saying it was developed to be a rally car from the beginning?
post #1327 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You mean originally? The 959 was Porsches 1980's supercar. Like the ultimate expression of a 911. I know that they were All Wheel Drive but are you saying it was developed to be a rally car from the beginning?
I believe so many road cars had to be built for homologation. Not sure how many though(.200 units had to be built)
Edited by stevew24963 - 4/18/13 at 7:51am
post #1328 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Get a load of this picture of Alonso's girlfriend in a swimsuit.

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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

She looked just fine on the photo on the previous page. She is not fat, and she is not super-beautiful, she is normal. Her thighs are wider than her waist, which is how a woman should look like.

Are you telling us that you believe the girl pictured above appears to be of "normal" weight?
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post #1330 of 4793
Well spoken by a driver for a team that is doing well. wink.gif
post #1331 of 4793
Speed to show a live race! MotoGp Austin @ 2:30.Speed has gotten so lame anymore.Besides NAPCAR and Supercross ,not much live racing anymore.I have yet to find if Long Beach ALMS is live on any network and ALMS site has no info,or schedule.
post #1332 of 4793
I noticed NBCSN is airing the GP2 race this weekend.
post #1333 of 4793
Also wonder if Diffey is doing both F1 and IndyCar this weekend.
post #1334 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You mean originally? The 959 was Porsches 1980's supercar. Like the ultimate expression of a 911. I know that they were All Wheel Drive but are you saying it was developed to be a rally car from the beginning?

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959

The Porsche 959 was a sports car manufactured by Porsche from 1986 to 1989, first as a Group B rally car and later as a legal production car designed to satisfy FIA homologation regulations requiring at least 200 street legal units be built.[2]
post #1335 of 4793
Who in the world could possibly believe that Red Bull would stop F1 because of Multi 21?

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/448400/Marko_denies_Mateschitz_threat_to_pull_Red_Bull_out_of_F1/

I've heard some doozies over the years, but that one probably takes the cake.

If it's that big of a deal (which it's not), I'm sure you couldn't find anyone that would want to replace Webber and Vettel and drive a RB. rolleyes.gif
post #1336 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

I noticed NBCSN is airing the GP2 race this weekend.[/quote Thanks, GP 2 is great racing.4:30 Sat.
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Let's hope this isn't true....5 seconds per lap! eek.gif

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/448475/New_turbo_F1_cars_could_be_five_seconds_slower_in_2014/
Interesting. And they will cost more. mad.gif Doesnt make much sense to me. Much of a modern F1 cars speed is due to aerodynamics. I dont understand why they would be so much slower. Are they losing 300 hp? eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Are they losing 300 hp? eek.gif

IIRC, the new engine will make around 600 plus another 161 from KERS, so they are down on power compared to the V8s, but I didn't think it would be that bad.
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

So, who thinks Merc's new found speed will carry over to the actual races?

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I would BE surprised if that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I didnt know Mercedes had new found speed. You cant draw any conclusions from testing.

I said this about Merc jokingly, but it looks like they have actually done it. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain / improve their performance. I thought Lewis made a serious mistake leaving McClaren, but he is getting the last laugh now. Not surprisingly, but it was still cool to see Jenson congratulate Lewis on his pole.
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post




Kimi = Prost , Lap time at 100 percent ALL day, great on tires, bring home damaged equipment and stand on the podium, never flustered.

Vettel = Senna, able to reach down deep and come up with the fast lap, once in front, rarely caught, gets a little rash when things aren't going well.
Nice analogy.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Let's hope this isn't true....5 seconds per lap! eek.gif

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/448475/New_turbo_F1_cars_could_be_five_seconds_slower_in_2014/
This change turbos is a BIG gamble.
When you factor in the cost, lack of speed, and the changed sound...this may turn out to be a big morning-after beer fart.eek.gif
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post


it was still cool to see Jenson congratulate Lewis on his pole.
Button is one of the nicest guys in F1.wink.gif
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I've been wondering how they were going to control output on the turbos. I'm shocked they're setting fuel flow so low. If they didn't change the aero for them, they would be even slower smile.gif not being able to overcome the drag.

Here's a post by someone who seems to know what he's taking about. If he's right, anyone here with a turbo street car can brag that they make more boost than an F1 biggrin.gif I run 18 psi in my ms3. I don't buy the bit in the previously posted article about not being able to change the fuel flow this late - it's just code. The weird bit is how it changes with rpm - he (guy in my link) seems to think it will drive like a NA car with less power at lower rpm, instead of the big rush you'd expect from boost down low.

If they don't figure it out, it will be a disaster - 12K, 500-600 hp ... so much for F1 tech frown.gif

http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/2014-engine-technical-evaluation-topic-52842732.html
post #1344 of 4793
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

I've been wondering how they were going to control output on the turbos. I'm shocked they're setting fuel flow so low. If they didn't change the aero for them, they would be even slower smile.gif not being able to overcome the drag.

Here's a post by someone who seems to know what he's taking about. If he's right, anyone here with a turbo street car can brag that they make more boost than an F1 biggrin.gif I run 18 psi in my ms3. I don't buy the bit in the previously posted article about not being able to change the fuel flow this late - it's just code. The weird bit is how it changes with rpm - he (guy in my link) seems to think it will drive like a NA car with less power at lower rpm, instead of the big rush you'd expect from boost down low.

If they don't figure it out, it will be a disaster - 12K, 500-600 hp ... so much for F1 tech frown.gif

http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/2014-engine-technical-evaluation-topic-52842732.html

I haven't read the link (no time right now sorry) so I don't know if this applies, but depending on who is quoting boost numbers sometimes atmospheric is
included in the number and sometimes its not.
post #1345 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Button is one of the nicest guys in F1.wink.gif
+1
post #1346 of 4793
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

I've been wondering how they were going to control output on the turbos. I'm shocked they're setting fuel flow so low. If they didn't change the aero for them, they would be even slower smile.gif not being able to overcome the drag.

Here's a post by someone who seems to know what he's taking about. If he's right, anyone here with a turbo street car can brag that they make more boost than an F1 biggrin.gif I run 18 psi in my ms3. I don't buy the bit in the previously posted article about not being able to change the fuel flow this late - it's just code. The weird bit is how it changes with rpm - he (guy in my link) seems to think it will drive like a NA car with less power at lower rpm, instead of the big rush you'd expect from boost down low.

If they don't figure it out, it will be a disaster - 12K, 500-600 hp ... so much for F1 tech frown.gif

http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/2014-engine-technical-evaluation-topic-52842732.html
What do you mean by "if they didnt change the aero for them"?
Changing the fuel flow is more than just code. I am not an engineer but I know there are stresses and other things that have to be taken into account when any change is made in an F1 engine. Or any high performance racing engine for that matter. They have been developing these engines for atleast a couple of years and they have to be ready in roughly 10 months.
post #1347 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What do you mean by "if they didn't change the aero for them"?
Changing the fuel flow is more than just code. I am not an engineer but I know there are stresses and other things that have to be taken into account when any change is made in an F1 engine. Or any high performance racing engine for that matter. They have been developing these engines for atleast a couple of years and they have to be ready in roughly 10 months.

I didn't word that very well on the aero smile.gif Umm, someone said the aero was going to change, and that was going to contribute to the lower lap times. What I was saying is that if you lower power, with all else being the same, you'll not only be slower because of the reduced power, but because the original aero was designed as a package with the power to accommodate the drag and get the desired straight line performance. In other words, if the fuel was unrestricted, they'd be making way over 1000 hp with the new motors. But the cars wouldn't be much if any faster in acceleration because they'd just load up the aero to increase braking and cornering loads, playing that increased drag against the new power.

I'll agree that changing a design in late stage of pre-production can be problematic, but the expected power is so low, they must be anticipating an increase later. I think they'd be pretty foolish to bake in design factors that would just have to be redone for a simple 20-30% power increase. I think it's more likely that the powers that be are pushing the technology - forcing the engine makers to come up with solutions. Politics in other words.
post #1348 of 4793
Nice interview with Lewis - I call him Lewis now that I like him smile.gif

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2013/4/14473.html
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

I've been wondering how they were going to control output on the turbos. I'm shocked they're setting fuel flow so low. If they didn't change the aero for them, they would be even slower smile.gif not being able to overcome the drag.

Here's a post by someone who seems to know what he's taking about. If he's right, anyone here with a turbo street car can brag that they make more boost than an F1 biggrin.gif I run 18 psi in my ms3. I don't buy the bit in the previously posted article about not being able to change the fuel flow this late - it's just code. The weird bit is how it changes with rpm - he (guy in my link) seems to think it will drive like a NA car with less power at lower rpm, instead of the big rush you'd expect from boost down low.

If they don't figure it out, it will be a disaster - 12K, 500-600 hp ... so much for F1 tech frown.gif

http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/2014-engine-technical-evaluation-topic-52842732.html
Although it's not too early to speculate on the tech involved with these engines, something seems wrong here.
These numbers aren't making a lot of sense to me....
We're talking F1 here, there must be something more to it.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Although it's not too early to speculate on the tech involved with these engines, something seems wrong here.
These numbers aren't making a lot of sense to me....
We're talking F1 here, there must be something more to it.wink.gif

My thought/hope as well, but Bernie has his green thing, and it's a brave new world and all that. The math and physics is simple for those involved, so you'd think they would want at least the same power as now, but that fuel rate just won't let it happen without major tech advances as far as I can tell. But NASCAR runs what, 17:1 compression or something like that? I just had this weird image of F1 truck racing - slap some Euro delivery van body on an F1 chassis and have at it lol.
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