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AND how they managed to let F1 slip away from them....

Yep, there is something perversely self-destructive in the way the Hulman family negotiates. I am sure that the the City of Austin and the Circuit of the Americas are eternally grateful for the arrogant way Tony George negotiated with Bernie Ecclestone. George made Bernie so mad, Bernie has said that F1 will never return to Indianapolis under any circumstances.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

The decline and fall of the Indianapolis 500 breaks my heart. It has deteriorated from "The Greatest Spectacle in Racing!" to being not much more than one more race in a third rate (literally) racing league.

There's an old expression in flying that goes something like "most planes crash because the pilot told them to." I think that logic applies nicely to Tony George.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Yep, there is something perversely self-destructive in the way the Hulman family negotiates. I am sure that the the City of Austin and the Circuit of the Americas are eternally grateful for the arrogant way Tony George negotiated with Bernie Ecclestone. George made Bernie so mad, Bernie has said that F1 will never return to Indianapolis under any circumstances.
I do not know exactly what the breakdown was about.
However, it was very dramatic, to say the least.
Especially when you consider the state of the art F1 paddock built by the track.
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Oh, we got to, Got to go see Benny.

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LOL,a true classic.biggrin.gif
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post #1746 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Yep, there is something perversely self-destructive in the way the Hulman family negotiates. I am sure that the the City of Austin and the Circuit of the Americas are eternally grateful for the arrogant way Tony George negotiated with Bernie Ecclestone. George made Bernie so mad, Bernie has said that F1 will never return to Indianapolis under any circumstances.

And Bernie is SUCH a good example of a racing series steward? Seriously? rolleyes.gif

Let's all please stop with the other series bashing, don't really give a crap what it is. Every series has its share of dumbasses.
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Originally Posted by Gt1racer View Post

I agree Bond 007 it seems to be a rerun, i did make an Indycar Thread just for anyone who is interested.

I will also post information for the Monaco Grand Prix sometime next week.
Many thanks. smile.gif
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Oink
My apologies as well. I overreacted.
post #1749 of 4793
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Originally Posted by stevew24963 View Post

On to more important matters.http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/281500/nurburgring-bankrupt-eu-refuses-to-support/
That is a serious bummer. I think they will make it back there one day. It does free up a weekend for something new though. You guys have heard about the possible Russian Grand Prix havent you? Anybody hear anything lately about New Jersey?
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After hearing of the non podium finishes at the Spanish Grand Prix, Red Bull HMFIC Dietrich Mateschitz introduced new training designed to reinforce the importance of maximum effort at all times.
Early reports show generally positive results.




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After hearing of the non podium finishes at the Spanish Grand Prix, Red Bull HMFIC Dietrich Mateschitz introduced new training designed to reinforce the importance of maximum effort at all times.
lol
post #1752 of 4793
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And Bernie is SUCH a good example of a racing series steward? Seriously? rolleyes.gif

Let's all please stop with the other series bashing, don't really give a crap what it is. Every series has its share of dumbasses.

I wasn't bashing the IRL as much as I was bemoaning the suicidally stupid decisions of the Hulmans that led to the decline of what was once my favorite race of the year, the Indianapolis 500. Bernie is probably even more of a pompous ass than Tony George but the FIA is the most powerful racing organization in the world so Bernie has the clout to play hardball., George's Indianapolis 500 venue doesn't have that kind of power any more. Thus, George's arrogance in his negotiations with Bernie was terminally stupid.

On to a more pleasant topic, though, I can hardly wait for Monaco. I love the circuit and love the race. Where else is there a track that makes F1 super cars take a curve at 25 mph?smile.gif
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I wasn't bashing the IRL as much as I was bemoaning the suicidally stupid decisions of the Hulmans that led to the decline of what was once my favorite race of the year, the Indianapolis 500. Bernie is probably even more of a pompous ass than Tony George but the FIA is the most powerful racing organization in the world so Bernie has the clout to play hardball., George's Indianapolis 500 venue doesn't have that kind of power any more. Thus, George's arrogance in his negotiations with Bernie was terminally stupid.

On to a more pleasant topic, though, I can hardly wait for Monaco. I love the circuit and love the race. Where else is there a track that makes F1 super cars take a curve at 25 mph?smile.gif
+1 to all that. George should be shot like a rabid dog for what he did to IndyCar and F1 at Indianapolis. I couldnt even stand to hear his name for a long time. I became a reluctant fan of Champ Car (CART) during the big split because the real IndyCars (turbocharged, etc) went there and many of my favorite drivers as well as many of the best tracks. I lost my love for IndyCar when they went to all ovals (there....I said it oink) and slower cars.
That being said.....IndyCar has come a long way in the last 5 years. They are turbocharged again so they sound similar to the good ole days, all the drivers that are not retired are back, they are racing on more and more of the great road and street courses of yore and there is no closer racing anywhere.
The Indianapolis 500 is still not what it used to be (the fastest 33 cars in the world) and probably never will be "The Greatest Spectacle in Racing" again in my mind. With the use of spec cars that claim is hard to swallow. The days of someone entering a turbine car or something innovative like that and being able to race it there simply because its fast enough will probably never happen again. But does that mean that I am going to turn my back on the race forever? The answer is a resounding NO. I still have passion for the Indianapolis 500.

BTW... Ed Carpenter is on the Pole. 228.762 mph. smile.gif
Edited by Bond 007 - 5/20/13 at 5:51am
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228.762 mph. smile.gif

Yep, that's good enough for me to watch it every year. biggrin.gif
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I am not sure why everyone is putting the blame on Tony George. I am far from his biggest fan, but IIRC Robin Miller has stated on a couple of occasions that Bernie was asking for way to much money. I tend to believe this from F1s recent past of race locations. Kind of hard to compete against an entire country. Especially when these countries are trying to bring with whatever comes with hosting a F1 race to their country. Plus, one shouldn't forget that Tony was spending way to much money and it was running out.



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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

+1 to all that. George should be shot like a rabid dog for what he did to IndyCar and F1 at Indianapolis. I couldnt even stand to hear his name for a long time. I became a reluctant fan of Champ Car (CART) during the big split because the real IndyCars (turbocharged, etc) went there and many of my favorite drivers as well as many of the best tracks. I lost my love for IndyCar when they went to all ovals (there....I said it oink) and slower cars.
That being said.....IndyCar has come a long way in the last 5 years. They are turbocharged again so they sound similar to the good ole days, all the drivers that are not retired are back, they are racing on more and more of the great road and street courses of yore and there is no closer racing anywhere.
The Indianapolis 500 is still not what it used to be (the fastest 33 cars in the world) and probably never will be "The Greatest Spectacle in Racing" again in my mind. With the use of spec cars that claim is hard to swallow. The days of someone entering a turbine car or something innovative like that and being able to race it there simply because its fast enough will probably never happen again. But does that mean that I am going to turn my back on the race forever? The answer is a resounding NO. I still have passion for the Indianapolis 500.

BTW... Ed Carpenter is on the Pole. 228.762 mph. smile.gif

George had an opportunity when he first started the series to actually make the IRL something, but it was completely mismanaged.

As for Indy today, I have said it before, but it is a minor league series now. The best drivers are now in F1 or Nascar unlike twenty years ago when the Cart drivers could be included.

I am not sure why you hate the spec cars. They at least have options on the engine. The other option would be spec engine and free chassis. Not sure I like the sound of that. If both are free, then you will end up with boring processional racing. As I said in another post from Van Valkenburgh, Fnone for the engineers and Fspec for the drivers.
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Originally Posted by Ericglo View Post

I am not sure why everyone is putting the blame on Tony George. I am far from his biggest fan, but IIRC Robin Miller has stated on a couple of occasions that Bernie was asking for way to much money. I tend to believe this from F1s recent past of race locations. Kind of hard to compete against an entire country. Especially when these countries are trying to bring with whatever comes with hosting a F1 race to their country. Plus, one shouldn't forget that Tony was spending way to much money and it was running out....

My wife and I attended the USGP from '03-'07 and were active members of the BMW Corral hosted there every year.

What we learned (true or not) was that Bernie wanted to double the fee from $15M to $30M, thinking the city of Indianapolis would help subsidize it, since the race brought $100M into the local economy every year (where the NASCAR 400 only brought in maybe a 1/3 of that...you know, beer crowd vs. wine and cognac crowd). George balked at that idea because for them to get subsidy from the city would mean IMS opening their books to public scrutiny, and they weren't going to have any of that.

I don't know whether that is true or not, but that's what we heard. Seems plausible enough.
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I could believe that. I still don't blame Tony for declining to re-up. Doubling the fee is pretty steep and using the influx to the local economy is a load of BS IMO. That is the same thing football and baseball do to get new stadiums built on the public dime. While I love the NFL, I don't think someone who has no interest or direct benefit from their local sports team should have to pay money for a new stadium.
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Interesting,while reading about the MOTO GP at Austin I saw that the top speed was 212.3 set by Marquez on a Honda. From what I could find,the fastest F1 speed was set by Vettel at 195. Maybe using diffrent speedtrap location?That's a huge difference.
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What we learned (true or not) was that Bernie wanted to double the fee from $15M to $30M, thinking the city of Indianapolis would help subsidize it, since the race brought $100M into the local economy every year (where the NASCAR 400 only brought in maybe a 1/3 of that...you know, beer crowd vs. wine and cognac crowd). George balked at that idea because for them to get subsidy from the city would mean IMS opening their books to public scrutiny, and they weren't going to have any of that.
Interesting....

Bernie is notorious for being a very, very tough negotiator.

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I don't think someone who has no interest or direct benefit from their local sports team should have to pay money for a new stadium.
Agreed.

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Interesting,while reading about the MOTO GP at Austin I saw that the top speed was 212.3 set by Marquez on a Honda. From what I could find,the fastest F1 speed was set by Vettel at 195. Maybe using diffrent speedtrap location?That's a huge difference.
F1 is all about downforce, not the speedtrap.wink.gif
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F1 is all about downforce, not the speedtrap.wink.gif
True,COTA is a very twisty track,didn't think about that..Still 213 on 2 wheels is pretty cool.
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True,COTA is a very twisty track,didn't think about that..Still 213 on 2 wheels is pretty cool.
Agreed. Very cool indeed. Whats even cooler imo is that I guarantee that Vettel makes it around the track much quicker than Rossi. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Agreed. Very cool indeed. Whats even cooler imo is that I guarantee that Vettel makes it around the track much quicker than Rossi. eek.gif

Yeah, not even close. 20 seconds is an eternity over 1 lap. The top racing carts are faster than the top bikes.

I was surprised they didn't cut the straight down for the bikes.
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Still 213 on 2 wheels is pretty cool.
NO WAY I would ever want to do 200 mph on 2 wheels....eek.gif
If anything happens, you're a dead man.
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NO WAY I would ever want to do 200 mph on 2 wheels....eek.gif
If anything happens, you're a dead man.

Set the wayback machine to 20 years old and you're back on board. smile.gif

There's a reason the military doesn't train fighter pilots over a certain age.
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Set the wayback machine to 20 years old and you're back on board. smile.gif
When I was 20 or there abouts, I did 127 on my Honda 750.
That was good enough for me....
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NO WAY I would ever want to do 200 mph on 2 wheels....eek.gif
If anything happens, you're a dead man.
Fortunately, its very rare they wreck on the straights. But still...
And when you consider they are often going around 150 on some of the long curves with another guy right next to him or nearly touching his back wheel...eek.gif
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Still 213 on 2 wheels is pretty cool.
NO WAY I would ever want to do 200 mph on 2 wheels....eek.gif
If anything happens, you're a dead man.
Actually,the gear riders have today is way better than it was just10 years ago.Helmets are much lighter and stronger. And the suites have air bags that inflate before impact. Big problem is if you hit a solid object or get hit by someone else.

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Actually,the gear riders have today is way better than it was just10 years ago.Helmets are much lighter and stronger. And the suites have air bags that inflate before impact. Big problem is if you hit a solid object or get hit by someone else.

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Or tumble. Thats why they try desperately just to slide. If you start flipping at 150 youre gonna break things. Hopefully not your neck.
Theres a real art to wrecking in MotoGP. It can save your life.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Or tumble. Thats why they try desperately just to slide. If you start flipping at 150 youre gonna break things. Hopefully not your neck.
Theres a real art to wrecking in MotoGP. It can save your life.
Been there done that a few times,even got a ride in the Tramahawk for a most spectacular crash at the old Moroso park in Palm Beach a number of years back.
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Been there done that a few times,even got a ride in the Tramahawk for a most spectacular crash at the old Moroso park in Palm Beach a number of years back.
That doesnt sound like a good thing. wink.gif I assume a Tramahawk is a helicopter?
I snapped my collarbone like a dry twig once doing jumps on a 125 dirt bike. I came down on the front wheel and the handlebar hit my collarbone. Ive broken lots of bones but that was the worst pain in my life. I had to sleep sitting upright for about a month because it hurt too bad to lay down. biggrin.gif
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