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Complaints:

1. No live broadcast, of the race or yesterday's qualifying, yet the 2nd practice session was live.

2. Even the taped show was 15 minutes late in starting.

3. Doesn't look like HD, just up sampled wide screen.

4. Constant sports score banner along the bottom distorts the perspective of the video; everything is squashed.


It's now obvious that the switch to Kevlar based tires should not have been delayed because of the political Mercedes/Pirelli testing debacle.
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As far as I could tell, the race was live on CNBC, then rebroadcast on NBCS. It looked like HD to me. The pre-race started at 5:30am Eastern, and the race 1/2 hour later.

I can't blame anyone for missing that it was on CNBC, but if you look in on this thread or follow any of the NBCSports broadcast team on twitter, you will not get caught out. And assuming you will check this thread before next week, Germany (the race) will also be live on CNBC.

NBC in general is doing themselves no favors having races on three different channels, but unless I am mistaken, they have yet to tape delay a race, so while it is a PITA to keep up, I applaud that.

Brian
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Posted to Twitter by Fake Charlie Whiting. :-)

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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

As far as I could tell, the race was live on CNBC, then rebroadcast on NBCS. It looked like HD to me. The pre-race started at 5:30am Eastern, and the race 1/2 hour later.

Nobody who reads this thread regularly should have been confused by the Silverstone race having been carried on CNBC instead of NBC Sports. As usual, I thought the PQ and AQ were excellent.

This year's Silverstone was a hell of a race. Vettel's gearbox failure just goes to show what a short walk it is from the penthouse to the outhouse in F1. Despite his DNF, though, Vettel still leads Alonzo in the points standings but it's a horserace now. Alonzo did a great job managing a podium finish with what was no better than a mediocre car this week. When Hamilton's left rear tire flayed early in the race I though it was just one more example of Mercedes' tire miseries. Ha! After a while I lost track of how many other cars of how many other constructors had a left rear tire flail. F1 has got to do something about that. Hamilton proved, again, what a great driver he is by managing a 4th place finish despite losing a huge amount of time due to his tire failure.
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I was checking my recording of the repeat broadcast on NBCSN and was greeted by Jimmy Roberts telling me who won the race. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Nobody who reads this thread regularly should have been confused by the Silverstone race having been carried on CNBC instead of NBC Sports. As usual, I thought the PQ and AQ were excellent.

Unfortunately, I didn't look for this thread until after the live broadcast. When the qualifying session was only covered live on the Internet, I made the false assumption that the race was being handled the same way. I watched the race live on the Internet and didn't notice any bulletins about it being broadcast live on CNBC, but then again I wasn't looking for it.

Good to know.

As far as Pirelli is concerned, looks like the updated adhesive didn't do the trick.
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I watched it on CNBC live at 7:30 EST, and really it was this thread that let me know it would be on CNBC, the stupid guide on tv continued to say track and field, so thanks guys.

Hey, ALMOST MONSTROUS NEWS, Nico could have had the victory taken away. Just saw this:

A strange day, just about turned stanger as Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) was called to meet with Stewards to explain why he didn't slow down when yellow flags were flying. Rosberg apparently failed to slow down between yellow flags at Turn 3 & Turn 5.

Rosberg won the 2013 British Grand Prix by just .7 tenths of a second over Mark Webber (Red Bull).

In the end, Stewards decided to issue an official reprimand, but allow Rosberg to retain his third career victory.
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Originally Posted by Oliver Deplace View Post

I was checking my recording of the repeat broadcast on NBCSN and was greeted by Jimmy Roberts telling me who won the race. rolleyes.gif

Same thing with me, I did not know that it was on CNBC and I have it set through series manger on the DVR, watched the bike race expecting to go to the F1 race when it was over and then some guy is giving the result of the F1 race before the bike race broadcast is over. I watched it anyway but it did not look HD to me. Great race inept handling by NBC, Leno is right.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

This year's Silverstone was a hell of a race. Vettel's gearbox failure just goes to show what a short walk it is from the penthouse to the outhouse in F1. Despite his DNF, though, Vettel still leads Alonzo in the points standings but it's a horserace now. Alonzo did a great job managing a podium finish with what was no better than a mediocre car this week. When Hamilton's left rear tire flayed early in the race I though it was just one more example of Mercedes' tire miseries. Ha! After a while I lost track of how many other cars of how many other constructors had a left rear tire flail. F1 has got to do something about that. Hamilton proved, again, what a great driver he is by managing a 4th place finish despite losing a huge amount of time due to his tire failure.




The last 10 laps were probably the most fun I've had watching F1 in years. As soon as Vettel dropped out you could hear the Silverstone crowd go absolutely wlld. One of the NBC announcers (I forgot who) told the TV viewers to call their friends and let them know what happened. The remaining drivers in the field started driving like madmen. It seemed like they started driving faster. What was Alonso, in 8th when it started? What the heck happened to Kimi? Did his tires wear out? Everybody was passing him.

Agreed about Lewis, he proved he's a great driver, even without a great team. Vettel's DNF has breathed some life into what was going to become another lousy season. Red Bull is just such a better team than everyone else right now. They've been incredibly reliable and even their pit stops today were a full second quicker than everyone else.
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

The last 10 laps were probably the most fun I've had watching F1 in years. As soon as Vettel dropped out you could hear the Silverstone crowd go absolutely wlld. One of the NBC announcers (I forgot who) told the TV viewers to call their friends and let them know what happened. The remaining drivers in the field started driving like madmen. It seemed like they started driving faster. What was Alonso, in 8th when it started? What the heck happened to Kimi? Did his tires wear out? Everybody was passing him.

I meant to mention how entertaining the last few laps of this week's race we're but forgot to do it. The stuff that was happening on the track near the end reminded me of just how crazy F1 drivers can be. It was great stuff.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post


NBC in general is doing themselves no favors having races on three different channels
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


This year's Silverstone was a hell of a race. Vettel's gearbox failure just goes to show what a short walk it is from the penthouse to the outhouse in F1. Despite his DNF, though, Vettel still leads Alonzo in the points standings but it's a horserace now. Alonzo did a great job managing a podium finish with what was no better than a mediocre car this week. When Hamilton's left rear tire flayed early in the race I though it was just one more example of Mercedes' tire miseries. Ha! After a while I lost track of how many other cars of how many other constructors had a left rear tire flail. F1 has got to do something about that. Hamilton proved, again, what a great driver he is by managing a 4th place finish despite losing a huge amount of time due to his tire failure.
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

What the heck happened to Kimi? Did his tires wear out? Everybody was passing him.
He got caught out with the wrong tires at the end.

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Agreed about Lewis, he proved he's a great driver, even without a great team.
Hamilton is one of the very best...no one can seriously argue the opposite.

Without a doubt, the "secret" tire test has produced results for MB.
They are now winners....nuff said.

As Matchett pointed out, what could the FIA really do?
Start down a road where MB pulls out of F1?
Next year, 4 teams are counting on their engines.

Nonetheless, what MB did was B.S.

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Vettel's DNF has breathed some life into what was going to become another lousy season. Red Bull is just such a better team than everyone else right now. They've been incredibly reliable and even their pit stops today were a full second quicker than everyone else.
I believe the gap to RB is narrowing.

Their real threat, at the moment, is MB.
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Originally Posted by Phil17108 View Post

Same thing with me, I did not know that it was on CNBC and I have it set through series manger on the DVR, watched the bike race expecting to go to the F1 race when it was over and then some guy is giving the result of the F1 race before the bike race broadcast is over. I watched it anyway but it did not look HD to me. Great race inept handling by NBC, Leno is right.

It was the same quality HD on CNBC as every other race, sounds more like inept DVR operation to me. It's not like this wasn't known here but it's not great that they flip the races around (but at least they're all live!).

So what's going to be the fallout from the big tire news this weekend? I think they were really afraid it was going to be the Indy fiasco all over again with those left rear tires exploding. Thought it was odd that the left rear was the only failure too, I wonder if they were hitting a bad kerb with that side.

One of the best races this year, drama-wise at least.
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Thread Starter 
Will the Germans suffer what we did at USGP 2005?

Whitmarsh admits Germany boycott possible

Unlikely, but then when I was at Indy for the USGP on Sunday morning in 2005 I said "impossible"
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Nobody who reads this thread regularly should have been confused by the Silverstone race having been carried on CNBC instead of NBC Sports. As usual, I thought the PQ and AQ were excellent.

This year's Silverstone was a hell of a race. Vettel's gearbox failure just goes to show what a short walk it is from the penthouse to the outhouse in F1. Despite his DNF, though, Vettel still leads Alonzo in the points standings but it's a horserace now. Alonzo did a great job managing a podium finish with what was no better than a mediocre car this week. When Hamilton's left rear tire flayed early in the race I though it was just one more example of Mercedes' tire miseries. Ha! After a while I lost track of how many other cars of how many other constructors had a left rear tire flail. F1 has got to do something about that. Hamilton proved, again, what a great driver he is by managing a 4th place finish despite losing a huge amount of time due to his tire failure.

Massa blew a tire and finished 6th and he's not a great driver.
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

Will the Germans suffer what we did at USGP 2005?

Whitmarsh admits Germany boycott possible

Unlikely, but then when I was at Indy for the USGP on Sunday morning in 2005 I said "impossible"
Sadly, I think it just might be the way to go.

We can't have tires exploding on F1 cars.
The drivers and teams seem to be united on this.

IMO, we have been lucky no one has been seriously hurt yet.
However, eventually luck will run out.

We can't go into the next race without something being done.
Do we want to lose an F1 driver this year?
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Easily the best finish of a GP race this season imo. How often do you see a 10 lap shootout in F1? Alonso and Webber both drove like men possessed.
Damn shame about Massas blowout. But Ill give him credit, he did well afterwards. Could have been a great day for Ferrari even with barely competitive cars.
Loved seeing Alonso pass Raikkonen after the Vettel retirment.
Has anyone forgotten that in 2012 Alonso was up by 42 points and ended up losing the Championship. There is always hope for Alonso but, of course, I would like to see Ferrari win the Constructors title. Not much hope there.
It will be interesting to see exactly how Pirellis woes play out after all of this carnage. Matchett made a good point though when he said that Pirelli wanted to make changes but all of the teams could not agree so Pirelli is not entirely at fault.
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I thought this was a decent overview of the whole mess:

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/114027.html

There was also an article claiming the Bernie and Todt came together to now grant Pirelli the right to do any testing they feel they need to arrive at a safe tire. But there was no mention of the teams. Pirelli already had the ability to perform tests and change tires if they felt that it was a safety issue, but did not want to do so. But what of the teams?

As the linked article states, I agree that no one is blameless.

Charlie Whiting was quoted as saying he came close to red flagging the race. With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it seems lthat by not doing so when it was beyond obvious that there was a major problem, he was taking one hell of a risk

Brian
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I wonder if they were tacks on the road or something, tons of tires exploding, heartbreaking for S. Perez he was 6th and forced to retire at lap 47, another zero points race for McLaren
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I wonder if they were tacks on the road or something, tons of tires exploding, heartbreaking for S. Perez he was 6th and forced to retire at lap 47, another zero points race for McLaren

I don't care for Perez, so that didn't bother me. I liked him last season, but he is way too reckless this season.

For the tire debacle: http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/3660/did-a-kerb-cause-pirelli-s-tyre-failures/ I'm not sure if that was the cause, but it can't be good for them.

VERY exciting race yesterday! I'm not pleased with Ferrari's pace, but Alonso and Massa both got the best possible out of the cars. Massa had an outstanding start, crap luck with the blow out and then drove the wheels off to get a good result. Alonso did what he always does.

Tough break for Hamilton at his home race.

The crowd went absolutely insane when Vettel's car broke!

Congrats to Nico! Job well done! Oh yeah, Mercedes didn't gain any advantage from the extra tire test.......rolleyes.gif

Excellent recovery by Weber after a dreadful start as well.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

I thought this was a decent overview of the whole mess:
Charlie Whiting was quoted as saying he came close to red flagging the race. With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it seems lthat by not doing so when it was beyond obvious that there was a major problem, he was taking one hell of a risk

Brian
While watching the race, I wondered about that too.eek.gif
One more blow-out and Charley probably would have called it a day.
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Formula One's governing body will allow in-season testing in a bid to address safety fears following several exploding tires at the British Grand Prix.

Jean Todt, the International Automobile Federation president, said in a statement on Monday that the young drivers test scheduled for July 17-19 at Silverstone would be open to all F1 drivers, although Mercedes would be excluded after it was reprimanded for holding unsanctioned tire tests in May.

Todt said the unprecedented move — in-season testing was banned over cost concerns — follows Sunday's race where tires exploded on four cars including Lewis Hamilton's and Felipe Massa's. Todt said the incidents "represent a genuine safety concern for the drivers."

Todt also called on tire supplier Pirelli to investigate the problem.
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Investigate the problem? The problem is known - Pirelli has been directed to build a crappy tire. They succeeded. Solution = build a good tire.
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Pirelli has been directed to build a crappy tire.

Pirelli was instructed to build tires that would degrade and wouldn't allow for teams to utilize 1 pit stop. They WERE NOT instructed to build crappy tires that delaminate with no warning and cause a serious safety risk to the drivers. Obviously, the delamination was not part of the design. They should change the tires back to kevlar banding for the sidewalls (I think that's what was used last year), but leave the surface composition the same to retain the same wear characteristics.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23138397

I had not been aware that there had also been a right rear and left front failure.

Brian

Edit: Filipe's was a RR failure.
Edited by BGLeduc - 7/2/13 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Pirelli was instructed to build tires that would degrade and wouldn't allow for teams to utilize 1 pit stop. They WERE NOT instructed to build crappy tires that delaminate with no warning and cause a serious safety risk to the drivers. Obviously, the delamination was not part of the design. They should change the tires back to kevlar banding for the sidewalls (I think that's what was used last year), but leave the surface composition the same to retain the same wear characteristics.

A crappy tire that explodes is worse than a crappy tire that doesn't, I'll give you that. But a tire designed to artificially degrade, is a crappy tire. Your points are only valid if you accept the premise of artificial degradation, and I don't.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23138397

I had not been aware that there had also been a right rear and left front failure.

Brian
Neither was I.confused.gif
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

A crappy tire that explodes is worse than a crappy tire that doesn't, I'll give you that. But a tire designed to artificially degrade, is a crappy tire. Your points are only valid if you accept the premise of artificial degradation, and I don't.

I don't think that the tires degrading was in question - F1 doesn't want races with 1 tire change therefore the tires are by design not going to last as long as they could. You can call it whatever you want but the result is the same.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

I don't think that the tires degrading was in question - F1 doesn't want races with 1 tire change therefore the tires are by design not going to last as long as they could. You can call it whatever you want but the result is the same.

I don't know the technical issues involved, but it's been my impression over the years that soft tires naturally degrade faster than hard tires, most else being equal. They're always playing with the rules, but in some mini-era, multiple compounds were available, and it was a legitimate tactical decision which way to go, more stops or fewer. More (soft tires) usually was the way, but not always, and it was interesting to see which teams did what. But I don't remember artificial degradation being an issue then.

I think what they're doing now is much more than simple built in degradation. I think they're pushing the technology because they can, in a vain, hubris motivated attempt to manipulate their world. But that's just the F1 side - I don't know what Pirelli was thinking, that they could start from scratch, changing the fundamental design of the tire (going from a hybrid construction to a pure radial) when they'd proven in the first season of the deg era that they aren't really capable of their assigned task. Can't help noticing that the current tire is a "steel belted radial."

The reality is, they took 2 seasons to get a decent tire, which they could have refined over the next (this) season, but instead they completely change it. I don't know who's idea that was, or even if the FIA had to approve it, but someone is making very bad decisions, that should have been obvious, and now drivers lives are at risk, the sport is in danger of being a laughing stock, and it's all to generate fan interest. Learning curves are supposed to go up, not down smile.gif
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I think fast-degrading tires are a good thing, from the POV of adding excitement and strategy to the show.
Of course, not to the point they explode on track.

I would like to see fast-degrading tires that DOESN'T leave klag all over the racetrack.
Klag narrows the track width and makes passing much more difficult.
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