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post #2551 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

This always amazes me. Alonso is the one who propagated the myth that the Ferrari was an inferior car. Formula One Hard Fact - Inferior cars never consistently finish towards the top. I don't care how good the driver is.

Alonso is a great driver, but he will throw anyone and anything under the bus if he doesn't win.
I disagree as do most people who gave opinions last year.
Now if you said inferior cars never consistently QUALIFY towards the top then I would agree. And that was the case with Ferrari last year.
Alonso didnt win that many races last year. He just consistently got the best out of a bad car and finished in the top 3.
Edited by Bond 007 - 7/18/13 at 12:38am
post #2552 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post


At the moment, there are 4 guys who are obviously in the Top Tier: Vettel, Alonso, Raikonnen, and Hamilton.
It may just come down to flipping a coin between them.

I basically agree, but what about Nico Rosberg? In many races he has looked better than Hamilton.
post #2553 of 4793
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I basically agree, but what about Nico Rosberg? In many races he has looked better than Hamilton.
That probably won't be true after Lewis has been through a full year at Mercedes, and the car has been developed with him (i.e. 2014).
post #2554 of 4793
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I basically agree, but what about Nico Rosberg? In many races he has looked better than Hamilton.
He has been outperforming Hamilton.
However, he needs to do more over time to convince me at this point.
The other guys have shown their mettle over the years.wink.gif
post #2555 of 4793
Unofficial Wednesday test times from Silverstone:
1. Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, 1:33.602, 100 laps
2. Paul di Resta, Force India, 1:33.774, 58 laps
3. Antonio Felix da Costa, Red Bull, 1:33.821, 82 laps
4. James Calado, Force India, 1:33.986, 27 laps
5. Daniel Juncadella, Williams, 1:34.098, 55 laps
6. Johnny Cecotto Jr, Toro Rosso, 1:34.193, 75 laps
7. Robin Frijns, Sauber, 1:34.236, 72 laps
8. Nicolas Prost, Lotus, 1:34.810, 72 laps
9. Davide Rigon, Ferrari, 1:34.874, 76 laps
10. Alexander Rossi, Caterham, 1:35.651, 69 laps
11. Tio Ellinas, Marussia, 1:36.676, 36 laps
12. Max Chilton, Marussia, 1:38.347, 27 laps

Great to see Alexander Rossi taking part in the Silverstone testing.
Webber and Raikkonen are now not going to take part in the testing. The teams seem to think they are better off not using their active racing drivers for some reason.
post #2556 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

He has been outperforming Hamilton.
However, he needs to do more over time to convince me at this point.
The other guys have shown their mettle over the years.wink.gif
We should not forget that Rosberg also outperformed Schumacher. Thats got to be worth something.
post #2557 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

While I certainly appreciate the sentiment, drivers, teams and fans cant run a multibillion dollar global company very well.

They don't have to, but a board and management elected and accountable to them could. A non-profit corp if you will, anything would be better than what we have now in almost every series.
post #2558 of 4793
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Just like it's sad that the France family runs NASCAR, it's even sadder that someone like Bernie runs F1. The sport belongs to the drivers, teams, and fans not the whims of some doofus running the sanctioning body.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

They don't have to, but a board and management elected and accountable to them could. A non-profit corp if you will, anything would be better than what we have now in almost every series.


Bernie does not run the sanctioning body for F1. Bernie runs FOM (Formula One Management), the commercial rights holder for F1. The sanctioning body is the FIA, currently run by Jean Todt. Bernie may have influence but no official role in the FIA.

As I stated previously, as much as we like to hate Bernie -- and he likes to be controversial -- he does a good job running the circus, giving us a pretty damn good show for 20 weekends of the year. I'd like to understand what it is that needs to be fixed in that regard. Sure, attending a race is expensive and lack of access to drivers sucks, but it's really managed pretty well otherwise. And how would a non-profit, elected management make it better. I think that would kill the whole thing pretty quickly.
post #2559 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I disagree as do most people who gave opinions last year.
Now if you said inferior cars never consistently QUALIFY towards the top then I would agree. And that was the case with Ferrari last year.
Alonso didnt win that many races last year. He just consistently got the best out of a bad car and finished in the top 3.

Well I guess we disagree. Bad cars (or motorcycles) don't finish top 3 in any top tier motorsport. The competition is too good. Its not like a fast kid in a crappy go-kart at a local race.

The closest I have seen was Senna in 92. He couldn't touch Mansell and finished fourth in the WDC. And as good as Alonso is, he couldn't carry Sennas helmet bag.

We could probably agree that the car wasn't the best car, but the whole "bad" cover story is there to protect Alonso and Ferraris ego.
post #2560 of 4793
Results of Day 2:

Pos Driver Car Time Laps
1. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1m32.972s 48
2. Carlos Sainz Jr. Toro Rosso 1m33.016s 39
3. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1m33.187s 59
4. Davide Valsecchi Lotus 1m33.554s 91
5. Oliver Turvey McLaren 1m33.864s 97
6. James Calado Force India 1m33.957s 47
7. Antonio Felix da Costa Red Bull 1m33.958s 19
8. Davide Rigon Ferrari 1m34.053s 97
9. Pastor Maldonado Williams 1m34.116s 71
10. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber 1m34.224s 52
11. Daniel Juncadella Williams 1m34.631s 33
12. Robin Frijns Sauber 1m34.731s 17
13. Will Stevens Caterham 1m36.082s 98
14. Paul di Resta Force India 1m36.356s 41
15. Rodolfo Gonzalez Marussia 1m37.949s 92
post #2561 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Results of Day 2:

Pos Driver Car Time Laps
1. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1m32.972s 48

3. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1m33.187s 59

TR is quicker than RB?!?!?! eek.giftongue.gif
post #2562 of 4793
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

TR is quicker than RB?!?!?! eek.giftongue.gif
He isn't familiar with the RB chassis.wink.gif
post #2563 of 4793
Prolly using Weber's setup tongue.gif
post #2564 of 4793
Interesting to see Alain Prost's son out there. We'll see if he's a chip off the old block or not.
post #2565 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Interesting to see Alain Prost's son out there.
IIRC, he did Le Mans this year.
post #2566 of 4793
Today's Times:

1. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 1m32.894s

2. Adrian Sutil (Force India-Mercedes) 1m33.242s

3. Nicolas Prost (Lotus-Renault) 1m33.256s

4. Carlos Sainz Jr (Red Bull-Renault) 1m33.546s

5. Davide Rigon (Ferrari) 1m33.592s

6. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1m33.624s

7. Jean-Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso-Ferrari) 1m33.647s

8. Gary Paffett (McLaren-Mercedes) 1m34.294s

9. Susie Wolff (Williams-Renault) 1m35.093s

10. Giedo van der Garde (Caterham-Renault) 1m35.155s

11. Daniil Kvyat (Toro Rosso-Ferrari) 1m35.281s

12. Charles Pic (Caterham-Renault) 1m35.576s

13. Kimiya Sato (Sauber-Ferrari) 1m35.642s

14. Rodolfo Gonzalez (Marussia-Cosworth) 1m36.339s

15. James Calado (Force India-Mercedes) 1m36.451s

16. Jules Bianchi (Marussia-Cosworth) 1m36.744s
post #2567 of 4793
Some info and great pics of the Audi E-Tron. Mosport and USGP this weekend. http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/audi-r18-ultra-e-tron-quattro/
post #2568 of 4793
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Originally Posted by stevew24963 View Post

Some info and great pics of the Audi E-Tron. Mosport and USGP this weekend. http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/audi-r18-ultra-e-tron-quattro/
The Audi R18 E-tron is nothing short of amazing.

The engineering and execution are 2nd to none.
Audi changed the paradigm on road racing around the world.

Of course, bending and modifying the rules in their favor helped a bit too.wink.gif
post #2569 of 4793
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The Audi R18 E-tron is nothing short of amazing.

The engineering and execution are 2nd to none.
Audi changed the paradigm on road racing around the world.

Of course, bending and modifying the rules in their favor helped a bit too.wink.gif
You mean like what all other race teams do when the opportunity presents itself? tongue.gif

I so miss the Porsche RS Spyder and Audi R10 battles. That was golden.
post #2570 of 4793
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

You mean like what all other race teams do when the opportunity presents itself? tongue.gif

I so miss the Porsche RS Spyder and Audi R10 battles. That was golden.
Back in the day that was a great show.Maybe more to come. http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/le-mans-cindric-denies-penske-porsche-lmp1-program/ .Wishful thinking?
post #2571 of 4793
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Originally Posted by RaceTripper View Post

I so miss the Porsche RS Spyder and Audi R10 battles. That was golden.
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by stevew24963 View Post

Wishful thinking?
I think so.

Isn't Penske doing Grand Am at the moment?
post #2572 of 4793
The next ALMS race is at Mosport and will be broadcast tomorrow at 1:00 PM EST on ESPN2.
post #2573 of 4793
JEV thinks he still has a shot at RB next year.
Maybe so...if he can totally crush his teammate the rest of the year.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/8835344/Vergne-Insists-He-s-Still-In-Contention
post #2574 of 4793
The ALMS race was a good one....

The Snake is back!
Corvette hung on for dear life to take the win...one of the Vipers was right on his tail and very nearly won.
Another Viper got 3rd, the other Corvette was 4th and BMW took the next 2 spots.

The GTC battle had lots of argie-bargie.
One of the 911s should have been black-flagged for blocking.....some of the worst I have seen.
However, Karma got its justice and the guy crashed out near the end of the race.
post #2575 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

JEV thinks he still has a shot at RB next year.
Maybe so...if he can totally crush his teammate the rest of the year.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/8835344/Vergne-Insists-He-s-Still-In-Contention

Should we have a pool or something? I'm betting on Ricciardo.
post #2576 of 4793
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Should we have a pool or something? I'm betting on Ricciardo.
I would too.
I still doubt Kimi will be at RB next year.
post #2577 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I would too.
I still doubt Kimi will be at RB next year.

I think the only thing that might keep Kimi from RB, is all of the required media stuff the drivers have to do. Kimi just wants to show up and drive, and Lotus lets him do that.

It's a double edged sword for me. On one hand, I would like to see Vettel against another top level driver in the same equipment, so we know once and for all how good Vettel is.

On the other hand, if they have a good car next year, that would be bad for my boys to have 2 quick and consistent drivers to compete with.
post #2578 of 4793
Christian Horner has already said that RB would be willing to give Raikkonen a "limited" endorsement schedule.
With all the changes for next year it makes it all the more difficult to predict. Seems to me next year is going to be even more expensive than the usual from an R&D standpoint. Especially since they will be allowed in season testing.
If Lotus continues to have financial problems they wont be competetive. If thats the case Kimi will leave with no hesitation.
Im pretty certain that RB would rather have Kimi more than anyone else. Its just a matter of whether they can make an attractive deal for him and I think they will.
Too bad he pissed everybody at Ferrari off. Id like to see him replace Massa.
Kimi Raikkonen will be in a Red Bull next year.
post #2579 of 4793
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

I think the only thing that might keep Kimi from RB, is all of the required media stuff the drivers have to do. Kimi just wants to show up and drive, and Lotus lets him do that.
True.
However, he has made it plain during interviews this year he wants to win above all else....2nd place doesn't sit well with him.

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It's a double edged sword for me. On one hand, I would like to see Vettel against another top level driver in the same equipment, so we know once and for all how good Vettel is.
I don't think there is much question about his skills.
Remember, he did provide Toro Rosso with their only pole, podium, and victory?wink.gif
post #2580 of 4793
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Should we have a pool or something? I'm betting on Ricciardo.

I really want Kimi because I think he of all drivers could aggravate Vettel the most. tongue.gif
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