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That drive thru penalty on Grosjean was bad IMHO. They are not letting the guys race, this is F1 dammit, let these guys go at it.

Kimi and Seb up on the podium near the end of the interviews looked real chummy, are they ready to become teammates?
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Hmmm.http://sports.yahoo.com/news/alonso-red-bull-f1-rumour-mill-takes-spin-190814313.html;_ylt=Anva4HpoFlDrG4i4awJv1fNa7Ox_;_ylu=X3oDMTRxNGk1anU5BGNjb2RlA3ZzaGFyZWFnMnVwcmVzdARtaXQDTWl4ZWQgTGlzdCBOZXdzIEZvciBZb3UEcGtnA2IwZDM1ZWY0LWRhNmEtMzY0YS05MTk4LTU5OGQwNDdiY2E5NQRwb3MDNQRzZWMDbmV3c19mb3JfeW91BHZlcgMzN2E3YTQwMC1mN2I5LTExZTItYmVmNS0yMWU1YWFjNDczNjc-;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3
post #2643 of 4793
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

That drive thru penalty on Grosjean was bad IMHO. They are not letting the guys race, this is F1 dammit, let these guys go at it.
The replay wasn't really clear where Grosjean's inside wheels were precisely.
I assume the stewards had better video....

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Kimi and Seb up on the podium near the end of the interviews looked real chummy, are they ready to become teammates?
Horner said there will be an announcement at the end of the summer vacation.

To make our tongues wag even more, there's this hot item:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-fernando-alonso-emerges-as-surprise-red-bull-candidate/
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

To make our tongues wag even more, there's this hot item:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-fernando-alonso-emerges-as-surprise-red-bull-candidate/

Please F1 God's.....make this happen. :-)

I do see that Fred is already denying that there is anything to this. Yeah, right. What a great way to light a fire under Ferrari's butt than to get rumors going about talking to RB. I would like this even more than Raikonnen going to RB.

Side note: Went to the movies this afternoon, and before our film saw the Rush trailer. I have seen several online before, but I must say, seeing it on a 60 foot screen with full sound makes it look all the more impressive.

Brian
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Alonso to RB is fun to talk about. I also forgot to mention his birthday is tomorrow 7/29/1981.
I have an F1 calendar that has all the drivers birthdays on it.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

Side note: Went to the movies this afternoon, and before our film saw the Rush trailer. I have seen several online before, but I must say, seeing it on a 60 foot screen with full sound makes it look all the more impressive.

I saw the Rush trailer at at a movie theater too and was blown away. I will be there to see the film on opening day, regardless of what the critics may have to say.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

I do see that Fred is already denying that there is anything to this. Yeah, right. What a great way to light a fire under Ferrari's butt than to get rumors going about talking to RB. I would like this even more than Raikonnen going to RB.
Alonso is a very clever guy....it wouldn't surprise me if he deliberately let this loose in order to kick Maranello in the arse to step up their game.wink.gif

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I will be there to see the film on opening day, regardless of what the critics may have to say.
+1000000
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The replay wasn't really clear where Grosjean's inside wheels were precisely.
I assume the stewards had better video....

I thought he only had two off seeing it live, but it's confusing the way the track is marked there - there are actually three lines, and the blacktop bit between the bumpers and the green.

Anyhow, he clearly had 4 off (barely though) in the in car vid - I don't get any sound with the vid.

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I thought he only had two off seeing it live, but it's confusing the way the track is marked there - there are actually three lines, and the blacktop bit between the bumpers and the green.

Anyhow, he clearly had 4 off (barely though) in the in car vid - I don't get any sound with the vid.





Anthony Davidson gives a great critique here.
I can't really argue with his analysis and conclusions.
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One of the best races this year IMO.

You guys covered most of what I was thinking, I'll just add that Budapest if a beautiful city. The shots they showed in and around the city were fantastic.

There must have been 100 linear feet of legs on that podium wink.gif

That track is relentless. One of the best.

Grosjean should consider changing his name to Schleprock.
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Apparently, Ferrari ain't too happy with this Alonso to RB talk:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-ferrari-in-extraordinary-public-rebuke-of-fernando-alonso/

Wow. That truly is extraordinary.

James Allen had this take on the whole thing:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/07/what-is-behind-alonsos-link-with-red-bull/

Not being a member of the Tifosi, I had not really even considered how Ferrari would view all the RB/Alonso the speculation. Having said that, drivers expect loyalty from the teams, but I would say that the teams are less likely to get loyalty from a driver when one is a multiple WC who is currently saddled with a 4th place car.

With 4 weeks for this to percolate, it is going to be an interesting run up to Spa. That may be enough time for Fred to get Montezumolo's boot pulled out of his arse.

Brian
Edited by BGLeduc - 7/29/13 at 12:43pm
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I don't think Luca Montezemolo has his "boot up Alonso's arse". He's trying to limit the "damage control" caused by Alonso's comments. They need Fernando right now as Massa seems to be struggling also. I can recall a certain unhappy Brazilian named Rubens Barrichello that proved how "team oriented" Ferrari can become. They need to fix the car. Trying to blame it on the new tires is not going to work. The other teams have adapted quickly including Mercedes who got penalized and missed the last test!
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Scuderia Ferrari it appears are similar to Ducati who happen to be struggling right now in MotoGP. They both have problems with getting base settings dialed in quickly. Hard to change your way of thinking sometimes! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

Wow. That truly is extraordinary.

James Allen had this take on the whole thing:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/07/what-is-behind-alonsos-link-with-red-bull/
Great read, nice insight from JA.

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Not being a member of the Tifosi, I had not really even considered how Ferrari would view all the RB/Alonso the speculation. Having said that, drivers expect loyalty from the teams, but I would say that the teams are less likely to get loyalty from a driver when one is a multiple WC who is currently saddled with a 4th place car.

With 4 weeks for this to percolate, it is going to be an interesting run up to Spa. That may be enough time for Fred to get Montezumol's boot pulled out of his arse.
+1
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Anybody figure out what "Fail 2 - 2" meant? I was thinking they both lost their KERS.
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Faster cars, bigger tires.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23493372

After all of the talk about the new engines being crap and slow.......

But it seems highly likely that it will insist on the bigger tyres because current data from the teams suggest the cars will be considerably faster next season than had initially been anticipated and that tyres of current dimensions may struggle to cope.

When the new rules for 2014 were introduced, it was expected the new design of engines would produce in the region of 750bhp, with 600bhp from the engine and turbo and 150bhp from enhanced energy recovery systems.

But the latest projections suggest the total power output could approach 850bhp, with as much as 700bhp produced by the engines and turbos alone. That would mean power outputs about 70bhp greater than this season.

On top of that, the teams have been able to produce more aerodynamic downforce from the new chassis regulations than had been expected.


That's something you can always count on, F1 engineers will always find a way to go quicker/faster. Imagine what they could do without all of the regulations that try to slow them down! eek.gif
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Anybody figure out what "Fail 2 - 2" meant? I was thinking they both lost their KERS.

I have been wondering the same thing. Whatever it was, it didn't appear to hurt them that much.
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Imagine what they could do without all of the regulations that try to slow them down! eek.gif

I have wondered that myself. I wonder if there were NO regulations (except driver safety provisions), how fast could F1 cars could go compared to now if they were allowed any engine and any aerodynamics they wanted.

It would still be a balance as you would still need to be able to corner at speed, so you couldnt just go for straight-line speed (like a Bonneville land speed car). Would be something to see what the designers would come up with!
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

I have been wondering the same thing. Whatever it was, it didn't appear to hurt them that much.
I don't know, but I'll bet Matchett will try to find out.wink.gif

I was thinking it might have to do with KERS or strategy.
At the time Webber was closing on Vettel.

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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I have wondered that myself. I wonder if there were NO regulations (except driver safety provisions), how fast could F1 cars could go compared to now if they were allowed any engine and any aerodynamics they wanted.

It would still be a balance as you would still need to be able to corner at speed, so you couldnt just go for straight-line speed (like a Bonneville land speed car). Would be something to see what the designers would come up with!
The history of slowing cars down has to do with safety for drivers and spectators alike.
A car spinning off-track at 300 mph likely will end in injuries, at best.
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Whenever the rules allow for more power, they just increase downforce (and therefore drag) to balance it out. It's all about braking and cornering force. I don't know if it's true, but I recall someone saying just lifting on a modern F1 car produces something like 2G deceleration at high speed. Drag goes up with the square of the speed, so double the speed = quadruple the drag.

If they had 1500 reliable hp from a turbo motor (meaning some torque to go with the hp, something they really don't now), and freedom of design aerodynamically, Pirelli would have a corporate heart attack eek.gif
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The history of slowing cars down has to do with safety for drivers and spectators alike.
A car spinning off-track at 300 mph likely will end in injuries, at best.

Yes, for sure. I would just love to see what could be done with no regulations, obviously they could never run races with cars like that, but it would be interesting to see what technology they could come up with if they didnt have anyone saying NO to their innovations.
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

I have wondered that myself. I wonder if there were NO regulations (except driver safety provisions), how fast could F1 cars could go compared to now if they were allowed any engine and any aerodynamics they wanted.

It would still be a balance as you would still need to be able to corner at speed, so you couldnt just go for straight-line speed (like a Bonneville land speed car). Would be something to see what the designers would come up with!

Vacuums and gas turbines smile.gif

I think the limiting factor would be the drivers, just like it is with planes and pilots. You'd start dealing with forces that would harm a human.
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Just an FYI. Even though Mercedes was not allowed to take place in the tire test Pirelli gave them copies of ALL the data.
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http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/36vchi/gran-turismo-5-x1-prototype-full-reveal-trailer

This is old news but for those who havent seen it it is basically what you guys are talking about. Adrian Newey let loose.
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