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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

Well, we've seen the gang before Diffey, Matchett, Hobbs, Buxton.
I like them all. Very glad they stayed together. Dont know why some people dont care for Diffey. He seems ok to me.
post #302 of 4793
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Anyone see the rumor that McLaren may go with Honda motors in the next 2 years? Saw this on ESPN F-1 news.
Mercedes is in some turmoil right now. Big things happening there. If they dont do very well this year they might leave. This is all just bs from me though.
Wasnt Honda in F1 at some point? Of course Toyota was.
One thing for sure. 2014 is going to be VERY interesting. For better or worse.
post #303 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I like them all. Very glad they stayed together. Dont know why some people dont care for Diffey. He seems ok to me.
He is only "OK" IMO.

Varsha was like a comfortable pair of house slippers....he knew exactly how to steer the conversations without getting in the way and was very knowledgeable about the sport.
post #304 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Mercedes is in some turmoil right now. Big things happening there. If they dont do very well this year they might leave. This is all just bs from me though.
Wasnt Honda in F1 at some point? Of course Toyota was.
One thing for sure. 2014 is going to be VERY interesting. For better or worse.

Honda was the engine supplier for McLaren during the turbo era of the 80s. Very successful.
post #305 of 4793
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Honda was the engine supplier for McLaren during the turbo era of the 80s. Very successful.
What was the size of those engines?
2014's spec is for very small displacement.
post #306 of 4793
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What was the size of those engines?
2014's spec is for very small displacement.
One thing for damn sure. They werent 6 cylinders. mad.gif
post #307 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

One thing for damn sure. They werent 6 cylinders. mad.gif

1988. McLaren Honda won 15 of the 16 F-1 races using a 1.5 liter turbo V-6.biggrin.gif
post #308 of 4793
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1988. McLaren Honda won 15 of the 16 F-1 races using a 1.5 liter turbo V-6.biggrin.gif
I'll be damned. I forgot they used 6 cylinders back then. I stand corrected with foot in mouth!smile.gif Who was driving for them then? Prost?
post #309 of 4793
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I pray that is not the measuring stick because Ferrari has only made 1 turbo in history. Its that 288 GTO that I pointed out in that picture of Lenos car the other day. Twin turbo 2.8L V8. Hence the designation 288.
You all do know that Ferrari invented the term GTO right? Pontiac only copied it. Gran Turismo Omologato.

Did you forget the F40?
post #310 of 4793
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I'll be damned. I forgot they used 6 cylinders back then. I stand corrected with foot in mouth!smile.gif Who was driving for them then? Prost?

Prost and Senna. Senna took the championship, but Prost really had the most points. It was a strange year because not all of the points would be counted. Only the best of a certain number of races (I forgot the formula) would count towards the championship.
post #311 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

1988. McLaren Honda won 15 of the 16 F-1 races using a 1.5 liter turbo V-6.biggrin.gif
Almost the same formula for next year.eek.gif

How durable was those engines?
I think we might see alot of engine parts and oil on the track in 2014.wink.gif
post #312 of 4793
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It tells me RB is sand-bagging everyone.tongue.gif

RB always sand bags in testing and tells the media they aren't happy with the car, we were late to start development, blah, blah, blah. Then come race time, surprise!
post #313 of 4793
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Did you forget the F40?
Yes. The 288 replacement. So, they have made 2 turbos. Good catch.
The foot in my mouth is getting sore.
post #314 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Wasnt Honda in F1 at some point?

Yes. Brawn GP was Honda before Brawn bought them.
post #315 of 4793
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Almost the same formula for next year.eek.gif

How durable was those engines?
I think we might see alot of engine parts and oil on the track in 2014.wink.gif

Honda winning 15 of 16 races would mean that the car finished races without many failures. This should give us an idea of what to expect, especially with the past 25 years of advancing computer technology.wink.gif
post #316 of 4793
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Yes. Brawn GP was Honda before Brawn bought them.

And of course Honda with McLaren during the 80s.smile.gif
post #317 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

Prost and Senna. Senna took the championship, but Prost really had the most points. It was a strange year because not all of the points would be counted. Only the best of a certain number of races (I forgot the formula) would count towards the championship.
Glory days for some. Dark days for others. Senna is still my favorite driver. I saw his death live on tv and will never forget.
post #318 of 4793
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Glory days for some. Dark days for others. Senna is still my favorite driver. I saw his death live on tv and will never forget.

Ditto. I also saw him race in Canada during the late 80s. A great talent, but if you saw the movie, also a bit "over the top" in his focus to win.
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Honda winning 15 of 16 races would mean that the car finished races without many failures. This should give us an idea of what to expect, especially with the past 25 years of advancing computer technology.wink.gif
That may have been the year that Senna took Prost out in the last race to win the Championship. Prost was slightly upset...eek.gif
post #320 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

Ditto. I also saw him race in Canada during the late 80s. A great talent, but if you saw the movie, also a bit "over the top" in his focus to win.
Perhaps. A great human being also.
post #321 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

And of course Honda with McLaren during the 80s.smile.gif

Correct. They were engine suppliers for many years. 83-92 and then again from 2000-05. Then they bought the BAR team and were constructors till 09 when Brawn purchased them.
post #322 of 4793
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Did you forget the F40?
DOH!
I did.....redface.gif

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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

A great talent, but if you saw the movie, also a bit "over the top" in his focus to win.
Agreed.
post #323 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

That may have been the year that Senna took Prost out in the last race to win the Championship. Prost was slightly upset...eek.gif

That was 1990. Senna was felt by some, during that era, to be ruthless and possessed.
post #324 of 4793
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

That was 1990. Senna was felt by some, during that era, to be ruthless and possessed.
He got screwed by the politics of F1 more than once and was pissed off and disillusioned by what he saw (rightly so) as unfair play. The FIA director at the time was French and Prost was his darling. I am not making excuses for all his behavior but often times he had a good reason for what he did. Love him or hate him, F1 needs more characters like him.
A famous quote by him was "If you see an opening and dont take it you are no longer racing." He was not interested in finishing second. Thats why he had some of the greatest drives that F1 has ever seen.
post #325 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

He got screwed by the politics of F1 more than once and was pissed off and disillusioned by what he saw (rightly so) as unfair play. The FIA director at the time was French and Prost was his darling. I am not making excuses for all his behavior but often times he had a good reason for what he did. Love him or hate him, F1 needs more characters like him.
A famous quote by him was "If you see an opening and dont take it you are no longer racing." He was not interested in finishing second. Thats why he had some of the greatest drives that F1 has ever seen.

I agree with everything you stated. I followed F-1 during that era and all you say is true.wink.gif
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And lets not forget that Senna had a huge heart. He was a genuinely nice guy and did massive amounts of charity work.
post #327 of 4793
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Love him or hate him, F1 needs more characters like him.
These days we only have one REAL character in F1: Kimi.
I loved it last year when he told his crew over the radio to "leave me alone, I know what I'm doing!"
LMAO.

I guess last week he had another bout of "food poisoning" and missed a day of testing.....biggrin.gif

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did massive amounts of charity work.
True.
post #328 of 4793
Brief history, from memory, on the turbo era. The rules had a 2:1 ratio for turbo motors. Rule had been there forever, like some old law no one pays attention to. It was thought the ratio was so extreme there would never be a successful turbo motor.

Technology marches on, and Renault came out with a v6 turbo that had about the same power as the NA cars. And so it began.

The most powerful (short-term) car was a straight 4 (BMW) that it was said could put out at least 1000 hp in qualifying trim.

Each team had their own fuel chemist, coming up with all kinds of stuff that would kill you if you breathed it smile.gif

It was said Senna would blip the throttle mid corner to keep the turbo spooled.
post #329 of 4793
I thought this was a fun promo vid from Ferrari. Specs on this thing are insane - 2800 lbs. and 950 hp and 9250 RPM.

post #330 of 4793
Thats freakin awesome! smile.gif Active aero underneath the car. Cant wait to find out more about it. Thanks fjames.
Ferrari reminds you to obey all posted traffic laws!
I guess that makes gears 3-7 useless. mad.gif
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