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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Yeah. Basically said its Ferraris fault because the car is slow.

LOL. I was actually talking about the Valencia one:

"In Valencia it was a complete surprise. If we win the race tomorrow it will be even more (of a) surprise," Alonso said."

Isn't that the truth!
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

LOL. I was actually talking about the Valencia one:

"In Valencia it was a complete surprise. If we win the race tomorrow it will be even more (of a) surprise," Alonso said."

Isn't that the truth!
Im glad you posted that. I heard Buxton ask him about it but didnt really understand the reply. Surprise isnt the word.
post #4353 of 4793
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

Is it true that Kimi has to start at the back of the field due to some problem with the car? I dont think his heart is in driving for Lotus right now, if this is true, he REALLY wont want to drive this race or the next two!!
Since #1 is no longer available, he wants to finish #2 in the championship....it's just the way the guy is built (Alonso too).

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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post


Does he still get to switch tires now that he is 10th because of Kimi's DQ? I would imagine so, because he didn't take part in Q3.
I'm not sure....
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45 minutes!
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

No need…..I am huge Webber fan, but Seb will have him by the 1st corner, half way through the 1st lap worst case.

I hate being right all the time. :-)
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It looks like Mercedes is going to finish second in the constructors title. Plus, I think Merc will beat Ferrari in the engine title as well.

I will go ahead and say it. Vettel could wind up the greatest F1 driver of all time. He is already top three.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

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I hate being right all the time. :-)
MW seemed to be pleased with his 2nd place however.

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Originally Posted by Ericglo View Post

I think Merc will beat Ferrari in the engine title as well.
Where is Renault in this?

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I will go ahead and say it. Vettel could wind up the greatest F1 driver of all time. He is already top three.
Very possible.wink.gif
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Anybody else notice the shot of the solar eclipse? The announcers mentioned it was a beautiful shot, but didn't mention the eclipse. Just a small crescent on the bottom edge of the setting sun.
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Originally Posted by Ericglo View Post

I will go ahead and say it. Vettel could wind up the greatest F1 driver of all time. He is already top three.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Very possible.wink.gif

I agree. Vettel's dominance over the course of the last four seasons, including his nearly total dominance this season, has been amazing. Of course his Red Bull Team has been as dominant as he has so, as is always the case in F1, we all await what comes next with bated breath to see if Vettel and Red Bull can keep it up. smile.gif

I love the Abu Dhabi circuit. Where else can you see a world class class track arched over by a world class hotel and cheek by jowl with a marina filled with the yachts of the super rich? Fitzgerald was right about the very rich, they are different from you and me.
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

Anybody else notice the shot of the solar eclipse? The announcers mentioned it was a beautiful shot, but didn't mention the eclipse. Just a small crescent on the bottom edge of the setting sun.

It sounded as if either David Hobbs or Steve Matchett was about to say something but hesitated when they broadcast the shot.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


Of course his Red Bull Team has been as dominant as he has so, as is always the case in F1, we all await what comes next with bated breath to see if Vettel and Red Bull can keep it up. smile.gif
FWIW, I think the big ? for next year is not whether Newey and crew can design a great chassis, but what will be the characteristics of the Renault Turbo Engine?
Will there be enough time for RB to understand this new powerplant and maximize their car for it?
Actually, this question will be the same for ALL of the teams next year (excepting MB and Ferrari possibly).wink.gif

Here is a great article about that very question:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/11/prost-smart-adaptable-drivers-will-thrive-with-2014-technology/

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I love the Abu Dhabi circuit. Where else can you see a world class class track arched over by a world class hotel and cheek by jowl with a marina filled with the yachts of the super rich? Fitzgerald was right about the very rich, they are different from you and me.
If there is any place where an American can feel intimidated by another nation's $$$, it's gotta be Abu Dhabi.eek.gif

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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

It sounded as if either David Hobbs or Steve Matchett was about to say something but hesitated when they broadcast the shot.
Because they weren't sure what they were looking at....and they're not astronomers.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

Anybody else notice the shot of the solar eclipse? The announcers mentioned it was a beautiful shot, but didn't mention the eclipse. Just a small crescent on the bottom edge of the setting sun.

It sounded as if either David Hobbs or Steve Matchett was about to say something but hesitated when they broadcast the shot.

Yeah, "Is that an....?" then back to the race.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

If there is any place where an American can feel intimidated by another nation's $$$, it's gotta be Abu Dhabi.eek.gif

They should give us run of the place, considering we paid for it!
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

They should give us run of the place, considering we paid for it!
Yup.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

FWIW, I think the big ? for next year is not whether Newey and crew can design a great chassis, but what will be the characteristics of the Renault Turbo Engine?
Will there be enough time for RB to understand this new powerplant and maximize their car for it?
Actually, this question will be the same for ALL of the teams next year (excepting MB and Ferrari possibly).wink.gif

Here is a great article about that very question:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/11/prost-smart-adaptable-drivers-will-thrive-with-2014-technology/
If there is any place where an American can feel intimidated by another nation's $$$, it's gotta be Abu Dhabi.eek.gif

Oink, great article on the way the new powerplants will work and how the drivers will have to deal with changes. Really enjoyed that. Should make things really interesting. Red Bull has had KERS problems over the years, altho not as bad as they used to have, lets see if they have their act together next year.

Nice to hear Prost, he was a real favorite driver of mine, loved the guy.
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This seemed a bit much…



http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/133823.html

I did not watch anything post race, but Fred did complete the race and, I assume, got out of his car normally. I wonder if the G Sensor is tied in to the telemetry. If they are so concerned about it that they will completely immobilize a driver and get him to a hospital, why wait until after the race? Wouldn't they want to immediately throw a black flag?

Brian
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Yeah, that looks so scary, but he says he is ok, his back hurts a little but thats all.

They think the sensor might have given a too-high reading on the 28g thing.
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Another brutal win.

You guys see the shot of David Hasselhof watching the race? It must be good to be the 'Hoff, his girlfriend was gorgeous.

Kimi was dressed and out of there. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him for the rest of the year.

Massa looked good for a lot longer than usual this time. I'd like to see him hamg on for a whole race. He always falls back eventually.

Not used to seeing Hamilton have so much trouble overtaking. I think his car must be really bad in dirty air.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

This seemed a bit much…

Actually, not at all. IF the reading was accurate (which it was not), then it was totally justified. 28g! You know what that would do to you? It wouldn't be pretty.

"My back is in a little pain because it was a big hit. We have an alarm on the chassis and after a minimum of G-force there is an alarm on the chassis for big crashes to tell the medical car and whatever. The chassis has this alarm now in parc ferme, but hopefully I am okay for Austin."

Auto Motor und Sport also reported that the Ferrari G-Force sensor was not mounted correctly, and that Alonso was actually subjected to less than the recorded 28G.


Trust me, your back would be more than "in a little pain" if you were subjected to 28g vertically. Obviously it was much less than that.

You raise a good point though. If the alarm went off, I'm surprised they didn't force him to stop. Thankfully they didn't.
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Not used to seeing Hamilton have so much trouble overtaking. I think his car must be really bad in dirty air.

Didn't he chalk it up to the parts that they had to replace in the rear suspension? Normally, I like to see Lewis do well, but since Merc overtook Ferrari for second, I'm not hoping for good results from him! Alonso can't score enough to cover Nico and Lewis.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post


Where is Renault in this?

Renault is an engine supplier only. "Manufacturer" refers to the "team" and should probably be re-named.
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

Didn't he chalk it up to the parts that they had to replace in the rear suspension?

He had to say something. He was looking a little bewildered. This isn't the first time lately he's had trouble passing. Whatever anyone thinks of the guy, he's always been strong at passing.
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

This seemed a bit much…



http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/133823.html

I did not watch anything post race, but Fred did complete the race and, I assume, got out of his car normally. I wonder if the G Sensor is tied in to the telemetry. If they are so concerned about it that they will completely immobilize a driver and get him to a hospital, why wait until after the race? Wouldn't they want to immediately throw a black flag?

Brian

Wow, if that reading was accurate, I would have been worried about the car too. That would be in the neighborhood of 18 tons of force.
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Another brutal win.

You guys see the shot of David Hasselhof watching the race? It must be good to be the 'Hoff, his girlfriend was gorgeous.

Kimi was dressed and out of there. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him for the rest of the year.

Massa looked good for a lot longer than usual this time. I'd like to see him hamg on for a whole race. He always falls back eventually.

Not used to seeing Hamilton have so much trouble overtaking. I think his car must be really bad in dirty air.

Yes, i saw that girl with Hasselhof, wow!!

Kimi could not have gotten out of there faster, and his body language as he got into the SVU showed he was pissed. Some people are saying he bumped the other car on purpose to get of the race!

Massa said Ferrari blew it, that they were supposed to put him on the option tires at the last pit stop but they mistakenly didnt. He said he was the fastest car with the option tires and that he would have had a much better finishing place if he had the option tires.

Hamilton struggled ever since they had to replace a part on his car either Friday or Saturday, they apparently never got the car right after that.

And Vettel just keeps running away from everyone, incredible!!
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Originally Posted by yankeeman View Post

Yes, i saw that girl with Hasselhof, wow!!

Kimi could not have gotten out of there faster, and his body language as he got into the SVU showed he was pissed. Some people are saying he bumped the other car on purpose to get of the race!

Massa said Ferrari blew it, that they were supposed to put him on the option tires at the last pit stop but they mistakenly didnt. He said he was the fastest car with the option tires and that he would have had a much better finishing place if he had the option tires.

Hamilton struggled ever since they had to replace a part on his car either Friday or Saturday, they apparently never got the car right after that.

And Vettel just keeps running away from everyone, incredible!!

I would have to see the Kimi collision again, but I doubt it was intentional on his part. Remember, he does not want to antagonize his new team and should want to make a good showing. Also, I can understand his attitude (and leaving the track the way he did) when it appears that Lotus owes him $15,000,000 back pay.eek.gif
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

I would have to see the Kimi collision again, but I doubt it was intentional on his part. Remember, he does not want to antagonize his new team and should want to make a good showing. Also, I can understand his attitude (and leaving the track the way he did) when it appears that Lotus owes him $15,000,000 back pay.eek.gif

I remember when i was watching the race and they showed it a few times i personally really thought the other driver moved into Kimi, so i am NOT one of those who are saying it was Kimi's fault.
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Another brutal win.

You guys see the shot of David Hasselhof watching the race? It must be good to be the 'Hoff, his girlfriend was gorgeous.
She was a knockout!

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Kimi was dressed and out of there. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him for the rest of the year.
Don't say that....I want to see him in Austin next week.

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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Renault is an engine supplier only. "Manufacturer" refers to the "team" and should probably be re-named.
I was unclear, I meant which engine supplier has the most points this year?
Renault should have a bunch.

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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Wow, if that reading was accurate, I would have been worried about the car too. That would be in the neighborhood of 18 tons of force.
eek.gifeek.gif

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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

I would have to see the Kimi collision again, but I doubt it was intentional on his part.
I did and do find it suspicious.
There was no quicker way for him to leave the race.

I looked at the replay several times and I'm just not sure.
It's true there was no where for him to go.
OTOH, I have to wonder why he tried sticking his nose in there in the first place.

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Remember, he does not want to antagonize his new team and should want to make a good showing.
Exactly.
Pulling a move like that could easily cause Ferrari to look at Hulkenberg again.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by oink View Post


Don't say that....I want to see him in Austin next week.


Looks like he in.

"However, after some wrangling between Mansoor Ijaz, the chairman of Quantum Motorsports who are buying into Lotus, and Raikkonen's manager, the former World Champ is expected to see out the season."

I guess 'ole Mansoor is covering this.


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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Here is a great article about that very question:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/11/prost-smart-adaptable-drivers-will-thrive-with-2014-technology/

Great piece, thanks for the link. It certainly appears that the drivers will have to be a lot more tactical next year than has been necessary in recent seasons.
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Lotus had something wrong with the floor or barge board or some part on the bottom of Kimi's car, that's why he was back there getting tangled up with the back of the pack. I'm sure he wasn't thrilled to be starting from last place, and the unpredictable nature of the guys who normally start back there might have had something to do with him getting pinched.

I sure wish I was going back to Austin this year, we had an absolute blast last year. Perfect weather, about a million beer booths, even full bars if you felt like a shot/cocktail, plenty of Porta-Pottys and built in facilities for quick "pit stops" without standing in line. Lots of walking and people watching (and photo-bombing!) between action on the track.
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