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post #601 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

That was a great race last Sunday. The battle between Alonso and Massa was classic. Heres 2 teammates that are battleing it out for 2nd place with Massa giving no quarter. It was said Massa was not happy with the pit stop stratagies that put Alonso out ahead of him and I think this could lead to trouble down the road because Massa seems not to be fooling around this year and wont just step aside for Fernando anymore. Its good to see this fire from Massa but lets see if it lasts. Ferrari looks very strong. Congrats to the Ice Man Kimi. He drove a great race.

Agreed. I hope Massa doesn't go into a slump again like he did with the "Alonso is faster than you" saga. He knows that he is number 2. They can't make that any clearer. I think that was OK when he wasn't competitive with Alonso, but when he is in those positions and they put Alonso in front of him, it has to be really frustrating for him. But then again, had you rather be number 2 at Ferrari or nobody at another team? Just ask Rubens.
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post #602 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

It was always P2 on Speed, wasn't it?

Yeah, it was always P2 on Speed. Speed also live streamed P1 and P3. And I think for COTA only, they had a partnership with Mercedes Benz where you could choose to just watch onboards for certain cars (which was cool during commercial breaks).
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post #603 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

Yeah, it was always P2 on Speed. Speed also live streamed P1 and P3. And I think for COTA only, they had a partnership with Mercedes Benz where you could choose to just watch onboards for certain cars (which was cool during commercial breaks).
You sure about that? I remember the opposite. Speed had P1 and P3 live and streamed P2.
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post #604 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:37am
Yes, P2 was the only practice shown on the network. Speed had 3 F1 slots shown live P2, Qually, and the Race. I'm trying to remember if they showed more on the COTA weekend.
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post #605 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

I'm trying to remember if they showed more on the COTA weekend.

I'm not positive, but I think they did because I remember telling my friend that I wish they had that much televised coverage for all of the races.
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post #606 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:40am
OK. I dont remember doing that much streaming but Im sure youre right.
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post #607 of 1803
3/19/13 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

OK. I dont remember doing that much streaming but Im sure youre right.

One thing I can remember (not much anymore!) is that the three recordings were around similar times of the day on each of the three days, so that would point to P2 as P1 would have been much earlier.
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post #608 of 1803
3/19/13 at 10:17am
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Speed televised P2, and not P1 nor P3 for as long as I can remember.

At the beginning of the P2 telecast they always recapped P1. Before Quali started they would quickly recap P3.
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post #609 of 1803
3/19/13 at 11:15am
Some thoughts from Sunday's broadcast:

-So glad we got 3/4 of the Speed team. I don't mind Leigh Diffey, but he needs to relax a little bit. There were Darrel Waltrip levels of excitement going on at times.
-Pleased to see NBC switched to the 16:9 feed, hope it persists!
-There was an echo during the radio transmissions, almost as if we were picking it up both from the world feed and through the presenters' microphones. Assuming this was an NBC-specific issue, they need to do whatever Speed did that prevented this from happening in previous years.
-I don't mind the ticker during studio shows, glad they didn't try to run it during the live broadcast, but sometimes it seems to "vibrate" a little bit. Not sure what's going on there but it's distracting. Speed's ticker will have issues with the text scrolling from time to time, but not like this.
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post #610 of 1803
3/20/13 at 6:51am
The NBCSN broadcast looked and sounded exactly the same as Speed to me, the only difference being the NBC logo. Which makes perfect sense since most of the same people are commenting on the F1 feed anyway. They did a very competent job in the first race IMO, and I bet it will continue to be just as good.
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post #611 of 1803
3/20/13 at 6:54am
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I did not watch all the practices and quali, but I thought the race was televised just fine.

My wife and I like Leigh Diffey and always have from his time calling ALMS races.
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post #612 of 1803
3/20/13 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

The NBCSN broadcast looked and sounded exactly the same as Speed to me, the only difference being the NBC logo. Which makes perfect sense since most of the same people are commenting on the F1 feed anyway. They did a very competent job in the first race IMO, and I bet it will continue to be just as good.

It seemed fine to me too, no problems that i noticed. Now, i didnt use a tv with a surround sound system on it, but still, it sounded okay, and the picture was very good here on my 61" set. Lets see what happens this coming weekend.
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post #613 of 1803
3/20/13 at 7:46am
I have to say that the lead-up to the race on NBC was completely sterilized with loads of studio talk and edited segments. It wasn't quite the emotional build-up to the race with virtually non-stop coverage of the pit lanes and impromptu interviews with the drivers. I also didn't like the fact that they didn't replay the full qualifying pole position lap with narration of the track. They showed snippets, just not the whole thing.

One thing is for sure . . . I wish the F1 feed would move the driver race positions further left of the screen. It is really annoying to have the driver order so far out over the picture, especially if they switch to an in-car camera where the apex of turns is hidden by the graphic.

I also don't like the sports ticker at the bottom. If I'm watching the race I really don't care to know that some college basketball game will start at 7PM EST. Give me a break!
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post #614 of 1803
3/20/13 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

I have to say that the lead-up to the race on NBC was completely sterilized with loads of studio talk and edited segments. It wasn't quite the emotional build-up to the race with virtually non-stop coverage of the pit lanes and impromptu interviews with the drivers. I also didn't like the fact that they didn't replay the full qualifying pole position lap with narration of the track. They showed snippets, just not the whole thing.

One thing is for sure . . . I wish the F1 feed would move the driver race positions further left of the screen. It is really annoying to have the driver order so far out over the picture, especially if they switch to an in-car camera where the apex of turns is hidden by the graphic.

I also don't like the sports ticker at the bottom. If I'm watching the race I really don't care to know that some college basketball game will start at 7PM EST. Give me a break!

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post #615 of 1803
3/20/13 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

I have to say that the lead-up to the race on NBC was completely sterilized with loads of studio talk and edited segments. It wasn't quite the emotional build-up to the race with virtually non-stop coverage of the pit lanes and impromptu interviews with the drivers. I also didn't like the fact that they didn't replay the full qualifying pole position lap with narration of the track. They showed snippets, just not the whole thing.
Agreed. I missed Buxton's grid walk.

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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

One thing is for sure . . . I wish the F1 feed would move the driver race positions further left of the screen. It is really annoying to have the driver order so far out over the picture, especially if they switch to an in-car camera where the apex of turns is hidden by the graphic.

For P1, P2, and Q1, NBCSN was using the FOM produced 16:9 feed with 4:3 safe graphics. The scoring pylon was basically in the middle of the screen. For Q2, Q3, and the race, they switched to the 16:9 feed with 16:9 safe graphics. The pylon is moved closer to left edge, but due to framing issues (see title safe and action safe), can't really be pushed completely to the edge. As more people use TVs without overscan, I would expect those broadcasting standards to change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan#Overscan_amounts

A link to 16:9 safe area production:
http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/r/r095.pdf

And my reply with links comparing FOM's 4:3 safe and 16:9 safe graphics in a thread discussing IndyCar Qually graphics
http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?152189-How-to-increase-viewership-of-Versus-TV-Race-Qualifying-Broadcasts&p=2692778&viewfull=1#post2692778

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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

I also don't like the sports ticker at the bottom. If I'm watching the race I really don't care to know that some college basketball game will start at 7PM EST. Give me a break!

It wasn't there on the live broadcast. I don't like that they have it there on the rebroadcast, but if they must have it, they need to shrink the picture 1:1, so it's not squished. Nothing annoys me more than a wheel that isn't round.
Edited by oryan_dunn - 3/20/13 at 8:16am
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post #616 of 1803
3/20/13 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

As more people use TVs without overscan, I would expect those broadcasting standards to change.
It wasn't there on the live broadcast. I don't like that they have it there on the rebroadcast, but if they must have it, they need to shrink the picture 1:1, so it's not squished. Nothing annoys me more than a wheel that isn't round.

I guess that's what I am saying . . . don't limit my view of the racing, especially on a known HD feed, just to accommodate some guy who still has old tech. 16:9 flat panels have been around for 15 years now and you can't even buy a CRT for many more years. Of all sports, certainly F1 fans have the most discretionary income and "tech" at their disposal. Moving the titles to the edge of the action area is what I am asking for, using the industry terms you provided.

I can't honestly recall which of the broadcasts my DVR picked up, I just know that the few times I glanced at the ticker it was completely useless and devoid of any meaningful content. And, like you, hate it when those graphics "squish" the picture out of proper aspect ratio, even just slightly.

Thanks for the links - I learned something new today.
Edited by TMcG - 3/20/13 at 9:16am
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post #617 of 1803
3/20/13 at 9:23am
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I guess that's what I am saying . . . don't limit my view of the racing, especially on a known HD feed, just to accommodate some guy who still has old tech. 16:9 flat panels have been around for 15 years now and you can't even buy a CRT for many more years. Of all sports, certainly F1 fans have the most discretionary income and "tech" at their disposal. Moving the titles to the edge of the action area is what I am asking for, using the industry terms you provided.

As you know, F1 here is a niche market, but is huge in Europe. For many years prior to HD, they had widescreen SD, and tons of widescreen SD/ED CRT TVs were sold over there (100Hz sets, which could do 576p). So FOM has to appease those viewers. It'd be really great if they had a third, HD only 16:9 feed. It'd be nice if they dropped the 4:3 safe feed, but quite a bit of those emerging markets Bernie wants to target still have 4:3 CRTs (in which case they should just letterbox the HD feed).

From my trips to India, I noticed they have quite a few 16:9 LCDs as well, but they are stuck with crappy infrastructure, so even in my really nice hotel with 16:9 plasmas, I was stuck with crummy analog 4:3 feeds.
Edited by oryan_dunn - 3/20/13 at 9:39am
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post #618 of 1803
3/20/13 at 9:55am
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It seemed fine to me too, no problems that i noticed. Now, i didnt use a tv with a surround sound system on it, but still, it sounded okay, and the picture was very good here on my 61" set. Lets see what happens this coming weekend.

I have a 7.1 surround sound setup and the race had great sound, very good use of DD 5.1. Take what I say about F1 with a grain of salt however because I only watch the race, nothing else. A lot of others here may have issues with other parts of how NBCSN handles F1, but so far the race broadcast itself is plenty good enough.
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post #619 of 1803
3/20/13 at 10:58am
I had gone into brain lock and forgotten that my old F1 Season Pass was for the Speed HD channel, forgetting entirely that this season the TV coverage of the races moved to NBCSN. Unfortunately, this gaffe caused me to miss the Australian Grand Prix. Duh! Thanks to you guys, though, I finally came to my senses, so I am set up for this week's qualifying sessions and the race from Malaysia, as well as the rest of the F1 season. Glad to hear that NBCSN is doing a decent job covering everything.
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post #620 of 1803
3/20/13 at 11:10am
F1 Season Pass? What provider is that through?
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post #621 of 1803
3/20/13 at 11:17am
It'd be nice if NBC would set up their own bug/graphics as 16:9, but at least their logo is pretty unobtrusive.
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post #622 of 1803
3/20/13 at 11:27am
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F1 Season Pass? What provider is that through?

Sounds like he's referring to setting a DVR to record for the season.
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post #623 of 1803
3/20/13 at 11:36am
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Sounds like he's referring to setting a DVR to record for the season.

Doh!
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post #624 of 1803
3/20/13 at 11:38am
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Doh!
Happens to us all. tongue.gif
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post #625 of 1803
3/20/13 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by oryan_dunn View Post

Doh!

Not to worry. When I said I had straightened out my "Season Pass" I didn't say how I did it. Those who said it was a DVR function got it right. I have a TiVo box that allows me to setup season passes for any recurring programming. I think most other DVRs will allow you to do the same thing but the DVRs Cox OKC offer have always sucked, which is why I got on to TiVos many years ago.
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post #626 of 1803
3/20/13 at 1:48pm
On DirecTV the program guide used to just say "Formula One Racing"...you would record the series, add the live event extension and that's it. The way NBCSN has it now is that it says "Formula 1 Racing Australian Grand Prix Qualifying", "Formula 1 Racing Australian Grand Prix Race", etc. When I recorded the series on the Australian Grand Prix it didn't automatically pick up all the Malaysian programs, so that is a very clear indication that I will have to babysit the DVR recording rotation two weeks at a time all season unless NBCSN realizes the error of their ways so that the whole season record with the touch of one button - whether it be practice, qualifying, race, additional programming, etc. *SIGH*
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post #627 of 1803
3/20/13 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

On DirecTV the program guide used to just say "Formula One Racing"...you would record the series, add the live event extension and that's it. The way NBCSN has it now is that it says "Formula 1 Racing Australian Grand Prix Qualifying", "Formula 1 Racing Australian Grand Prix Race", etc. When I recorded the series on the Australian Grand Prix it didn't automatically pick up all the Malaysian programs, so that is a very clear indication that I will have to babysit the DVR recording rotation two weeks at a time all season unless NBCSN realizes the error of their ways so that the whole season record with the touch of one button - whether it be practice, qualifying, race, additional programming, etc. *SIGH*
That blows.
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post #628 of 1803
3/20/13 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

On DirecTV the program guide used to just say "Formula One Racing"...you would record the series, add the live event extension and that's it. The way NBCSN has it now is that it says "Formula 1 Racing Australian Grand Prix Qualifying", "Formula 1 Racing Australian Grand Prix Race", etc. When I recorded the series on the Australian Grand Prix it didn't automatically pick up all the Malaysian programs, so that is a very clear indication that I will have to babysit the DVR recording rotation two weeks at a time all season unless NBCSN realizes the error of their ways so that the whole season record with the touch of one button - whether it be practice, qualifying, race, additional programming, etc. *SIGH*

I have DirecTV and my DVR set to "Formula 1 Racing" when I added a series from the Aussie GP listings. It has all the Malaysia GP stuff scheduled to record.
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post #629 of 1803
3/20/13 at 2:29pm
I'm not sure what is different, then. I have had DirecTV for 14 years and DVR since the very first Hughes HR10-250 so I am not sure what is going on with the scheduling. All I can tell you is I tried several different times and ways - all of which didn't pick up the subsequent Malaysia programs. I'll have to wait and see if it picks up the Chinese Grand Prix automatically or not with what I currently have programmed into the series recorder.
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post #630 of 1803
3/20/13 at 2:32pm
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I'm not sure what is different, then. I have had DirecTV for 14 years and DVR since the very first Hughes HR10-250 so I am not sure what is going on with the scheduling. All I can tell you is I tried several different times and ways - all of which didn't pick up the subsequent Malaysia programs. I'll have to wait and see if it picks up the Chinese Grand Prix automatically or not with what I currently have programmed into the series recorder.

That's your problem. I've had D* for 15 years. It should work fine for you next year. tongue.gif
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