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post #121 of 251
1/26/13 at 1:15pm
I can't understand the Oscar love for it and then not a mention of End of Watch. Both films about American heroes presented in a real to hyper real format. Whatever though. ZDT is a one and done and End of Watch will be a repeat viewer for me.
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post #122 of 251
1/26/13 at 1:34pm
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I can't understand the Oscar love for it and then not a mention of End of Watch. Both films about American heroes presented in a real to hyper real format. Whatever though. ZDT is a one and done and End of Watch will be a repeat viewer for me.

Too much police brutality cases this year? idk but I liked End of Watch
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post #123 of 251
1/26/13 at 1:38pm
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Too much police brutality cases this year? idk but I liked End of Watch
Maybe or just JAKE PLAYED A STRAIGHT MAN AND IT'S PRACTICALLY SCIENCE FICTION?
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post #124 of 251
1/26/13 at 1:45pm
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I haven't had the displeasure.

I have been to see, in the last few months, The Hobbit, Django, and ZDT.
For me, that's much more than normal.wink.gif

Yeah, I haven't had the displeasure of seeing any of the junk films that have been released since Zero Dark Thirty. I'm less than 10 minutes away from a cineplex I like a lot and tickets there cost only $4.25. Nevertheless, even with that kind of convenience and economy, all of the recent releases have looked so awful, I have been unwilling to give up two or three hours to see any of them.
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post #125 of 251
1/27/13 at 12:23am
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I'm less than 10 minutes away from a cineplex I like a lot and tickets there cost only $4.25.
During the winter, I guess I am too just a few minutes away...

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Nevertheless, even with that kind of convenience and economy, all of the recent releases have looked so awful, I have been unwilling to give up two or three hours to see any of them.
I hear ya.wink.gif
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post #126 of 251
2/1/13 at 7:52am
I have not read any comments yet in this thread. I first wanted to post mine, then I will go through the others.

I can hardly believe that I fell for it. It was such an incredible marketing campaign, clearly aided by a huge topic (killing OBL !!!). The fact of the matter is that I did go see the movie at the theater, me who really hates theaters, never goes and always waits for the dvd . But this was too big for me to wait, like it happens once every 5 years or so, may be. I could not wait, too big. Moreover, there was such positive vibe around this title, even one of my best friends told me it was great. I decided to go.

Man what a horrendous movie, gigantic waste of time. I can hardly believe that these idiots got 3 hours of my attention (well I did nap a little here and there).

And yes, I am not just disappointed, I am upset ! This was a gigantic opportunity for a truly great movie, a great story of such importance. Instead we get this pathetic show of a read haired woman who cannot act for the love of god or I don't know who.

ZDT is a movie about how not to make a movie. Nothing is decent: terrible acting, terrible directing (come on), sound, and so far removed from reality.

To the director: go see black hawk down and learn, actually that is too high a standard for her. Go see pinocchio or something, or anything, and learn !!!!

As to the general opinion. I think, suspect (and hope) that the opinion of many was merely fogged by the subject matter, of epic importance !

In case anyone doubted that is indeed my "modest" opinion. I will go back and see what is said here.
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post #127 of 251
2/1/13 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by windwaves View Post

I have not read any comments yet in this thread. I first wanted to post mine, then I will go through the others.

I can hardly believe that I fell for it. It was such an incredible marketing campaign, clearly aided by a huge topic (killing OBL !!!). The fact of the matter is that I did go see the movie at the theater, me who really hates theaters, never goes and always waits for the dvd . But this was too big for me to wait, like it happens once every 5 years or so, may be. I could not wait, too big. Moreover, there was such positive vibe around this title, even one of my best friends told me it was great. I decided to go.

Man what a horrendous movie, gigantic waste of time. I can hardly believe that these idiots got 3 hours of my attention (well I did nap a little here and there).

And yes, I am not just disappointed, I am upset ! This was a gigantic opportunity for a truly great movie, a great story of such importance. Instead we get this pathetic show of a read haired woman who cannot act for the love of god or I don't know who.

ZDT is a movie about how not to make a movie. Nothing is decent: terrible acting, terrible directing (come on), sound, and so far removed from reality.

To the director: go see black hawk down and learn, actually that is too high a standard for her. Go see pinocchio or something, or anything, and learn !!!!

As to the general opinion. I think, suspect (and hope) that the opinion of many was merely fogged by the subject matter, of epic importance !

In case anyone doubted that is indeed my "modest" opinion. I will go back and see what is said here.

Your post reminds me of an old story. Immediately after the end of World War II there was a gigantic parade in New York, with thousands of soldiers marching down Fifth Avenue. A mother in the crowd sights her son marching down the street and shouts, "Oh look, they're all out of step but Johnny!" just a little food for thought.smile.gif

More seriously, contrarian posts like yours are the mother's milk of AVS. Most of the opinions about Zero Dark Thirty I have seen that were as vigorously negative as yours have come from political partisans, who were offended. The left wingers went nuts because they thought the film endorsed torture and the right wing nuts went equally crazy because they thought the film cast the Obama administration in too favorable a light. Most of us here, even those with rather strong political opinions, didn't think either criticism was valid.
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post #128 of 251
2/1/13 at 9:23am
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Your post reminds me of an old story. Immediately after the end of World War II there was a gigantic parade in New York, with thousands of soldiers marching down Fifth Avenue. A mother in the crowd sights her son marching down the street and shouts, "Oh look, they're all out of step but Johnny!" just a little food for thought.smile.gif

More seriously, contrarian posts like yours are the mother's milk of AVS. Most of the opinions about Zero Dark Thirty I have seen that were as vigorously negative as yours have come from political partisans, who were offended. The left wingers went nuts because they thought the film endorsed torture and the right wing nuts went equally crazy because they thought the film cast the Obama administration in too favorable a light. Most of us here, even those with rather strong political opinions, didn't think either criticism was valid.

I just thought it was boring in the first half, second half was ok. Felt like a version of Contagion, which I liked. I can honestly say my dislike for it was due to being drowned in the story for the last decade and the current political climate being so binary, you're with me or against me, is really a turn off to everything it touches for me. ZDT included. Maybe in 20 years it'll be different.
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post #129 of 251
2/1/13 at 9:24am
I'd agree, essentially I thought it was barely ok, script wasn't spectacular, but overall the movie was not that impressive, and the raid wasn't particularly exciting either.
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post #130 of 251
2/1/13 at 10:29am
Previously, the STORY of the hunt for OBL has only been relayed in words.
This is the first time big budget filmmaking and visuals has been applied.
In that regard, it's attempt to tell the story with faux in situ is impressive.

It's also interesting to see the screenplay portray the known chapters of the real history, in spite of using artistic license with the material.
And there are areas where a fair amount of "artistic license" was used, no doubt there.
However, this isn't a documentary or even a docu-drama.
It is simply a movie INSPIRED by real events.
Taken as such, it is a fine achievement by KB and team.

Of course, YMMV.wink.gif
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post #131 of 251
2/1/13 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by windwaves View Post

I have not read any comments yet in this thread. I first wanted to post mine, then I will go through the others.

I can hardly believe that I fell for it. It was such an incredible marketing campaign, clearly aided by a huge topic (killing OBL !!!). The fact of the matter is that I did go see the movie at the theater, me who really hates theaters, never goes and always waits for the dvd . But this was too big for me to wait, like it happens once every 5 years or so, may be. I could not wait, too big. Moreover, there was such positive vibe around this title, even one of my best friends told me it was great. I decided to go.

Man what a horrendous movie, gigantic waste of time. I can hardly believe that these idiots got 3 hours of my attention (well I did nap a little here and there).

And yes, I am not just disappointed, I am upset ! This was a gigantic opportunity for a truly great movie, a great story of such importance. Instead we get this pathetic show of a read haired woman who cannot act for the love of god or I don't know who.

ZDT is a movie about how not to make a movie. Nothing is decent: terrible acting, terrible directing (come on), sound, and so far removed from reality.

To the director: go see black hawk down and learn, actually that is too high a standard for her. Go see pinocchio or something, or anything, and learn !!!!

As to the general opinion. I think, suspect (and hope) that the opinion of many was merely fogged by the subject matter, of epic importance !

In case anyone doubted that is indeed my "modest" opinion. I will go back and see what is said here.

While you are entitled to your opinion, I must say that you recommending KB to watch black hawk down makes me wonder if you thought this was supposed to be an action war film. I come from the intelligence background in the military and thought this film was well done. Won't say anymore.
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post #132 of 251
2/1/13 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

However, this [Zero Dark Thirty] isn't a documentary or even a docu-drama.
It is simply a movie INSPIRED by real events.
Taken as such, it is a fine achievement by KB and team.

Exactly! Those who expect to see a "message" in Zero Dark Thirty are doomed to disappointment. It is a piece of popular entertainment that does an outstanding job of examining the soul killing price to be paid for using harsh interrogation techniques on prisoners and setting afoot an operation to violently kill a man. Sure it is a war and the people who carried out the operation to kill Bin Laden were patriots doing their jobs but in doing so they had to do things that we citizens might be better off not knowing much about. The movie tells us in a dramatic and moving way that there is a price to be paid for doing such work.
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post #133 of 251
2/1/13 at 11:11am
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Exactly! Those who expect to see a "message" in Zero Dark Thirty are doomed to disappointment. It is a piece of popular entertainment that does an outstanding job of examining the soul killing price to be paid for using harsh interrogation techniques on prisoners and setting afoot an operation to violently kill a man. Sure it is a war and the people who carried out the operation to kill Bin Laden were patriots doing their jobs but in doing so they had to do things that we citizens might be better off not knowing much about. The movie tells us in a dramatic and moving way that there is a price to be paid for doing such work.
If anyone wants to say there is a "message" to be found in ZDT, you just nailed it.wink.gif
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post #134 of 251
2/1/13 at 11:18am
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Your post reminds me of an old story. Immediately after the end of World War II there was a gigantic parade in New York, with thousands of soldiers marching down Fifth Avenue. A mother in the crowd sights her son marching down the street and shouts, "Oh look, they're all out of step but Johnny!" just a little food for thought.smile.gif

More seriously, contrarian posts like yours are the mother's milk of AVS. Most of the opinions about Zero Dark Thirty I have seen that were as vigorously negative as yours have come from political partisans, who were offended. The left wingers went nuts because they thought the film endorsed torture and the right wing nuts went equally crazy because they thought the film cast the Obama administration in too favorable a light. Most of us here, even those with rather strong political opinions, didn't think either criticism was valid.

sorry to disappoint - NOTHING political about my post. ZERO. This is a movie and for me it's just about entertainment, well in this case at least . In fact I don't really even care that it was vastly inaccurate, irrelevant.

I think the director is simply worthless and the cast mediocre at best. I thought actually that the Hurt Locker was a gigantic crap as well. I mean it very seriously being well aware of how much many loved that one.
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post #135 of 251
2/1/13 at 11:26am
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I'd agree, essentially I thought it was barely ok, script wasn't spectacular, but overall the movie was not that impressive, and the raid wasn't particularly exciting either.

Allow me to be a bit stronger. Feels good smile.gif

I thought the raid was really really bad, I mean I could have fallen asleep during the raid just as well as during the rest of the movie. Nothing exciting in this movie, not the acting, not the images, not the story/ fact findings, not the music. I mean, yes, I have a strong opinion only because (a) I went to see it at the theater and (b) the artificail b/s hype around it.

Just to give you an idea of where I come from, my benchmark for an exceptional movie would be BHD. A fantastic movie from all of those perspectives. Each and every one. Well, lets face it, an unfair comparison of course !
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post #136 of 251
2/1/13 at 11:31am
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While you are entitled to your opinion, I must say that you recommending KB to watch black hawk down makes me wonder if you thought this was supposed to be an action war film. I come from the intelligence background in the military and thought this film was well done. Won't say anymore.

that is a good point. I did expect more action. But also more dynamics in general. Won't say anymore.
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post #137 of 251
2/1/13 at 11:36am
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sorry to disappoint - NOTHING political about my post. ZERO. This is a movie and for me it's just about entertainment, well in this case at least . In fact I don't really even care that it was vastly inaccurate, irrelevant.

I think the director is simply worthless and the cast mediocre at best. I thought actually that the Hurt Locker was a gigantic crap as well. I mean it very seriously being well aware of how much many loved that one.

Thanks for your courteous response. Nothing in your remarks made me suspect that your dislike of Zero dark Thirty was driven by political partisanship. My point was that many, although far from all, who disliked the film were motivated by political zeal. Your opinion demonstrates that the controversial nature of Zero Dark Thirty stems from more than politics. I was surprised, though, that you didn't even like Jessica Chastain's performance. It really moved me.
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post #138 of 251
2/1/13 at 1:28pm
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I think the director is simply worthless and the cast mediocre at best. I thought actually that the Hurt Locker was a gigantic crap as well. I mean it very seriously being well aware of how much many loved that one.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I fail to understand the demeaning tone directed to those involved in the making of this film. I love movies, but I never get upset if one doesn't live up to my expectations. It seems your tastes differ from the mainstream, by quite a margin, and may be best served to avoid Kathryn Bigelow, and Jessica Chastain, films in the future.
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post #139 of 251
2/1/13 at 1:33pm
This makes everything in this discussion or thread or movie pale by comparison:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/pilot-brian-baldwin-delivers-letter_n_2600241.html
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post #140 of 251
2/1/13 at 1:48pm
Thanks for posting the link. I know not to click it.
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post #141 of 251
2/1/13 at 2:12pm
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If anyone wants to say there is a "message" to be found in ZDT, you just nailed it.wink.gif

If there is a message in Zero Dark Thirty it is that there is a heavy emotional price to be paid in doing warfare's dirtier jobs. We have agreed before, though, that there is no political message in the film.
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post #142 of 251
2/1/13 at 2:21pm
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Thanks for posting the link. I know not to click it.
I am not sure what you mean, but try this one instead:
http://articles.ktuu.com/2013-01-27/mac-plans_36602989#.UQtPNmGp5sY.reddit
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post #143 of 251
2/1/13 at 3:57pm
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I am not sure what you mean, but try this one instead:
http://articles.ktuu.com/2013-01-27/mac-plans_36602989#.UQtPNmGp5sY.reddit

Good story.
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post #144 of 251
2/1/13 at 4:11pm
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If there is a message in Zero Dark Thirty it is that there is a heavy emotional price to be paid in doing warfare's dirtier jobs. We have agreed before, though, that there is no political message in the film.

You are 100% right on the emotional part.

People have to stop comparing this to BHD. Mog's combat environment is COMPLETELY different from the raid on the UBL facility. Yes I was irked at some of the things they did during the raid but I would sya FROM my experiences, it was one of the finer examples of how a raid should've gone.

I can understand though how some people want war films to be completely action filled with guys dropping mags like there is no tomorrow. "Real" war films aren't very popular and are considered boring by many IE: Generation Kill for one(Great series if you really want to see how the USMC is). Let me tell you this, I don't know many people, if not any at all, who have used more than 1 magazine in combat... (From ODS, OIF, OEF, and that silly new name for Iraq). Who knows maybe that will change when Operation Irani Freedom arrives biggrin.gif
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post #145 of 251
2/1/13 at 4:16pm
Prime example of the binary thought process. There is no message. Yes there is screw you. No screw you.
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post #146 of 251
2/1/13 at 5:08pm
ok? Lol
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post #147 of 251
2/1/13 at 5:54pm
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People have to stop comparing this to BHD.
Agreed, the focus of these 2 movies are not the same.
Scott and KB were going for very different things.

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when Operation Irani Freedom arrives biggrin.gif
God, I hope not.

Any overt operation would unleash a whirlwind like no other...
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post #148 of 251
2/1/13 at 10:42pm
I don't know what it is about this film that gets people so wound up.

Hard to understand the amount of antithapy directed at this very fine movie.
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post #149 of 251
2/2/13 at 12:15am
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I don't know what it is about this film that gets people so wound up.

Hard to understand the amount of antithapy directed at this very fine movie.
It really ISN'T about the movie.....wink.gif
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post #150 of 251
2/2/13 at 6:30am
It's ok to like or dislike this movie. Really.
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