Originally Posted by mastermaybe
Clear to all but you, apparently. Your interpretation of it defies reason and the language, itself. Re the latter: yeah, no one has stated and/or implied that some do not care for "reference" because they have not heard it properly reproduced. You can't make this shtuff up, lmao.
Still, this continues.
Moving on (again) to what folks think about reference level volume, please.
Maybe I can give a little insight as to my feelings on the subject. I read the question at the beginning of the thread, and I answered basically reference is not too loud and I probably should have answered not loud enough. That was the poll answer. As to why I feel this way, well, I seem to go by how I feel in my "gut". I can only go back to the concert venues and large scale shows like the ones in Disney World including the fireworks displays. I have tried my hardest to listen and view these shows on tv's and laptops without ample audio equipment and something is definitely missing. I have showed my friends and family movies that were just shown on the tv and -when they saw the same movie on my system, they actually had to ask me if they had really seen the movie before- Titannic, Spiderman3, Armageddon, and Transformers come to mind. There just seems to be a certain " je ne sais quoi " to all this. I guess in order to really feel as if you are on the Titannic, it should sound as if " 52,310 tons. The Titanic's weight was a whopping 52,310 tons " of steel is actually being ripped apart and you become immersed in the moment. The sounds of inch thick steel plates twisting and snapping is most probably louder than one would truly want to experience along with thousands of passengers screaming for their lives-bells, whistles, footsteps clanking chains and doors etc. Without the sonic impact, the whole experience is just another movie. I have 5 separate Systems in my home, each one has its benefits. One is for convenience, one is for my convenience only, one is for all of us to kick back and just enjoy anytime, one is for all the kids outiside when playing and having parties, and my HT is where we really watch the movies. All of them can crank the SPL's. When given a choice, all of my kids and my friends choose the HT. I do not know if it is because they want to hear it louder or clearer or what, but when they go up there and see the popcorn machine and the curtains and all the cloumns and lights, no one has ever asked me to turn it down. Most of the time, it just coasts along- 95-100dB, but when buildings fall and trains crash- the LFE kicks in and the SPLs tear you up.You feel it in your chest and in the seat. The pressure wave actually feels like it touches you. This is what I was looking for, and I got it on the first try. And when it does do its' thing, it is effortlessy. I am happy with my system as is, but I do still want more. I want more headroom, better imaging, quieter noise floor and just all around complete finish of the room. This is a hobby and pretty much my main hobby. It would not do me justice if I bought another speaker for that room if it did not improve the SQ or the potential SPL or both. Like many have eluded to the Ferrari, it would seem that if someone spent a ton of time and money building a dedicated HT , it should at least be able to outperform the system that was bought and placed in an existing room. Remember this is DIY Speakers and Subs, and I think it should take into account that if someone is willing to put so much effort into building some of the Speakers and Subs you see on this forum, Horsepower and SQ of the entire Theater and System should be expected to be brought up. Those things go hand in hand. Back to work, so I will check back later.