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post #1201 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

^^^^ honestly I'm surprised at how amateur and cheaply made those crossovers look. Guys over in the DIY section make better looking crossovers then the ones in your Enzo's.
And I say that as someone that is still interested in actually buying some Pendragons.

The most important thing to me with any speaker, is how does it sound.
I have never worried what crossover is in there. it is the sound in the end that matters most.
I am sure 99% of people listening to 2 different speakers would pick the one that sounds the best to them, no matter whats inside.

You could have the fanciest crossover in the world and end up with a poor sounding speaker as I think the art is in the design and how it works that really matters.
Edited by rocky500 - 9/7/13 at 9:31pm
post #1202 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

^^^^ honestly I'm surprised at how amateur and cheaply made those crossovers look. Guys over in the DIY section make better looking crossovers then the ones in your Enzo's.
And I say that as someone that is still interested in actually buying some Pendragons.

Please post crossovers from non diy at around the same price as pendragons so we can see what better ones look like. How.can you tell the components are lesser ? Cheap brands ?
post #1203 of 1749
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Please post crossovers from non diy at around the same price as pendragons so we can see what better ones look like. How.can you tell the components are lesser ? Cheap brands ?

Sorry where did I say he was using cheap components? All I said is that they look like crap for speakers that cost that much. I guess some speaker builders just take more pride in how their crossovers look then others.

I agree with others that as long as it doesn't affect the sound it really shouldn't matter, but at the same time I think it also says a little something about the person building the speakers.
post #1204 of 1749
Click on this link
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/assembled-crossovers.html

Any of the crossovers look 10x better then the picture posted of the Enzo crossovers and they are all designed just as well as the ones in the Enzo's. how hard would it be to take a little time and make the crossovers look a little more professional?
post #1205 of 1749
I really think it boils down to how does the speaker sound that really says something about the person building the speakers.

Those JTR speakers use a lot of connectors, plugs and circuit boards. I for one would prefer point to point wiring and soldered straight on without connectors in the long run but again it would really be the sound that is important.

A JTR crossover. From what I read they are great sounding speakers too.
http://i.imgur.com/YhEYMOE.jpg
Edited by rocky500 - 9/7/13 at 10:08pm
post #1206 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Sorry where did I say he was using cheap components? All I said is that they look like crap for speakers that cost that much. I guess some speaker builders just take more pride in how their crossovers look then others.

I agree with others that as long as it doesn't affect the sound it really shouldn't matter, but at the same time I think it also says a little something about the person building the speakers.
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I know nothing about how crossovers work with all the components . If they are dangling and could cause a problem then that's a valid point. Again I don't know . As to taking an internal piece the customer doesn't see and making the leap that it shows his caring for build quality I would disagree . My tektons are of quality build in there Joinery and fit and finish . I can expertly give that opinion being a professional cabinetmaker before I started teaching . When I built high end furniture I didn't care about glue stains that the customer could never see. I spent time on the parts they could see but never cut corners with build quality . If his crossovers should be more orderly or wires neater and that effects the long term health of the crossover ( I have no idea if it does) then I totally agree with you.
Edited by chalugadp - 9/7/13 at 10:12pm
post #1207 of 1749
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Originally Posted by rocky500 View Post

I really think it boils down to how does the speaker sound that really says something about the person building the speakers.

Those JTR speakers use a lot of connectors, plugs and circuit boards. I for one would prefer point to point wiring and soldered straight on without connectors in the long run but again it would really be the sound that is important.

LOL....and do you think that really makes a difference?
As long as all of the connectors have good solid connections made it won't make any difference.

This is also what makes me laugh when guys buy really expensive speaker cables and then you see the crossovers and its just standard stranded wire inside the speakers. So basically unless they plan on pulling their crossovers apart and using some of the fancy wire inside of the crossovers it's all for nothing. The power from the amps that passes thru those highend cables still has to pass thru that regular stranded wire.
post #1208 of 1749
I agree about the cables. All mine together are under a 100$ !
post #1209 of 1749
No I don't think it really matters, that was sort of the point I was trying to make.
There is some JTR speakers advertised locally here in Australia 2nd hand that I would love to try them out but unfortunately they are in another state.
I have read a lot of good things about them especially from owners in the forums.
Edited by rocky500 - 9/7/13 at 10:52pm
post #1210 of 1749
JTR are great speakers, and I love mine but I really wanna try a pair of the Pendragons for music on my main floor. But I'm going to wait a few months for some things to blow over and I really need grills so that's another reason why I wouldn't order any right now. I need to here about guys actually starting to get some, especially some of the guys that paid for some over a year ago.

IMO it's still a little disappointing to see that the crossovers aren't a little more refined in their assembly quality. I know it's a minor detail, but it still says a little something to me.
post #1211 of 1749
Just looked up the add for the local JTR's and I have 2nd thoughts now only because of there weight. 125lbs each. Ouch as I have put my back out a few times and want to keep away from anything that may aggravate it again.
Hopefully someone local might buy some and I can go for a listen.
post #1212 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

JTR are great speakers, and I love mine but I really wanna try a pair of the Pendragons for music on my main floor. But I'm going to wait a few months for some things to blow over and I really need grills so that's another reason why I wouldn't order any right now. I need to here about guys actually starting to get some, especially some of the guys that paid for some over a year ago.

IMO it's still a little disappointing to see that the crossovers aren't a little more refined in their assembly quality. I know it's a minor detail, but it still says a little something to me.
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My pendragon centre is the same as the full pendragon minus some bass extension . The vocals and instruments would be the same except bass guitar . I want to hear the jtrs so maybe I should bring mine over to you and compare . Not an ideal situation with one per side but a lot better then comparing reviews . Could definitely put as centre channel and see the difference .
post #1213 of 1749
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

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My pendragon centre is the same as the full pendragon minus some bass extension . The vocals and instruments would be the same except bass guitar . I want to hear the jtrs so maybe I should bring mine over to you and compare . Not an ideal situation with one per side but a lot better then comparing reviews . Could definitely put as centre channel and see the difference .

Yeah we could do that, or I could bring mine over to your place.
Even with missing some of the bass extension of the tower Pendragon's I still think your centre channel will play deeper then mine. The 228ht's will only play down to 70hz as that's all they have been designed for. I would love to compare the two though.
post #1214 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Yeah we could do that, or I could bring mine over to your place.
Even with missing some of the bass extension of the tower Pendragon's I still think your centre channel will play deeper then mine. The 228ht's will only play down to 70hz as that's all they have been designed for. I would love to compare the two though.

I have the crossover set to 90 hz for my pendragon . I find with it set lower that the voices resonate at high volumes. I don't think I am missing much setting it higher. Just my personal preference . What do you have for electronics ? I have emotiva umc200 and parasound 2205a amp with 220 Watts a channel . No room treatments in my living room . The space is 14 by 28 but the living room part is 14 by 18 with dining room beside . I know.you have home theater room. We could have unofficial shootout . Start our own thread. Pretty sure yours would best mine but I hope I could stay close. Do you place yours on stands ?

Either place is fine to me. My tv is on a stand low not on the wall so yours would block the tv ... not that its too important though.
post #1215 of 1749
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Originally Posted by daxriggs View Post

Chu Gai, I've got a pair of the Pendragons and they are the bomb yo. Even using ghetto terms, my opinion holds much more credence than yours. I own them. Didn't order grills, but got the speakers in 6 weeks or so. Took 2 months for the subwoofer. You sound like a deluded old man that has been lied to and screwed over so much in life that he's skeptical of everything and everyone. My dad was like you. Go here, http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/, It's more your speed. I agree that the grill issue needs to and should have already been resolved, but every post I read from you is so negative, It's almost like someone that wants Tekton to fail paid you to write them smile.gif

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Originally Posted by daxriggs View Post

He has personally attacked Andrew Robinson and Eric Alexander.

Wow, daxriggs! You've got a total of 4 posts, and you've personally attacked me twice. What's up with that? Now why don't you go on over to those two guy and give the courtesy of a reach around to show them just how much care? Tell Robinson, who owns a pair of Tektons that he didn't have to pay for just how much you believe everything that he writes when he said months ago that soon production times will only be a couple of weeks. He spoke to Eric and I didn't so he knows the truth. And also thanks for that Pendragon review about them being the bomb, yo! Couldn't have said it any better.
post #1216 of 1749
Chu once again you let your bias and negative mindset color your " facts " . It kind of shows with dax how far you are from reality that this dude zones in on u. Ar did pay for his speakers as I asked eric when I bought mine. Eric was adamant that no pro reviewer got freebies . Of. Course your response will be "how can you believe that " . Andrew had stated he paid for them as well . As for the production times Andrew was definitely wrong about that , a mistake you harp on over and over about him. I remember you making the mistake of saying how he was already working for emotiva when he gave his review of the umc200 . I am sure I could find a dozen other "mistakes " you have made if I looked through everyone of your posts .. but hey your Teflon .

At least your spread your bullseyes around. You slam Dan at emo , and are your local chapter president of conspiracy club night. Keep slamming people without facts or first hand knowledge but simply with your perceived higher level thinking skills and I will continue to point out that you are a fraud
post #1217 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

^^^^ honestly I'm surprised at how amateur and cheaply made those crossovers look. Guys over in the DIY section make better looking crossovers then the ones in your Enzo's.
And I say that as someone that is still interested in actually buying some Pendragons.
Honestly man, the XO in the Enzos look good. Nothing extra but that is a hell of a lot better quality then was in my DefTech Mythos ST. Jeff has us all spoiled with his standard XO quality that any other company would charge extra for. That's No BS either. It is not really fair to compare what JTRs XO look like compared to others.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 9/8/13 at 9:02am
post #1218 of 1749
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

I have the crossover set to 90 hz for my pendragon . I find with it set lower that the voices resonate at high volumes. I don't think I am missing much setting it higher. Just my personal preference . What do you have for electronics ? I have emotiva umc200 and parasound 2205a amp with 220 Watts a channel . No room treatments in my living room . The space is 14 by 28 but the living room part is 14 by 18 with dining room beside . I know.you have home theater room. We could have unofficial shootout . Start our own thread. Pretty sure yours would best mine but I hope I could stay close. Do you place yours on stands ?

Either place is fine to me. My tv is on a stand low not on the wall so yours would block the tv ... not that its too important though.

Yeah I would love to have a mini shootout. We'll definitely have to figure out when and where we could do that. Mine place would work well but you might want to bring over one of your amps too.
post #1219 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Yeah I would love to have a mini shootout. We'll definitely have to figure out when and where we could do that. Mine place would work well but you might want to bring over one of your amps too.

Ok., your place and I'll bring amp. Pm with times that work for you. I am pretty flexible . Lets make sure we can.crank it up. I want to hear those jtr roar !
post #1220 of 1749
No responses at all which makes it appear no one is having speakers delivered. The hard thing here is that there are virtually no worthwhile choices left to me in this price range, that will meet my needs. Most unfortunate, given my situation.


John

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Originally Posted by John Clark View Post

I've managed to fight my way through this entire thread and find myself with one essential question. For those of you who have ordered Enzo's in recent months, have they been delivered to you? And no, I don't care about grills ( I don't use them). Earlier tonight on E-Bay, I lost out, with three seconds left, no less, on a pair of Zu speakers that I really, really wanted. These particular speakers wont be available again, as they haven't been made in several years, and Zu was only selling them for a friend in the business. Given that I unfortunately missed out on those, the Enzo's are likely my only remaining truly desirable, and usable option in this price range. I would also have considered the Seas Pendragons, but based on comments, it seems the Enzo's have surpassed those, and the smaller footprint would work better for my situation.

I am hoping that they are able to be ordered and received within a three to four month window.


John
post #1221 of 1749
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Chu once again you let your bias and negative mindset color your " facts " . It kind of shows with dax how far you are from reality that this dude zones in on u. Ar did pay for his speakers as I asked eric when I bought mine. Eric was adamant that no pro reviewer got freebies . Of. Course your response will be "how can you believe that " . Andrew had stated he paid for them as well . As for the production times Andrew was definitely wrong about that , a mistake you harp on over and over about him. I remember you making the mistake of saying how he was already working for emotiva when he gave his review of the umc200 . I am sure I could find a dozen other "mistakes " you have made if I looked through everyone of your posts .. but hey your Teflon .

At least your spread your bullseyes around. You slam Dan at emo , and are your local chapter president of conspiracy club night. Keep slamming people without facts or first hand knowledge but simply with your perceived higher level thinking skills and I will continue to point out that you are a fraud
Andrew stated that he paid for one pair and another pair was given that was to be used in another business, producing or something along those lines, that he was/is involved in. You're welcome to find a dozen mistakes. And don't mistake conspiracy and conflate it with recusing oneself from 'reviewing' when one has a vested interest in something. Ethics and all that my good man!
post #1222 of 1749
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Originally Posted by John Clark View Post

No responses at all which makes it appear no one is having speakers delivered. The hard thing here is that there are virtually no worthwhile choices left to me in this price range, that will meet my needs. Most unfortunate, given my situation.


John
I ordered my set of Pendradons with a center speaker 5 weeks ago. They are being shipped today. Still no grills, but I will order them once they come available.
post #1223 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Inspectr View Post

I ordered my set of Pendradons with a center speaker 5 weeks ago. They are being shipped today. Still no grills, but I will order them once they come available.
Let us know what you think of them. Just remember that centre takes a while to settle in. Mine sounded like the sound was fading in and out at first but settled down later on. Also the 2 mains like a bit of width between them. What colour did you get?
post #1224 of 1749
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Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

Let us know what you think of them. Just remember that centre takes a while to settle in. Mine sounded like the sound was fading in and out at first but settled down later on. Also the 2 mains like a bit of width between them. What colour did you get?
I got the flat black ones w/a clear coats applied.
I plan on having 8 feet between them, can maybe go up to 10. How much space do you have? What is your xo frequency set at?
post #1225 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Inspectr View Post

[quote name="nb67" url="/t/1446325/tekton-pendragon/1200#post_23716917"]Let us know what you think of them. Just remember that centre takes a while to settle in. Mine sounded like the sound was fading in and out at first but settled down later on. Also the 2 mains like a bit of width between them. What colour did you get?[/quote]I got the flat black ones w/a clear coats applied.I plan on having 8 feet between them, can maybe go up to 10. How much space do you have? What is your xo frequency set at?

I.have the center channel and I cross it.over at 90 hz even though its capable of going lower I find it sounds best there .
post #1226 of 1749
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I wouldn't base my buying decisions on some VERY SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS that can change on a dime.

I would look at the other Tekton threads in AVS & Audioholics and read about their "quality" or LACK OF. biggrin.gif

For this budget, quality monitors + quality subs is the way to go IMO.

I have one word - SPECIALIZATION. Let the monitors do what they do best - midrange & treble. Why make your speakers stress out and distort over bass? Let the subs do what they do best - bass.

None of these towers will come close to equalling the bass quality and quantity of subs like Rythmik, HSU, SVS, PSA, etc.

Or do what I did. Get full range towers and use a sub too. There were no takers to let me hear the Pens locally, so I ended up going with another brand. Right now, I am crossing the sub at 40 Hz (the lowest my Denon AVR will allow). Does it sound good? Yes. Does it sound better than my previous monitor bookshelves and sub combo? Well, yes. Is the bass more musical? Check. smile.gif
post #1227 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Inspectr View Post

I got the flat black ones w/a clear coats applied.
I plan on having 8 feet between them, can maybe go up to 10. How much space do you have? What is your xo frequency set at?

I have about 11 feet between the mains, toed in just right they make a fantastic center image in 2 channel stereo. Audyssey wanted to cross everything at 40hz but as chalugadp mentioned for the center, higher is better. Mines crossed at 80hz, well I crossed everything at 80hz and let my 4 subs pound out a beat for HT but for 2 channel stereo I let the Pendragons do their thing, no sub needed.
post #1228 of 1749
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Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

I have about 11 feet between the mains, toed in just right they make a fantastic center image in 2 channel stereo. Audyssey wanted to cross everything at 40hz but as chalugadp mentioned for the center, higher is better. Mines crossed at 80hz, well I crossed everything at 80hz and let my 4 subs pound out a beat for HT but for 2 channel stereo I let the Pendragons do their thing, no sub needed.

Nb how do you think the pendragon center will do against the jtr noesis 228 ? Should be an interesting battle
post #1229 of 1749
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Nb how do you think the pendragon center will do against the jtr noesis 228 ? Should be an interesting battle

Just make sure you bring some ear plugs, because when it happens its gonna get LOUD!...lol
post #1230 of 1749
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

[quote name="chalugadp" url="/t/1446325/tekton-pendragon/1200#post_23718959"]Nb how do you think the pendragon center will do against the jtr noesis 228 ? Should be an interesting battle[/quote]Just make sure you bring some ear plugs, because when it happens its gonna get LOUD!...lol

You got me.over 100db for sure but 90-100db should.be interesting tongue.gif
Should.we.each bring a friend to bring some outside opinion ? Maybe follow some of the guidelines that home theater shack did with there shootout .
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