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post #1291 of 1749
What’s confusing about this thread is that it was meant to be for PENDRAGON owners but people are posting on here about the M-Lores tweeters and other crap. There is a separate thread for that model people.
post #1292 of 1749
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Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

What’s confusing about this thread is that it was meant to be for PENDRAGON owners but people are posting on here about the M-Lores tweeters and other crap. There is a separate thread for that model people.

Well I'm guessing that's because no one ever bothered to start an official Tekton thread and this thread seems to get the most responses. What's even funnier is guys getting their noses bent out of joint because someone posts a comment about a Tekton speaker in this thread other then the Pendragon's...lol
post #1293 of 1749
Yep, everyone on here that bought $2700 Pendragons came from $100 HTIB system. That sounds about right - lol
I went from a 5 channel Anthony Gallo Reference Strada's. They sounded great in my condo but when I moved into a open floor plan home, the sound really diminished.
I did an A and B comparison with the Pendragons, I know apples and oranges, but the Strada's were almost embarrassing. They sounded so tiny and undefined, that if someone can over for a demo to buy the Anthony Gallo's they sounded like $100 speakers.
So in power, sound stage and dynamics, I found what I was looking for in the Tektons. I listen to music in two channel and sometimes forget that they are still in stereo mode when watching TV. And they are 15 feet apart.
One year so far and I am very pleased with them. Though I am sure there are other speakers in the market I would also enjoy equally.
Edited by scottvamp - 9/24/13 at 9:57am
post #1294 of 1749
While not the Pendragons, I own the M-Lores and also own some speakers that the readers of this site would likely deem audiophile grade speakers. I find it hard to quibble about the sound of the speakers when the experience is so subjective. Ideally, I want my speakers to measure flat (that's why I purchased Philharmonic, KEF, EMPTek), but I also believe that speakers that aren't entirely flat can also sound good. I bought my Tekton speakers on a whim. I enjoy them. Are they on par with my Phil 2s, not really, but that's not why I got them. I think they provide ample volume and good sound for my home office. I also intend on purchasing some Cambridge speakers for a small loft area, will they compare to my other "audiophile" speakers? Perhaps, but I don't entirely care. I'm acquiring them for a specific purpose.

If Tekton's business practices weren't subject to the warranted scrutiny they are receiving for lackluster delivery times and failure to deliver ordered product, then I don't think the speakers themselves would be receiving the scorn of so many here. Nonetheless, I would never feel the need to defend a product I purchased from someone who doesn't like it. It kind of reminds me of the PC vs. Mac, iOS vs Android and Benz vs BMW debates. As I'm not the manufacturer, I do not take offense to someone not liking any given product I purchase, even if that person has not experienced the product.
Edited by VicTorious1 - 9/24/13 at 5:46pm
post #1295 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

Yep, everyone on here that bought $2700 Pendragons came from $100 HTIB system. That sounds about right - lol

You fall into the other group of posters: recent additions to AVS with low post counts for whom the majority (and often, as in your case, the first) post is on this thread.
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I did an A and B comparison with the Pendragons, I know apples and oranges, but the Strada's were almost embarrassing. They sounded so tiny and undefined, that if someone can over for a demo to buy the Anthony Gallo's they sounded like $100 speakers.
+11db has a tendency to do that. biggrin.gif

The Gallo speakers are also only 40% of the cost, and that's after paying for brand name the choice of B&M outlets... generally it's only the lowest end (Pioneer, Infinity, Behringer, etc) where the B&M brands can go dollar-to-dollar with direct sale designs.

So no, you aren't coming from a $100 HtiB, but I don't think you are as far removed from that is you believe.
post #1296 of 1749
I only had the Tekton Lores at the same time I had a pair of Proac D15's and B&W 703's.
I preferred the Tektons at the time. They were more open and dynamic than the others. It was just my preference at the time with my electronics and my room.
Sold the Proacs and B&W's after hearing the tektons.
Edited by rocky500 - 9/25/13 at 1:32am
post #1297 of 1749
Before the AG's i have only had Polk RT's and B&W's. I am by no means wealthy and enjoy the value of these new found ID companies.
I never put much merit on forums just because the "elders" (high posters) say something and it shall be written in stone.
I was on the Polk forum for 6 years and was personaly threatened because the "elders" believed that because they invested loads on money into HD DVD that it win the format war. That fact that I disagreed that Blu-ray would win the war made me a target.
We all know how that turned out. I am not on forums to argue but help other out in this hobbie and learn as much as i can in the process. Forum elders are usually rude and half the time have no clue what they are talking about. Just because someone has no life and spends half their days on forums, I take it all with a grain of salt......
post #1298 of 1749
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Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

What’s confusing about this thread is that it was meant to be for PENDRAGON owners but people are posting on here about the M-Lores tweeters and other crap. There is a separate thread for that model people.
I agree nb67. I would like to see more pics with the Pens and setups. Just put mine on some VTI glass 3" stands. Noticed a slight improvement in detail from having them spiked on the carpet. I will have to take a decent pic.
post #1299 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

I never put much merit on forums just because the "elders" (high posters) say something and it shall be written in stone.
I wouldn't put it quite like that. There are people here who are involved in the industry and highly educated/knowledgable. It's not a matter of post count, although one could say that the post count can be correlated to experience and knowledge.
post #1300 of 1749
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Originally Posted by bo130 View Post

I wouldn't put it quite like that. There are people here who are involved in the industry and highly educated/knowledgable. It's not a matter of post count, although one could say that the post count can be correlated to experience and knowledge.
That's the very problem as in my example with HD DVD. Many times if I listened to high count members, it sometimes is not the best route. I always try to do research from various outlets.
Some people are so involved that they almost always have some kind hidden agenda.
I recently has a struggle with placement of dual subs. The concenus said to have the placed up front a quarter in from the walls. After trying that for awhile, I ended up with what my personal experience told me and stacked them in one of the front corners and ended up much more satisfied with the bass response.
Environments and perception vary from one person to another. I would never tell someone how their speakers or an amp sounds with out hearing it for myself.
post #1301 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

Some people are so involved that they almost always have some kind hidden agenda.

Some do. But there are also some established facts. Such as the debate I had running before relating to db sensitivity and watt input. However, in that case you had someone basically come apart at the seams when they were informed.
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I recently has a struggle with placement of dual subs. The concenus said to have the placed up front a quarter in from the walls. After trying that for awhile, I ended up with what my personal experience told me and stacked them in one of the front corners and ended up much more satisfied with the bass response. Environments and perception vary from one person to another. I would never tell someone how their speakers or an amp sounds with out hearing it for myself.

Someone's room and the acoustics within it is a huge factor in the sound that one perceives, and how speakers sound is a matter of subjective impression. A well-designed solid state amp functioning under clipping will not influence the sound.
post #1302 of 1749
The HD-DVD/BluRay debate wars were very vocal and mean spirited on both sides.having lived through the VHS/Beta wars, it seemed to me the prudent course of action was to just wait it out. I think the tipping point was the adult entertainment industry settling on BluRay. Now, they're pretty much commodity items. Although there were some bona fide experts who weighed in, the arguments were overwhelmingly populated by enthusiasts.No different than Mustang2Corvette, Apple/IBM, iPhone/Android, and so forth. Frankly, it didn't seem to a wise move to be an early adopter. So, I really don't get what you're getting at with this high court comment, Scott. WRT Tekton, there hasn't been a sentiment that the speakers sucked. Rather that Eric Alexander has made a habit of misleading people and as a businessman, he's a bit of a douche.

As to hearing more detail after spiking your speakers that could be due to any number of factors.
1) You've changed the height which could also be achieved with a phone book.
2) As you listen to something more than once, you hear deeper into the music.
3) Self delusion.

So what does th FR at the listening position look like with the new placement for your subs?
post #1303 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

The HD-DVD/BluRay debate wars were very vocal and mean spirited on both sides.having lived through the VHS/Beta wars, it seemed to me the prudent course of action was to just wait it out. I think the tipping point was the adult entertainment industry settling on BluRay. Now, they're pretty much commodity items. Although there were some bona fide experts who weighed in, the arguments were overwhelmingly populated by enthusiasts.No different than Mustang2Corvette, Apple/IBM, iPhone/Android, and so forth. Frankly, it didn't seem to a wise move to be an early adopter. So, I really don't get what you're getting at with this high court comment, Scott. WRT Tekton, there hasn't been a sentiment that the speakers sucked. Rather that Eric Alexander has made a habit of misleading people and as a businessman, he's a bit of a douche.

As to hearing more detail after spiking your speakers that could be due to any number of factors.
1) You've changed the height which could also be achieved with a phone book.
2) As you listen to something more than once, you hear deeper into the music.
3) Self delusion.

So what does th FR at the listening position look like with the new placement for your subs?


LOL. Chu-Gai is the funniest guy on these audio forums no doubt.
post #1304 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

I think the tipping point was the adult entertainment industry settling on BluRay.

I really don't have much time to reply on these forums due to working 50 hours a week year round. But you have just shown me your forum troll card. The "porn industry" had nothing to do with the format war. That was made up though these type of forums by Xbox fan boys. The "porn industry" has many production companies within itself. Nobody was going to spend $50 on 2 hour Hi Def porn so we can see ingrown hairs on some chicks va j j. There is all the free porn we can handle on the internet. I followed the war, and the final nail in HD DVD's coffin was the Disney/Pixar agreement of going Blu. The irony is the made up porn scandal vs the truth Disney. Which tells me that you do no research and just troll forums. That is fine but at least I know now.

Your right, I just realized it would have been cheaper to just use a phone book.rolleyes.gif

To be honest I do not spend what little free time I have measuring my equipment. I usually listen to music and watch movies. That is why I got into this hobby. Measurements will only tell half the story of what is going on most of the time. I like to use my ears and common sense. wink.gif Flame on Chu Gai
post #1305 of 1749
Took a pic of my Pendragon on top of my phone book;) I like the look myself, noticed a slight increase in clarity on the front stage. I am using Emotiva wires. They seemed to be a good bargain.
post #1306 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

Took a pic of my Pendragon on top of my phone book;) I like the look myself, noticed a slight increase in clarity on the front stage. I am using Emotiva wires. They seemed to be a good bargain.
post #1307 of 1749

I may need to sit my speakers on something also. Right now I'm trying to get the positioned correctly, and they're hard to move in half inch increments..
The glass is a good idea
post #1308 of 1749
Inspectr How big is your screen?
post #1309 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

I really don't have much time to reply on these forums due to working 50 hours a week year round. But you have just shown me your forum troll card. The "porn industry" had nothing to do with the format war. That was made up though these type of forums by Xbox fan boys. The "porn industry" has many production companies within itself. Nobody was going to spend $50 on 2 hour Hi Def porn so we can see ingrown hairs on some chicks va j j. There is all the free porn we can handle on the internet. I followed the war, and the final nail in HD DVD's coffin was the Disney/Pixar agreement of going Blu. The irony is the made up porn scandal vs the truth Disney. Which tells me that you do no research and just troll forums. That is fine but at least I know now.
Your superficial analysis which trivializes the impact of the porn industry in casting its vote is not shared by many. For example, this article, http://www.macworld.com/article/1050627/pornhd.html makes note that the research firm, Gartner, believed it to be a significant factor. And really, must you resort to using terms such as troll? It's so childish and possibly suggests an inability to carry on a rational, adult discussion by looking to label people.
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Your right, I just realized it would have been cheaper to just use a phone book.rolleyes.gif
Perhaps the sundry points were lost on you?
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To be honest I do not spend what little free time I have measuring my equipment. I usually listen to music and watch movies. That is why I got into this hobby. Measurements will only tell half the story of what is going on most of the time. I like to use my ears and common sense. wink.gif Flame on Chu Gai
So, you have no idea what the low end FR is at the listening position and how it might be improved since you never measured because you only work 50 hours a week.
post #1310 of 1749
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Originally Posted by daneckert View Post

Inspectr How big is your screen?
It's 70 inches.

I have to rearrange some furniture so that I can spread the Pens apart a lil more. Right now I have them 84 inches apart.
post #1311 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Inspectr View Post


I may need to sit my speakers on something also. Right now I'm trying to get the positioned correctly, and they're hard to move in half inch increments..
The glass is a good idea

Awesome setup Inspectr, you should have seen me trying to position the Pens on the glass stands straight and toeing them in at the same time - lol I put small clear plastic feet where the spikes went, so they stick really nice on the glass. I have 10 foot ceilings so the Pens almost look short. My 92" projection screen hangs centered over the tv, as you can see by the board over top.
post #1312 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

Before the AG's i have only had Polk RT's and B&W's. I am by no means wealthy and enjoy the value of these new found ID companies.

Without you having said which model of B&W, this could still leave the Gallo's at the top of your previous experience.
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I never put much merit on forums just because the "elders" (high posters) say something and it shall be written in stone.

Ignoring the straw-man fallacy (you managed two in one sentence): it makes one wonder where you do put merit.

High-count posters with long histories who have not put the majority of their posts on a single thread are less likely to be astroturfing.
post #1313 of 1749
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Originally Posted by scottvamp View Post

Took a pic of my Pendragon on top of my phone book;) I like the look myself, noticed a slight increase in clarity on the front stage. I am using Emotiva wires. They seemed to be a good bargain.

That looks nice! I replaced the my spikes with viablue brand as I didn't care for the ones that came with the speakers. I see yours has the Tekon logo. Man, I got the earlier model which didn't have those.
post #1314 of 1749
Thanks, the stands also make nice amp racks and hold up to 300lbs. The logo is pretty small. I have seen some pics of the early Pens that were actually ported in the front of the speaker close to where the Tekton badge is.
Edited by scottvamp - 9/26/13 at 12:24pm
post #1315 of 1749
I ordered Seas Pendragon yesterday. Eric told me that they do not charge the credit card until the speakers are in the box and ready for shipment. It is somewhat surprising that you paid in advance and over seven months ago. Is there someone else who has been waiting for his/her speaker set for such a long time? Like to know; and wondering have I made a mistake? According to Eric I should get my speakers in 4-5 weeks.
post #1316 of 1749
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Originally Posted by BigDADY View Post

I ordered Seas Pendragon yesterday. Eric told me that they do not charge the credit card until the speakers are in the box and ready for shipment. It is somewhat surprising that you paid in advance and over seven months ago. Is there someone else who has been waiting for his/her speaker set for such a long time? Like to know; and wondering have I made a mistake? According to Eric I should get my speakers in 4-5 weeks.

Did you order them with or without grills? You are aware of all the grill problems with Tekton right?

Man I still want to order some Pendragon's just to hear them, planning on building a nice 2-channel setup on my main floor but I'm still waiting till people are actually getting grills.
post #1317 of 1749
Tekton line sounds bit like the entry level Wilsons. I dont like the entry level Wilson sound. It throws a huge soundstage with good bass but everything else is mediocore and ca be a little bright at times. Its really not that good for a sit down music sessions, but on the move and just playing it on the backround in alarge room, Tektons shoud be good.
Edited by NAIM101 - 9/28/13 at 2:06pm
post #1318 of 1749
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Originally Posted by BigDADY View Post

I ordered Seas Pendragon yesterday. Eric told me that they do not charge the credit card until the speakers are in the box and ready for shipment. It is somewhat surprising that you paid in advance and over seven months ago. Is there someone else who has been waiting for his/her speaker set for such a long time? Like to know; and wondering have I made a mistake? According to Eric I should get my speakers in 4-5 weeks.

FYI, Ordered my Pendragons 13 months ago yesterday. Got the speakers but still no grills and no sign of them. Same old BS when I ask about why I do not have them. The grills were paid for the day the speakers shipped a year ago.

Based on my experience do yourself a favor and don't order any grills or you may be like me...Over a year later and ugly grill holes and no grills.

I would suggest to put your credit card company on notice as soon as things get fishy or you are given any excuse for non performance. Wish I had called my card company before the 3 month deadline but I am a trusting person. Was after that 3 month mark when I realized the horrible mistake I had made. Caveat Emptor People!
Edited by Soundman5000 - 9/29/13 at 12:46am
post #1319 of 1749
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Originally Posted by BigDADY View Post

I ordered Seas Pendragon yesterday. Eric told me that they do not charge the credit card until the speakers are in the box and ready for shipment. It is somewhat surprising that you paid in advance and over seven months ago. Is there someone else who has been waiting for his/her speaker set for such a long time? Like to know; and wondering have I made a mistake? According to Eric I should get my speakers in 4-5 weeks.
My order thru delivery time was 7 weeks including shipment. I was not charged for the grills. Eric is having grills made and they should be available later this year. I plan to order mine when they come available.
You didn't make a mistake. These speakers have nice sound. Enjoy, and don't let the nay sayers on here bother you.
post #1320 of 1749
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Originally Posted by Inspectr View Post

My order thru delivery time was 7 weeks including shipment. I was not charged for the grills. Eric is having grills made and they should be available later this year. I plan to order mine when they come available.
You didn't make a mistake. These speakers have nice sound. Enjoy, and don't let the nay sayers on here bother you.

I don't think there's really any nay sayers saying they don't sound good. Just some people upset about grills and business practices. The deliveries times seem to have gotten a lot better lately.

I would say that those two things probably make up 95% of the complaints.
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