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post #241 of 1754
Always exciting opening up the boxes. Let me know how voices compare to the Phil's .
post #242 of 1754
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Originally Posted by guteLaune View Post

Yeah, I've already talked to him, as he's delayed my order before, and I nearly cancelled. He knows he loses my order if he doesn't come through today, lol.

Did you ever get a tracking number for your Enzos? I sent an email yesterday and he replied that they had cabinets ready to paint... That is what he told me the day I ordered them on Feb. 28th. rolleyes.gif
post #243 of 1754
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Originally Posted by LVS View Post

^ congrats Vic... they look awesome... anxiously await more detail about what you think about them and your comparison to your Phils. I really like the white!

Thanks. The white no doubt looks good.
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Originally Posted by mechx View Post

Yes Vic...they look very nice! How long did you say they took to arrive, from time order was placed?

Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts!

Thanks. My order info is below.

Speakers: M-Lore (Satin White)
Order Date: February 12, 2013
Estimated Delivery Date: 3 weeks from order date
Delivery Date: March 19, 2013
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Always exciting opening up the boxes. Let me know how voices compare to the Phil's .

Will do. I can't wait to compare them.
post #244 of 1754
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Originally Posted by LVS View Post

Did you ever get a tracking number for your Enzos? I sent an email yesterday and he replied that they had cabinets ready to paint... That is what he told me the day I ordered them on Feb. 28th. rolleyes.gif

Nope... mad.gif The last I talked to him, he said he was ready to process my card, confirmed the number, and told me the macassar veneer looked great. So...I'm not sure why I don't have a number yet. If he doesn't deliver today, I'm going to be pretty disappointed. I'm all for supporting the home-grown business, especially in this market of overpriced stuff. Still, he promised me they'd ship at the end of last week, then promised they'd ship yesterday, and now, today, still nothing. And he hasn't gotten back to me since Sunday, either. Yes, I've tried calling.

Bummer.
post #245 of 1754
^ I was hoping for better news but this doesn't surprise me given the track record. What surprised me is when you said he was ready to ship them, considering this is a custom veneer which he stated when I ordered mine would actually take longer than the satin finishes.

I hope you get some positive news soon!
post #246 of 1754
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View Post

Thanks. The white no doubt looks good.
Thanks. My order info is below.

Speakers: M-Lore (Satin White)
Order Date: February 12, 2013
Estimated Delivery Date: 3 weeks from order date
Delivery Date: March 19, 2013
Will do. I can't wait to compare them.

VicTorious..how many speakers ya getting?

My choices boiled down to Pendragons and Phils...I am really curious how the Lores sound..let me know!
post #247 of 1754
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Originally Posted by LVS View Post

^ I was hoping for better news but this doesn't surprise me given the track record. What surprised me is when you said he was ready to ship them, considering this is a custom veneer which he stated when I ordered mine would actually take longer than the satin finishes.

I hope you get some positive news soon!

Yeah, not sure what's going on...If it will take more time, then be up front about it. He's actually beyond the original time he gave me when I ordered them. Don't tell me you'll send out by the end of the week, and then don't follow through. Don't tell me you're ready to process my card and ship them out if two days later you still haven't done so. I feel more like I'm being strung along...as if somehow being willing to give him $2200+ isn't enough..."Please, take my money." Considering they're supposedly ready to ship, I'm letting it go, but I was really hoping to be listening to these this week.
post #248 of 1754
Honestly..I still dont understand where the Enzos fit in the line up...dont mean to beat a dead horse but he has "smaller" Seas Pendragon and the Enzos are only 500 bucks less than the Pens...and he already had speakers in this price range Urzo $2200 which are some kind of ribbon it looks like.

Then he has the Lore-S at 1400... So are these the smaller - smaller Pendragon...he really dosen't describe them at all... I am a little surprised that he just announced that he has new speakers and without reviews or even explanation of the speakers he has people jumping on them.

It does not give me warm fuzzies that someone that has already given him two outstanding reviews and owns his speakers is reviewing another set either... I guess its just me. rolleyes.gif
post #249 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Honestly..I still dont understand where the Enzos fit in the line up...dont mean to beat a dead horse but he has "smaller" Seas Pendragon and the Enzos are only 500 bucks less than the Pens...and he already had speakers in this price range Urzo $2200 which are some kind of ribbon it looks like.

Then he has the Lore-S at 1400... So are these the smaller - smaller Pendragon...he really dosen't describe them at all... I am a little surprised that he just announced that he has new speakers and without reviews or even explanation of the speakers he has people jumping on them.

It does not give me warm fuzzies that someone that has already given him two outstanding reviews and owns his speakers is reviewing another set either... I guess its just me. rolleyes.gif

Nope, I understand. For me, I didn't want the size of the pendragons, and they'd be $500 more than the enzos, since I wanted a veneer. That's not a drop in the bucket. I spoke extensively with Eric, discussing my need for music, and he said the enzos were for me. Keep in mind, he has a patent pending for his design on the enzo, so I'm going to reserve my final "where do these fit" until I've heard them.
post #250 of 1754
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Originally Posted by LVS View Post

^ I was hoping for better news but this doesn't surprise me given the track record. What surprised me is when you said he was ready to ship them, considering this is a custom veneer which he stated when I ordered mine would actually take longer than the satin finishes.

I hope you get some positive news soon!
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Originally Posted by guteLaune View Post

Yeah, not sure what's going on...If it will take more time, then be up front about it. He's actually beyond the original time he gave me when I ordered them. Don't tell me you'll send out by the end of the week, and then don't follow through. Don't tell me you're ready to process my card and ship them out if two days later you still haven't done so. I feel more like I'm being strung along...as if somehow being willing to give him $2200+ isn't enough..."Please, take my money." Considering they're supposedly ready to ship, I'm letting it go, but I was really hoping to be listening to these this week.

I didn't plan on posting this info here, but I cancelled my order last Wednesday and called him back on Friday to see if he could still ship them. They shipped that evening.
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

VicTorious..how many speakers ya getting?

My choices boiled down to Pendragons and Phils...I am really curious how the Lores sound..let me know!

I'm not sure. I'm still debating getting the KEF LS50, but I don't know if I'll have space for all of them. In addition, if I go with a custom center for the Phils, which I'm seriously considering. I might have a pair of Philharmonitors that need a home. The wife is trying to prevent me from having speakers overrun the house. She's requested that I don't put them in "her" loft or the main living room. Other than that, I think I've got one more room for speakers. I just don't want to turn into a poor man's ADTG.
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Honestly..I still dont understand where the Enzos fit in the line up...dont mean to beat a dead horse but he has "smaller" Seas Pendragon and the Enzos are only 500 bucks less than the Pens...and he already had speakers in this price range Urzo $2200 which are some kind of ribbon it looks like.

Then he has the Lore-S at 1400... So are these the smaller - smaller Pendragon...he really dosen't describe them at all... I am a little surprised that he just announced that he has new speakers and without reviews or even explanation of the speakers he has people jumping on them.

It does not give me warm fuzzies that someone that has already given him two outstanding reviews and owns his speakers is reviewing another set either... I guess its just me. rolleyes.gif

It's not just you. I think he should condense his lines and streamline his manufacturing process. It would make it simpler. I work in Private Equity and if a PE fund were to buy his shop, that's the first thing they would do to make it more profitable. I think the Enzos are supposed to be his new reference line, but they're not his most expensive speakers which are the Seas Pendragons. It would also be helpful to be able to find the new speakers on the website and not only the blog. But the man's speakers are in demand, so with desire comes pain I guess.
post #251 of 1754
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Originally Posted by guteLaune View Post

Nope, I understand. For me, I didn't want the size of the pendragons, and they'd be $500 more than the enzos, since I wanted a veneer. That's not a drop in the bucket. I spoke extensively with Eric, discussing my need for music, and he said the enzos were for me. Keep in mind, he has a patent pending for his design on the enzo, so I'm going to reserve my final "where do these fit" until I've heard them.

From a marketing perspective "patent pending" looks nice and all, but from a legal perspective it doesn't mean much. I could file a patent tomorrow on a speaker design. Only approximately 40-50% of patents are approved in a given year. So a large portion are not granted. I'd rather see measurements, but it looks like the magazines that he's sent his speakers to don't do measurements. Listening, of course, is the preferred method of judgment.
post #252 of 1754
Gutlane I felt your pain and almost cancelled myself buy I am so glad I didn't . I had the same be there in so much and then a week more. His business will never flourish until he tightens up deliveries. When I look back on the whole process , buy from somewhere else and get next day or wait two months and get the speakers I got I would choose tekton again. For me they are that good. Everyday i hear something that makes me smile. For my friends who are more casual home theater buffs I wouldn't recommend tektons till they speed stuff up.

As for enzo ,I think they have a different sound then pendragon . I won't know until someone posts a review who has heard both.
post #253 of 1754
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Gutlane I felt your pain and almost cancelled myself buy I am so glad I didn't . I had the same be there in so much and then a week more. His business will never flourish until he tightens up deliveries. When I look back on the whole process , buy from somewhere else and get next day or wait two months and get the speakers I got I would choose tekton again. For me they are that good. Everyday i hear something that makes me smile. For my friends who are more casual home theater buffs I wouldn't recommend tektons till they speed stuff up.

As for enzo ,I think they have a different sound then pendragon . I won't know until someone posts a review who has heard both.

I'd multiple quote you all, but...I'm lazy...

Anyway, Eric got back to me, and he assured they'd ship tomorrow (Wednesday), expressing that he's been working literally non-stop this week. As I said before, the order is too close now not to just let him ship when he can. I've offered him some desktop/bookshelf business if he can get the Enzo's too me by Saturday, so I'm hoping that entices him to pull through. Ultimately, i contacted him with the intent of a full, trusting, long-term relationship as he developed over the years. I'm seriously hoping he makes the extra effort.

You can all bet I'll give a full review when they're in...pictures and all. I currently have experience with def tech, sonus faber, magnepan, martin logan, and goldenear. I feel I can give a "real world" review, as I'm an acoustic engineer that doesn't buy into the $5,000 amp and $2,000 speaker cable world. Eric is doing something special here, and that's why I'm sticking with him.
post #254 of 1754
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Originally Posted by guteLaune View Post

Eric is doing something special here, and that's why I'm sticking with him.

I thought you have not heard any of Eric's speakers? Not that I disagree but trying to figure out what your basing that on. You can go to any forum including the Klipsch and Polk (both of which I hate) and get the same fanboyz that will tell you they are king of the world.

In addition, unlike say Ascend or Dennis Murphy there are no graphs etc of the speakers... Being an acoustic engineer I would figure that kind of transparency would be a must?

Let me clarify... I am really not trying to start a fight...just curious.
post #255 of 1754
Hey gute ,
What are you powering the enzo's with ? I'm looking for an amp and thinking about a used adcom , or outlaw , or maybe crown xls 1500. Crown would give me a lot of headroom with 300 watts.
post #256 of 1754
Although their are fanboys everywhere , I feel that this thread has been fairly balanced . I read a few others like the Phil , jtr , ascend ,etc. They seem to be similar . Some speaker threads seem to rely heavily on measurements. When you mention that tekton doesn't give them out then you are inundated with comments of what are they hiding ? I personally don't look at measurements except for speaker sensativity . I trust my ear and twenty or so reference songs and movies I use. I don't mind people who like to use them as a tool but I don't think they are essential .

Be interested in what gutlane thinks since he is an engineer .
post #257 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

I thought you have not heard any of Eric's speakers? Not that I disagree but trying to figure out what your basing that on. You can go to any forum including the Klipsch and Polk (both of which I hate) and get the same fanboyz that will tell you they are king of the world.

In addition, unlike say Ascend or Dennis Murphy there are no graphs etc of the speakers... Being an acoustic engineer I would figure that kind of transparency would be a must?

Actually, I'm not going to search for the link, but I know the pendragons have actually been measured with results posted online. They look good, for sure. You're right, I haven't heard them, but I know his experience, and I've talked with him extensively regarding speaker design. I understand his approach to his designs, and they are interesting to me. This is why I'm willing to hear them before auditioning. You're right, though, it's a risk, to be sure.

Let me clarify... I am really not trying to start a fight...just curious.

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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Hey gute ,
What are you powering the enzo's with ? I'm looking for an amp and thinking about a used adcom , or outlaw , or maybe crown xls 1500. Crown would give me a lot of headroom with 300 watts.

The enzo's will start with an emotiva XPA-2 at 250-ish watts. I will certainly try to take advantage of their efficiency, however, and give the Dayton Audio APA-150 a shot. It should do very well, if the sensitivity is anything like Eric says it is. As an engineer, I understand this "music" technology isn't new. I don't like the whole "$10,000 speaker, amplifier...whatever." It's waaaaaay too much than what you actually get. I feel a 1-year degree in acoustics/electronics will have you building $2,000-10,000 equipment---no problem. We just accept it. Eric is trying to offer $10,000 performance at 20% of the price. He's basically giving a big middle finger to most of the audio industry. I'd bet in a larger scale, he could produce the same for even less, but given he's basically a one-man-show, I'll stand behind him until proven otherwise.

An FYI for those into desktop/nearfield listening, Eric said he does an M-Lore in a "desktop" version. A little larger than your traditional desktop, but at a 93+ dB sensitivity. Cool stuff.
post #258 of 1754
Eric is trying to offer $10,000 performance at 20% of the price. He's basically giving a big middle finger to most of the audio industry. I'd bet in a larger scale, he could produce the same for even less, but given he's basically a one-man-show, I'll stand behind him until proven otherwise.

Well...I think most of the ID companies will say the same...


Are you giving up on your Sonus Faber then?
post #259 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Eric is trying to offer $10,000 performance at 20% of the price. He's basically giving a big middle finger to most of the audio industry. I'd bet in a larger scale, he could produce the same for even less, but given he's basically a one-man-show, I'll stand behind him until proven otherwise.

Well...I think most of the ID companies will say the same...


Are you giving up on your Sonus Faber then?

I'll surely be considering getting rid of the sonus fabers once I hear what Eric can do for me. We'll see. One pair will be getting sold.

Agreed, most internet direct companies would say the same. That being said, Eric worked for Aperion, among other companies. Generally people don't branch out unless that have the confidence, knowledge and motivation to do so. It's a powerful combination. We'll see what we get.
post #260 of 1754
Thread Starter 
It finally happened. My center pendragon is being shipped tomorrow. Eric didn't say who the shipper is he just gave me a 15 digit tracking number that starts with a 2.He also charged my credit card so maybe I'll actually receive it. He said he's working on the grills this Saturday and that they would soon follow. I'll probably be waiting awhile for those.

Ken
post #261 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

I thought you have not heard any of Eric's speakers? Not that I disagree but trying to figure out what your basing that on. You can go to any forum including the Klipsch and Polk (both of which I hate) and get the same fanboyz that will tell you they are king of the world.

In addition, unlike say Ascend or Dennis Murphy there are no graphs etc of the speakers... Being an acoustic engineer I would figure that kind of transparency would be a must?

Let me clarify... I am really not trying to start a fight...just curious.

So I multi-quoted you in my last response, but ti didn't register. In any case, I'll try to summarize... you're right, I'd expect measurements, at least to be sure the guy is able to post somewhere in the ball park of what he's claiming. There is actually a link somewhere online that measured the pendragons that looked good, so...I'm find with that. My conversations with Eric have showed that he is more than competent in the field, and his approach to speaker design makes sense to me. He's got the experience, knowledge, and motivation to branch off from other ID companies...that's an exciting combination.
post #262 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Kensmith48 View Post

It finally happened. My center pendragon is being shipped tomorrow. Eric didn't say who the shipper is he just gave me a 15 digit tracking number that starts with a 2.He also charged my credit card so maybe I'll actually receive it. He said he's working on the grills this Saturday and that they would soon follow. I'll probably be waiting awhile for those.

Ken
If your pendragon center is like mine it really needs to be broken in. Sounds tight the first few hours. It took about ten hours to sound good and twenty to be awesome . Mine is crossed over at 60hz.
post #263 of 1754
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

If your pendragon center is like mine it really needs to be broken in. Sounds tight the first few hours. It took about ten hours to sound good and twenty to be awesome . Mine is crossed over at 60hz.

In general you really want to cross your center at 80. Even if your center is highly capable of bass you dont want anything messing with clarity or even having the off chance at doing it.

Just throwing that in for others that may follow.

That being said given the size and construction of the Pen Center I doubt you would have problems but thought I would throw that out there.
post #264 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

In general you really want to cross your center at 80. Even if your center is highly capable of bass you dont want anything messing with clarity or even having the off chance at doing it.

Just throwing that in for others that may follow.

That being said given the size and construction of the Pen Center I doubt you would have problems but thought I would throw that out there.
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

In general you really want to cross your center at 80. Even if your center is highly capable of bass you dont want anything messing with clarity or even having the off chance at doing it.

Just throwing that in for others that may follow.

That being said given the size and construction of the Pen Center I doubt you would have problems but thought I would throw that out there.

Yep Newbie, I totally agree. Audyssey was crossing mine at 40hz, so for sure it’s capable, but doing some blind tests it sounded better at 70-80hz range.
You are spot on regarding some break in. I was worried when I first plugged mine in but after a few days it opened up and really sounds great now.
Just out of curiosity, who had the upgraded caps done? I opened my one tower up and had a look at them, they are pretty beefy caps. Pity we can’t do some A/B hearing tests as these speakers are still few and far between.
post #265 of 1754
Ideally I would cross at 70hz but my receiver only goes 60 and then 80. I prefer the sound at 60 and I have not heard any voices altered from it. I like to change around settings instead of just following audyssey. I find I'm always tweaking a little bit . I have the hsu vtf15 and preferred sealed for a couple of months but recently switched to one port open to get deeper bass. I'm sure in a couple of months ill switch again. Always have been like that. If I had tonnes of money I am sure I would be upgrading stuff all the time.
post #266 of 1754
Hi everyone,

I thought I'd throw my order in there.

Speaker: M-Lore (standard black finish)
Ordered: January 15th
Arrival date: ?????

I emailed him and asked courteously if I was looking at next week or closer to next month for shipping date, I told him I understood how busy he was and I'll wait patiently. He told me they're shipping out many pairs a day. This was a couple days ago. I'll let y'all when something new happens. Looking forward to Enzo reviews!!!

Thanks
post #267 of 1754
Thought I'd join the party too:

Speakers: M-Lore (standard black finish)
Order Date: January 28, 2013
Estimated Delivery Date: "Two or three weeks"
Delivery Date: May 30, 2013

I have given him a friendly call every ten days or so since the first few weeks passed--he sounds like a really nice guy. He always says they'll be shipping in the next few days. Luckily my life doesn't depend on the prompt arrival of said speakers (although it sometimes feels like it does).
Edited by DarkRail - 6/5/13 at 4:10pm
post #268 of 1754
Hey All,

So, I have FedEx tracking numbers for my Enzo's!!!! I'm hoping for a Saturday delivery, but Utah to MI isn't exactly a short haul. With good weather, there might be a chance.

A refresher on my order info:

Order Placed: Feb. 5th
Quoted: 4-6 weeks
FedEx Tracking Numbers: March 20th (pretty much right at 6 weeks)
Delivery: March 23-26-ish

Tekton Enzo's with Macassar Ebony veneer and clarity cap upgrade.
post #269 of 1754
Thread Starter 
I also have a delivery date stating Saturday. I received the Pendragon R/L main speakers in 4 days from Utah to MI. What city are you in?
post #270 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Kensmith48 View Post

I also have a delivery date stating Saturday. I received the Pendragon R/L main speakers in 4 days from Utah to MI. What city are you in?

Ann Arbor. 4 days is pushing it...Saturday would be 3 days, assuming today was just the "pick up" day. We'll see. Monday isn't THAT far away...but my main issue is that no one is home during the day to sign for them (Fed Ex comes in the early afternoon), and I don't think they'll fit in my Chevy Cruze...lol.
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