Originally Posted by elvistehebeagle
I have had set of red Pendragons ( 2-main, center, 2-surround ) all with grills and I am going on 5 weeks form day of order. I am far from an expert, but I have a solid background in HI FI - home theater. I have a " top of the line, last generation Definitive Technology 7 Channel with Pioneer Elite Class D-3 top receiver system. I have spent 2 years looking for a system to be a true upgrade to my current stuff. If I had unlimited funds I could build my system for around $12000.00. And to get that price they would be "b-stock" or refurbished. For $ 5000.00 I will be getting hand made speakers that will be far better that I could ever hope for on my budget. Just as a side issue my Pioneer Elite SC-67 is the 3rd attempt to have a Pioneer elite receiver last for more than 2 years. The first 2 fell apart as in the circuit boards holding the speakers connect posts were not strong enough to hold the weight of Transparent and Monster speaker cables and shorted out. Pioneer said that Best Buy who owns magnolia Hi Fi was not a dealer so I was out of luck. The only reason I got 2 more replacement receivers from Pioneer Elite is because Best Buy paid for half to keep my damages down. Next time I will buy Outlaw separates. I waited for 3 weeks for Best Buy to get me my last receiver. Best Buy did their best. I am saying all of this because the "big speaker companies" are now one by one going to China to build their components. Their customer service is not empowered to help you. In 2008 the Economy took the biggest hit in our lifetime. All companies had one mandate: Reduce costs, increase profits. We get less for more. Now there is Eric. He is a true craftsman. Maybe the last one you will ever get to do business with. Eric is a painfully honest and passionate person. He is also a tad eccentric which is a bye product of "genius". He makes all our speakers by hand. He does it all himself. I am guessing that in being behind he has decided to build the speakers first then catch up with the grills. Makes sense. I have found that he always picks up the phone when I call late in the day. He can not hear when he is spraying or running power tools. I find he does not like typing. He is not a "e-mail" type of guy. Here is my point. On my retirement I can afford to get hand made Audiophile speakers. Speakers the for years will be the yardstick of the industry. I may have to wait 2 months for the speakers and 12 for the grills. Is that not a small compromise to get speakers of this caliber. I know if I have a problem he will drop what he is doing and fix a defect if he ever has had one. He will not rush an order. He is so careful not to ship it before it is to his standards. He as family problems. 1. It is not our business. 2. We all do at one time. I see in this "gripe-a-thon" that we are not getting instant gratification so we attack. The speakers show up and now it is not so bad. We want our grills even if it holds up someones order. Look at his cross town competitor. They are 6 weeks out at least and have raised their prices twice this year. Eric may not be the best production manager but he is one of this countries best loudspeaker designers. He also is a master cabinet builder. I feel that when all the facts are on the table, Eric is providing his customers with a phenomenal product at a price that we " the not rich" can afford. Where else can you get speakers like these at a price you can afford? If you can tell us and / or go there. I for one am going very happy to stay with Eric. I have never even heard these things and I am sure that it will be the best buy I will ever make. All we need to do is give Eric our patience and keep positive. In turn Eric will give us years of sonic bliss. There is an old saying " you get more bees with honey than vinegar". With that in mind realize that " a appreciated Eric will be way more productive than a a pressured Eric. Face we all all there because we read great reviews we can get amazing loudspeakers at comparably low prices. Now he's not fast enough. Are we being fare?
Which def tech speakers did you have and what other speakers have you heard?
Some of the most respected speaker designers around have mentioned possible serious design flaws with the Pendragon.
Couple that with how cheap the drivers the Pendragons use, it is extremely difficult to not be skeptical.
If anyone has a link to even just a personal anecdote comparing the Pendragons to more established speaker designs, ie. Salk Songtowers, Ascend Sierra Towers, KEF, Revels, etc. I would like to know.
I am just guessing here, but I believe people like the Pendragons BECAUSE of the flaws aka comb filtering.
The 3 tweeters in a mini array would produce "mild" comb filtering effects that give the impression of a larger soundstage.
In fact, this is the same effect sound engineers use to create stereo sound from mono sound.
Now there is nothing wrong with preferring this sound as there is no right or wrong with personal preference.
However, I would be interested to know if the same people who prefer the Pendragons would prefer the sound of a line array as well since line array speakers produce the same effect, just at a larger scale.
With that said, is there anyone who has heard both a line array, ie. LS6 and the Pendragons?