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NE Spring Speaker Shootout GTG - Date Poll and Discussion - Page 8

Poll Results: Which date works best for you?

Poll expired: Jan 5, 2013  
  • 35% (5)
    Saturday, April 6th
  • 57% (8)
    Saturday, April 13th
  • 7% (1)
    Saturday, March 30th
14 Total Votes  
post #211 of 935
Awesome, well done Rilla. Your system was just incredibly high performance at the sub GTG and you've significantly upgraded the front three and subs. Well done sir.

For those hoping to get out of the speaker GTG without a new wish list from Rilla's place, that's not going to happen.

Enjoy!

EDIT: oops wrong gorilla thread, referring to the new speakers but it can stay here.
post #212 of 935
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

Awesome, well done Rilla. Your system was just incredibly high performance at the sub GTG and you've significantly upgraded the front three and subs. Well done sir.

For those hoping to get out of the speaker GTG without a new wish list from Rilla's place, that's not going to happen.

Enjoy!

EDIT: oops wrong gorilla thread, referring to the new speakers but it can stay here.

Thanks Dave! The more I'm listening to the new setup the more I love it. smile.gif Still dialing in the little stuff, moving seating positions, etc. I'll probably make some small stands for the new mains to raise them up 6" or so as that seems to be the sweet spot.
post #213 of 935
Have you messed with toe-in yet? I have finally settled on the toe in, and for the first time I'm toeing in more than just pointing the main speakers directly at me. In other words, if I were sitting 2-3 feet closer to the front wall the speakers would be pointing right at me.

Doing this gives a wider sweet spot, like it's supposed to, but I also feel that it anchors the singers voice to the middle just a touch better too. I swear my center channel is on and standing upright when I'm playing 2 channel music. It was like that already without toeing in more, but like I said it's just a little better now.
post #214 of 935
Oh, also, do you find you prefer some music with the mains only no subs? Probably not techno bassy stuff, but what about rock etc.? I bet those 15's pound and sound great!!
post #215 of 935
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Have you messed with toe-in yet? I have finally settled on the toe in, and for the first time I'm toeing in more than just pointing the main speakers directly at me. In other words, if I were sitting 2-3 feet closer to the front wall the speakers would be pointing right at me.

Doing this gives a wider sweet spot, like it's supposed to, but I also feel that it anchors the singers voice to the middle just a touch better too. I swear my center channel is on and standing upright when I'm playing 2 channel music. It was like that already without toeing in more, but like I said it's just a little better now.

I've played with a few positions so far, but I've still got a bit of experimenting to do. I'm sure I could probably toe them in a bit more aggressively though and probably reap the benefits.

As for subs vs. no subs - For most music they do sound great on their own and sometimes the subs can be overwhelming. For someone with a small(er) type room you might not even need a sub with these for music listening. cool.gif
post #216 of 935
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Carp - here you go:

No subs, B&C's full range, 1/24 smoothing, post XT32 run, from the LP 18 feet away. Extension was the same without EQ, but I did have a good sized peak at 100hz. Check this $hit out! Extension to 19-20hz. biggrin.gif BTW I also ran the sweeps up to 110 where the sweep looks exactly the same. Thought I grabbed one of those too, but I guess not. Any more output past that and the omnimic gave me a mic overload. biggrin.gif

I think they will officially be in the full range category now. biggrin.gif

post #217 of 935
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Carp - here you go:

No subs, B&C's full range, 1/24 smoothing, post XT32 run, from the LP 18 feet away. Extension was the same without EQ, but I did have a good sized peak at 100hz. Check this $hit out! Extension to 19-20hz. biggrin.gif BTW I also ran the sweeps up to 110 where the sweep looks exactly the same. Thought I grabbed one of those too, but I guess not. Any more output past that and the omnimic gave me a mic overload. biggrin.gif

I think they will officially be in the full range category now. biggrin.gif


That's amazing Gorilla! Well done.
post #218 of 935
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Carp - here you go:

No subs, B&C's full range, 1/24 smoothing, post XT32 run, from the LP 18 feet away. Extension was the same without EQ, but I did have a good sized peak at 100hz. Check this $hit out! Extension to 19-20hz. biggrin.gif BTW I also ran the sweeps up to 110 where the sweep looks exactly the same. Thought I grabbed one of those too, but I guess not. Any more output past that and the omnimic gave me a mic overload. biggrin.gif

I think they will officially be in the full range category now. biggrin.gif


Dude!! Now that is "no bulls*it"!! wink.gifsmile.gif

Wow, 96 db sensitivity and output to below 20hz... incredible combination. No wonder music sounds great with no subs.

Now, Jonathan has mentioned a number of times how great your room is with gain down low but so what - even if it didn't those speakers obviously go very low. Man, I remember when I really got into surfing through forums in the late 90's early 00's. Back then SVS was all the rage because they along with HSU were the first affordable subs that dipped into the 20 hz range without costing a ton of money. Now you have done it with a pair of friggin speakers at 500 a piece, nice!
post #219 of 935
Thread Starter 
My room does have some awesome room gain down low. I'm not sure if I ever took a sweep of the CHTs full range to see how they compare on paper, that would be interesting to see. I've already posted them for sale, heh. I guess it's time to bust out some speaker stands and matching surrounds now. biggrin.gif DIYSoundgroup makes an 8" B&C based kit named "The minion" which they recommend using with these mains.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/alpha-series-kits/alpha8-kit.html

The flat pack/enclosure is available for these little guys for only 25.00 too. biggrin.gif As soon as either my CHTs or my Deftech BPX's sell I'll be ordering a pair or two of these.
Edited by Gorilla83 - 1/28/13 at 4:58am
post #220 of 935
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

That's amazing Gorilla! Well done.

Thanks man!
post #221 of 935
can we see a full range graph yet?
post #222 of 935
Figured since I now own a professional microphone and audio interface I would do a capture in my terribly shaped room with no sound treatment or EQ.....
This is at -15db on the reciever.



I guess I should run Audyssey one of these days.....

Oh and for those curious, here is mains+sub @-25db on the receiver. (No EQ) 0hz-20khz (with that awesome pumping noise the ULS makes.... )

Edited by rush2049 - 1/28/13 at 6:53pm
post #223 of 935
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

can we see a full range graph yet?

Yes - The only full range graph I had taken had the subs in the mix as well, so I'll need to re-do that one! I was also chatting with Matt last night about some last minute crossover tweaks to help smooth out response at the crossover point. Just ordered the parts and will be modding them this weekend. I will resweep and post up as usual. cool.gif
post #224 of 935
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Originally Posted by rush2049 View Post

Figured since I now own a professional microphone and audio interface I would do a capture in my terribly shaped room with no sound treatment or EQ.....
This is at -15db on the reciever.
I guess I should run Audyssey one of these days.....

Oh and for those curious, here is mains+sub @-25db on the receiver. (No EQ) 0hz-20khz (with that awesome pumping noise the ULS makes.... )
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Ben - What crossover point are you using? The sub response area (8-100hz) actually looks pretty solid. Any idea what the crossover point(s) are on the KRKs?
post #225 of 935
The setup I run doesn't use a crossover. I'm a bit of a bass head and run the sub and krk's full range that way I get the db boost in the low end. The krk's are crossed at 350hz and 3.5 kHz.

I was home for the weekend and was able to run those tests. But I'll be in north Carolina for the next three weeks or so.
post #226 of 935
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Originally Posted by rush2049 View Post

The setup I run doesn't use a crossover. I'm a bit of a bass head and run the sub and krk's full range that way I get the db boost in the low end. The krk's are crossed at 350hz and 3.5 kHz.

I was home for the weekend and was able to run those tests. But I'll be in north Carolina for the next three weeks or so.

yes, the subs are quite hot there. Also, you might be running into noise floor issues in spots measuring that low. Where in NC are you going to be?
post #227 of 935
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

yes, the subs are quite hot there. Also, you might be running into noise floor issues in spots measuring that low. Where in NC are you going to be?

My noise floor was only 13dB. I am using an MXL v69 Mogami Edition mic to measure through a MOTO Microbook II. I am fairly sure there are no false readings in those graphs.

Wendell, NC -- Which I found out last time I was down here is the home of Lizard Lick Towing, that reality tv show from truTV.....
Edited by rush2049 - 1/29/13 at 7:07am
post #228 of 935
Nice, right outside of Raleigh. That is a really low noise floor, very quiet room smile.gif Do you prefer that response un eq'd? +/- approximately 40dB is a pretty big margin in your mains.
post #229 of 935
I like having a large bumb on the low end, but I am disappointed my room has so many nulls throughout the high end. I will definitely put some EQ on that next time I am home.

I didn't do a graph of it, but when I put a 40hz crossover on and lower the db on the sub to gain match the mains it is about even across (still have those peaks in the highs though).

The reason my noise floor is so low is because every wall, but the one the speakers are against is brick with sheetrock. Very solid, the ceiling also is supported by an Ibeam...... The loudest thing is my desktop computer's fans, but I turn everything up so loud you never hear them.
post #230 of 935
Thread Starter 
Guys - Was just chatting with Jeff via PM and looks like the event will have a couple of S2 sealed Captivator subs providing LFE duty for the weekend. biggrin.gif
post #231 of 935
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Guys - Was just chatting with Jeff via PM and looks like the event will have a couple of S2 sealed Captivator subs providing LFE duty for the weekend. biggrin.gif

What a coincidence; I had just suggested that very thing to him earlier today.

Someone will have to hide the remote now... tongue.gif
post #232 of 935
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

What a coincidence; I had just suggested that very thing to him earlier today.

Someone will have to hide the remote now... tongue.gif

I would love Jeff to peel the paint off the walls with those things, he can go as hard as he wants with some subs...Speakers from what I've heard is a different story, I might bring earplugs+headphones for that demo! haha
post #233 of 935
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Guys - Was just chatting with Jeff via PM and looks like the event will have a couple of S2 sealed Captivator subs providing LFE duty for the weekend. biggrin.gif
Oh no. Not again eek.gif.
post #234 of 935
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I would love Jeff to peel the paint off the walls with those things, he can go as hard as he wants with some subs...Speakers from what I've heard is a different story, I might bring earplugs+headphones for that demo! haha

Believe me, the Noesis can SCREAM! We will definitely have to keep some plugs handy for the more hardcore parts of the day. wink.gif
post #235 of 935
No worries. Jeff is fearless, no question about it, but this GTG is a bit different then the one in October. There will be a few sessions where we cut them loose, but that won't be the norm this time. Having said that... earplugs would be a good idea for those times when we try and blow out the light bulbs again. biggrin.gif
post #236 of 935
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

No worries. Jeff is fearless, no question about it, but this GTG is a bit different then the one in October. There will be a few sessions where we cut them loose, but that won't be the norm this time. Having said that... earplugs would be a good idea for those times when we try and blow out the light bulbs again. biggrin.gif

Jim - Since I have a bit of a sadistic personality, perhaps you should drive the agenda/timing/volume for the day. biggrin.gif
post #237 of 935
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Guys - Was just chatting with Jeff via PM and looks like the event will have a couple of S2 sealed Captivator subs providing LFE duty for the weekend. biggrin.gif

post #238 of 935
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Oh no. Not again eek.gif.

Not to worry Mike. The critical listening area will be across the street on the neighbors lawn.

This will be 100x better than heading to any HT or stereo store for a demo.
post #239 of 935
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Jim - Since I have a bit of a sadistic personality, perhaps you should drive the agenda/timing/volume for the day. biggrin.gif

Do you mean to say a guy that has four subwoofers with a total of eight 18" drivers being powered by a 14k watt amp could be a bit cavalier with the volume? That a person who has mains with a horn and 15" 'midrange' might have a tendency to play things at an elevated level? I just don't see it, quite frankly. tongue.gif
post #240 of 935
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I would love Jeff to peel the paint off the walls with those things, he can go as hard as he wants with some subs...Speakers from what I've heard is a different story, I might bring earplugs+headphones for that demo! haha

+1... If there is any paint left from Rilla's octo HO's.

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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Believe me, the Noesis can SCREAM! We will definitely have to keep some plugs handy for the more hardcore parts of the day. wink.gif

Looking forward to getting crazy with it, but in all honesty I'm looking forward moreso to the critical listening...at 130db.

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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Jim - Since I have a bit of a sadistic personality, perhaps you should drive the agenda/timing/volume for the day. biggrin.gif

Prob for the best...lol

Otherwise I'd suggest whipping up a Liability Waiver, mandatory for all in attendance.
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