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Poll Results: Which date works best for you?

Poll expired: Jan 5, 2013  
  • 35% (5)
    Saturday, April 6th
  • 57% (8)
    Saturday, April 13th
  • 7% (1)
    Saturday, March 30th
14 Total Votes  
post #61 of 938
1/3/13 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by wkingincharge View Post

Interested in attending and although I do not have any speakers to bring for demo I would like to bring something (food or drink) to help get everyone through many hours of fun.

Sounds good, I will add you in. BTW what is your first name?

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

We might take you up on that offer. wink.gif Once we get everything figured out -- who's coming, the exact date, etc -- Andrew and I will start nailing down the specifics, all of which will be communicated to the attendees.

Thanks for your help in advance, Jim. As of now it's looking like the 13th is in the lead. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Sounds good, just wanted to make the offer as not to show up with no gear. If anything else is needed, amps, recievers, etc. let me know.

No problem. Let's see what we have on the agenda and list in a few weeks and we'll go from there. Thanks for the offer!
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post #62 of 938
1/3/13 at 5:19am
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Also - I was thinking, would you guys be cool with making this a 'pot luck' type of event? Most of us could bring a snack and/or lunch/dinner food and we would wind up with a lot of different things to try? Last time we kind of did that and I added in some pizza and it worked out well.

Big thanks to Ryan for the pretzels and Dave for the pulled pork last time!

And of course thanks to Jim, Mike, Adam, and others for all the beer! smile.gif
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post #63 of 938
1/3/13 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Also - I was thinking, would you guys be cool with making this a 'pot luck' type of event? Most of us could bring a snack and/or lunch/dinner food and we would wind up with a lot of different things to try? Last time we kind of did that and I added in some pizza and it worked out well.
Big thanks to Ryan for the pretzels and Dave for the pulled pork last time!
And of course thanks to Jim, Mike, Adam, and others for all the beer! smile.gif

Sounds good to me. My wife makes a killer buff chicken dip and it goes good with any kind of beer:D
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post #64 of 938
1/3/13 at 10:41am
I look forward to bringing some arrays to the party!
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post #65 of 938
1/3/13 at 11:12am
I'll bring something to eat or drink, for sure.

All this talk of arrays has me itching to build a concept I have for a pair of sealed dual-opposed sump basin units: bolting an array of full-range drivers to it, dipole config to keep it minimalist and lightweight. I'm looking at drivers now. Since it would still use the Xplod sub for bass, they would still be called the Xploders. I'll only bring one pair of DIY, so whichever it is, that's what they will be called. I also have the 2012 Pioneer towers from Best Buy. I'm wondering if people would like to audition them connected to high-end gear. They have a nice sound - they are not powerhouses but I'm guessing people are curious what they can do if they are used as oversized satellites - the answer is 'a lot' if you respect their limits. I got my four towers open-box for $70 each which is the most ridiculous speaker bargain ever.
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post #66 of 938
1/3/13 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

After having spent the past month or so with the Arx A1b's and A2b I would definitely like to hear the A5 again, especially since I got little time to listen in October. Not sure about the full range group though; I think without a sub they might struggle a bit. Also, if we plan on doing any movie test scenes we'll need the center as well.

I also have some concerns on how the A5s (Sans sub) will sound with certain material like frequency sweeps... especially when they will directly be compared to speakers that are better equipped to handle lower freq.
Just thinking out loud...

I was curious to see how they compare cost and specs wise:
Looking at the list so far, here are the others listed as full range, along with their website/ most common MSRP and specs that I could find from their respective websites: (Owners and others, please chime in and keep me honest here)

2) Imagic, Mark - Xploders (full range) ?? DIY.. but with the components that Mark described I'm sure they will have no problem running full range!
6) avsnoob10 - Atrey - Ascend towers (full range) $1898 (Black Matte) or $1998-$2098 (other more premium finishes) before $700 RAAL tweeter upgrade Typical In-Room Frequency Response 34Hz - 27kHz ± 3dB Frequency Response (Anechoic) 41Hz - 28kHz ± 3dB
7) Rush2049 - Ben, KRK 10-3 monitors (full range), DJ! $499 each, $998 total Frequency Response:31Hz - 20kHz
10) mhrischuk - Mike, legacy focus SE (full range) $8750–$9250 (depending on finish) Freq. Response (Hz, +/-2dB): 18-30K
13) Ryansboston - Ryan, Arx A5 towers (full range) $749 Frequency Response: 45Hz-22kHz +/- 3dB Low Frequency cutoff: 37Hz -6dB

What do you guys think of the Freq. response capability differences? Of course the material will determine how much this comes into play, but am I setting myself up for a poor comparison here? (Not worried about cost differences, more worried about freq response)
Edited by Ryansboston - 1/3/13 at 1:28pm
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post #67 of 938
1/3/13 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Sounds good to me. My wife makes a killer buff chicken dip and it goes good with any kind of beer:D

Mmmm...beer! eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Rick Craig View Post

I look forward to bringing some arrays to the party!

Awesome Rick, thanks for joining us.

For anyone who hasn't seen their products, check out http://www.selahaudio.com. Some really really nice gear!
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

I'll bring something to eat or drink, for sure.
All this talk of arrays has me itching to build a concept I have for a pair of sealed dual-opposed sump basin units: bolting an array of full-range drivers to it, dipole config to keep it minimalist and lightweight. I'm looking at drivers now. Since it would still use the Xplod sub for bass, they would still be called the Xploders. I'll only bring one pair of DIY, so whichever it is, that's what they will be called. I also have the 2012 Pioneer towers from Best Buy. I'm wondering if people would like to audition them connected to high-end gear. They have a nice sound - they are not powerhouses but I'm guessing people are curious what they can do if they are used as oversized satellites - the answer is 'a lot' if you respect their limits. I got my four towers open-box for $70 each which is the most ridiculous speaker bargain ever.

Mark - If you decide to bring something, let's try to limit it to one pair as we'll probably be pressed for time as is. tongue.gif Whatever you want to bring is up to you though!
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Originally Posted by Ryansboston View Post

I also have some concerns on how the A5s (Sans sub) will sound with certain material like frequency sweeps... especially when they will directly be compared to speakers that are better equipped to handle lower freq.
Just thinking out loud...
I was curious to see how they compare cost and specs wise:
Looking at the list so far, here are the others listed as full range, along with their website/ most common MSRP and specs that I could find from their respective websites: (Owners and others, please chime in and keep me honest here)

2) Imagic, Mark - Xploders (full range) ?? DIY.. but with the components that Mark described I'm sure they will have no problem running full range!
6) avsnoob10 - Atrey - Ascend towers (full range) $1898 (Black Matte) or $1998-$2098 (other more premium finishes) before $700 RAAL tweeter upgrade Typical In-Room Frequency Response 34Hz - 27kHz ± 3dB Frequency Response (Anechoic) 41Hz - 28kHz ± 3dB
7) Rush2049 - Ben, KRK 10-3 monitors (full range), DJ! $499 each, $1098 total Frequency Response:31Hz - 20kHz
10) mhrischuk - Mike, legacy focus SE (full range) $8750–$9250 (depending on finish) Freq. Response (Hz, +/-2dB): 18-30K
13) Ryansboston - Ryan, Arx A5 towers (full range) $749 Frequency Response: 45Hz-22kHz +/- 3dB Low Frequency cutoff: 37Hz -6dB
What do you guys think of the Freq. response capability differences? Of course the material will determine how much this comes into play, but am I setting myself up for a poor comparison here? (Not worried about cost differences, more worried about freq response)

Ryan - Interesting breakdown of price and frequency response. The category they will be in will be up to you, I defaulted them to "full range" because they weren't quite at home with the higher efficiency stuff that was also in the "with sub" group. I'd guess we will see what others wind up in the list and we can assess from there. Maybe not a bad idea to include price and freq response for everything in the list though!

Saturday is the deadline for voting guys!
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post #68 of 938
1/3/13 at 1:37pm
I'm in for this, date doesn't matter to me.

I'll be bringing my JTR Triple 12LF's (about 4 years old now).

These GTG seem like a great time. Bummed I missed the previous two at Andrew's place.

John
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post #69 of 938
1/3/13 at 1:47pm
Assuredly. Xploders of one type or another it is then. I'm starting experimental builds next week.
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Mark - If you decide to bring something, let's try to limit it to one pair as we'll probably be pressed for time as is. tongue.gif Whatever you want to bring is up to you though!
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post #70 of 938
1/3/13 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

I'm in for this, date doesn't matter to me.
I'll be bringing my JTR Triple 12LF's (about 4 years old now).
These GTG seem like a great time. Bummed I missed the previous two at Andrew's place.
John

Can't believe you were literally 5 minutes away and missed the last few events! This one will be a blast for sure though, literally and figuratively. biggrin.gif I'm sure there are plenty who would love to hear the T12s too.

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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

Assuredly. Xploders of one type or another it is then. I'm starting experimental builds next week.

Sweet, looking forward to seeing/hearing your creations. cool.gif
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post #71 of 938
1/3/13 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Sounds good to me. My wife makes a killer buff chicken dip and it goes good with any kind of beer:D

"buff chicken dip"? Is that similar to skinny dipping foul? That's an image I didn't need... smile.gif
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post #72 of 938
1/3/13 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

I'll be bringing my JTR Triple 12LF's (about 4 years old now).

Andrews eight 18's powerd by 10 gigawatts and JTR Triple 12's??? Fellas, we're gonna die... Don't anyone give Jeff the remote! tongue.gif
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post #73 of 938
1/3/13 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Awesome Rick, thanks for joining us.
For anyone who hasn't seen their products, check out http://www.selahaudio.com. Some really really nice gear!

Some of those arrays look absolutely sick! I can't wait to hear them. Maybe I'll con Rick out of a subwoofer so I can review it. wink.gif
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post #74 of 938
1/3/13 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Some of those arrays look absolutely sick! I can't wait to hear them. Maybe I'll con Rick out of a subwoofer so I can review it. wink.gif

OMG, this GTG is going to cost me a lot of $$$. Hmm, Neosis or line array for LCR upgrade???
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post #75 of 938
1/3/13 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

OMG, this GTG is going to cost me a lot of $$$. Hmm, Neosis or line array for LCR upgrade???

Maybe you can decide once you hear them both. biggrin.gif

Man, those line arrays really do looks crazy!
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post #76 of 938
1/3/13 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Sounds good, I will add you in. BTW what is your first name?

Looking forward to it!!! The first name is Wayne!!
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post #77 of 938
1/3/13 at 7:23pm
OK, count me in on this one! Every single option I've been tossing around for my mains are going to be there. Someone's going to make a sale of LCR's in April! Thanks for putting this together!!

Just tell me what beverage and/or food to bring.
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post #78 of 938
1/4/13 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by wkingincharge View Post

Looking forward to it!!! The first name is Wayne!!

Got it! Look forward to you joining us, Wayne. cool.gif
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

OK, count me in on this one! Every single option I've been tossing around for my mains are going to be there. Someone's going to make a sale of LCR's in April! Thanks for putting this together!!
Just tell me what beverage and/or food to bring.

You're welcome, this is shaping up to be another great event. BTW - First name?

Food and drink is up to whatever you would like to bring! Let us know what you chose so we don't have too much duplication. biggrin.gif

All - as an FYI, we are at 18 attendees for now. If anyone else is planning on bringing a guest please let me know now.
Edited by Gorilla83 - 1/4/13 at 6:48am
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post #79 of 938
1/4/13 at 6:48am
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Date - As of now April 13th is in the lead. smile.gif We will know 100% by tomorrow morning.

Another thought - I also extended the invite out to Erich H from DIYsoundgroup. It would be cool to meet him in person as well. Waiting to hear back on availability/interest.
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post #80 of 938
1/4/13 at 6:59am
you missed #9 smile.gif

i only count 17 including my guest. Who im not positive will come. However seeing as he lives like 5 miles down the street from you I assume he will if hes in town
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post #81 of 938
1/4/13 at 7:09am
This, like the sub event, is shaping up to be a great one. Can't wait to check out these speakers. I am one of the people who would really be interested in checking out some JTR speakers. But all of them sound interesting. Should be another great day.
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post #82 of 938
1/4/13 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

you missed #9 smile.gif
i only count 17 including my guest. Who im not positive will come. However seeing as he lives like 5 miles down the street from you I assume he will if hes in town

Thanks for the QC check. smile.gif With all of this editing mistakes are inevitable. I will leave your buddy as a guest for now, let me know if plans change as we approach so we can free up a spot for someone else. cool.gif

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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

This, like the sub event, is shaping up to be a great one. Can't wait to check out these speakers. I am one of the people who would really be interested in checking out some JTR speakers. But all of them sound interesting. Should be another great day.

There is some great variety in the mix right now. We've got budget oriented towers, high end towers, high efficiency horn loaded towers, and various DIY builds all on the table. I know we've got some time before the event but I am sure am excited. biggrin.gif
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post #83 of 938
1/4/13 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Thanks for the QC check. smile.gif With all of this editing mistakes are inevitable. I will leave your buddy as a guest for now, let me know if plans change as we approach so we can free up a spot for someone else. cool.gif
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Edit - back at 18 anyway, forgot to add in popalock/Austin. cool.gif
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post #84 of 938
1/4/13 at 11:26am
I voted for the 13th, but as long as I give work enough notice I should be able to make it on any of the dates. I can bring a pair of CAT8Cs and if needed an REW / Speclab setup. I'll help in anyway I can with setup Friday night. And of course I'll bring a nice selection of beer. Looking forward to seeing and listening to a lot of great speakers.

If there is time for any blind testing, two interesting comparisons would be a pro amp vs AVR driving a set of high efficiency speakers like the JTR or CHT and a lower efficiency vs high efficiency focusing on dynamics.

-Mike
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post #85 of 938
1/4/13 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by ironhead1230 View Post

I voted for the 13th, but as long as I give work enough notice I should be able to make it on any of the dates. I can bring a pair of CAT8Cs and if needed an REW / Speclab setup. I'll help in anyway I can with setup Friday night. And of course I'll bring a nice selection of beer. Looking forward to seeing and listening to a lot of great speakers.
If there is time for any blind testing, two interesting comparisons would be a pro amp vs AVR driving a set of high efficiency speakers like the JTR or CHT and a lower efficiency vs high efficiency focusing on dynamics.
-Mike

Hey Mike! Long time no talk buddy. Glad to see you posting up in here. It's looking like this event may even trump the last one! Your cat8's would much complete the ID offerings. At this point I think we pretty much have a full day and a half planned.

Let's do the blind testing AVR vs. amp on Friday night???

...with AMPLE beer supply of course, biggrin.gif


EDIT - I think we're about at capacity for speakers for the day, would you guys agree? Current count is 8-9 sets with subs and 4 full range. At this rate we'll be starting at 8 am. biggrin.gif
Also, up to 20 attendees. 5 spots left, all.
Edited by Gorilla83 - 1/4/13 at 11:36am
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post #86 of 938
1/4/13 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

At this point I think we pretty much have a full day and a half planned.

Just like last time...

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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

EDIT - I think we're about at capacity for speakers for the day, would you guys agree? Current count is 8-9 sets with subs and 4 full range.

I'm not sure we'll be able to do much more then that, so I think we're about at capacity. After all, we still need time to and
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post #87 of 938
1/4/13 at 12:58pm
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^^ Agreed, Jimbo!!

OK - The current lineup potential makes me drool - I think we have MANY angles covered.

1) Gorilla83, Andrew, CHT SHO-10 (with subs) and/or potentially DIY B&C 15" SEOS12 setup
2) Imagic, Mark - Xploders (full range)
3) Sibuna, Adam plus Guest - DIYsoundgroup Tempest 12s and deltamax 10s (with subs)
4) JimWilson - co-coordinator, Magic Hat #9 biggrin.gif
5) Chopshop - Jake, food/drinks
6) avsnoob10 - Atrey - Ascend towers (full range)
7) Rush2049 - Ben, KRK 10-3 monitors (full range), DJ!
8) RX-8 - Bill
9) mhrischuk - Mike, legacy focus SE (full range)
10) mikeduke - Mike
11) Jeff P from JTR speakers - Noesis? (with subs)
12) Ryansboston - Ryan, Arx A5 towers (with subs)
13) wkingincharge - Wayne, food and/or drinks
14) Rick Craig - Selah Audio CBT Line Arrays (with subs)
15) SeaNile - John, JTR Triple 12s (with subs)
16) Gooddoc - food/drinks
17) Popalock - Austin, varying forms of greatness
18) Beastaudio - Brandon, TD12x SEOS (with subs) and/or LS6 line arrays (full range)
19) ironhead1230 - Mike aka the "beer king", Seaton Catylist 8Cs (with subs)
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post #88 of 938
1/4/13 at 1:10pm
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Guys - Does anyone feel that we should be using a 'hifi' amp in light of the higher end speakers like the Line Arrays and Legacys in lieu of my EP4000? If so, does anyone have something they could bring along that we could use for the day? I'm thinking something of 3-400 watts per channel at 8 ohms should do, and of course stable down to 4 for the JTRs, etc.
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post #89 of 938
1/4/13 at 1:23pm
I am convinced that the pro amps can be exactly as good as solid-state 'hifi' amps but I'd be pleased to be shown otherwise. I no longer look at amps as a source of additional 'refinement', current is king... but that debate rages on. I won't need an amp for my speakers, fwiw.
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Guys - Does anyone feel that we should be using a 'hifi' amp in light of the higher end speakers like the Line Arrays and Legacys in lieu of my EP4000? If so, does anyone have something they could bring along that we could use for the day? I'm thinking something of 3-400 watts per channel at 8 ohms should do, and of course stable down to 4 for the JTRs, etc.
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1/4/13 at 1:24pm
My XPA-3 is available but is only 2-300 wpc. you have something with similar power upstairs as well IIRC. Ive heard the JTRs off your amp and they really dont need more power :P not sure about the line arrays.
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