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post #31 of 75
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Hmm interesting because I was under the impression the Stones SHM-SACDs weren't that great from what I read. Maybe it was just wishful thinking to keep me from having to buy them. I'm a bit of a Stones completionist, in addition to all the ABKCO SACDs (UK & US wink.gif) I even have all their vinyl up to the mid 80's.

I don't bitstream next time I have Grrr! in I'll try the Dolby and DTS decoding in the player (Oppo 103).



I've got pretty much everything up to Some Girls in (mostly UK) vinyl so I hear you. You have to admit, the Stones SQ was never top of the audiophile food chain. It was always about the incredible quality of music from these guys. Like everything, it's all personal taste with the SHM's. The level of improvement varies from disc to disc, so nothing I said is written in stone. I think the 3 SHM's I have are definite improvements, with LIB the best of the 3. OTOH, some people won't accept anything other than the original grungy sound. But hey, just because you have 1 version, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy another! biggrin.gif
post #32 of 75
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Originally Posted by Neild View Post

Sounds great, but as others have reported the menu is junk and there is some issue with the audio streaming.

Having a static, high contrast menu screen is just dumb dumb dumb. Testing on a couple of players it renders properly, without the flashing effect noted by Oppo users. But having the highlighted number as light blue instead of white doesn't make sense. I get the idea of a a concise number grid to avoid page flipping, but why not have alternate menu branch that offers titles?

I also experienced issues when toggling between sound formats. DTS HD Master Audio seemed to be the most problematic. Sometimes it wouldn't register at all, sometimes it would register but have no sound. It did seem to take longer for the equipment to register and start decoding than any other discs I've used.

For a workaround, I noticed that shifting from PCM to DTS HD-MA was the most unreliable sequence. Unfortunately that's probably the most common scenario people would use. I found that if I shifted it to DTS HD-MA and got no sound, I could stop press stop and on restarting, it would be in DTS HD-MA.

Another workaround seemed to be going from PCM --> Dolby True HD --> DTS HA-MA

Why anyone would want to use one of these formats versus another is worth discussing though.
What players did you see not flash with the menu? Might be able to report to oppo for a fix. Thanks!
post #33 of 75
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Neil - Couple of observations... Curious as to why your system does not do bass management on PCM. It also sounds like you are saying the Dolby and DTS tracks are 2.1. I'm not at home to check but I thought they were 2.0. In other words I thought they were the same mix as PCM just encoded. So in theory they should be the same assuming they are level matched and you aren't applying any extra processing. Not saying your decoder isn't adding something as I believe there likely are differences between the various DTS processors. An interesting experiment would be to turn decoding on in your player and see if it is different from bit streaming.

Not saying the source is 2.1, just that my processor has its own rules about how it processes each different kind of signal.

I've lost track of the permutations, but things like enabling extra speakers will make it decide it has to process so then crossover comes into effect.

Sometimes it decides a format is to be untouched, like I think it treats PCM 96K 2.0 as 2 channel all the way but 48K it handles. Not exactly sure. The overall point though is that if you just based it off results flipping tracks in my listening room you'd think there are big differences between the formats, differences that probably don't exist in the source. With all variables being equal, I suspect there's little audible difference between the 3 formats.
post #34 of 75
So far Panasonic and Seiki. Just to be clear, the selected numeral itself blinks light blue/white, but the whole screen of text does not flash.

The more I use this disc the more I feel the menu design and authoring are terrible.

Hot static white images on a black background? Selected track shows as off-white instead of white? Can't reliably change between audio tracks? It's one thing for a sadistic designer to create this, but did nobody along the way check or test it?
Edited by Neild - 1/24/13 at 11:57am
post #35 of 75
I have a Panny and the selected numeral or the audio choices flash when highlighted. Agree that this menu is absolute crap however I have had no trouble switching between formats or between tracks.
post #36 of 75
I'm curious if you can turn of your display and still play the disc. I saw a review over at Amazon that said the display needed to be kept on. Maybe that was so the menu could be displayed for track navigation.

Bill
post #37 of 75
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I'm curious if you can turn of your display and still play the disc. I saw a review over at Amazon that said the display needed to be kept on. Maybe that was so the menu could be displayed for track navigation.

Bill

just pop it in and hit play. display no necessito.
post #38 of 75
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Originally Posted by grubadub View Post

just pop it in and hit play. display no necessito.

grub,

Thanks for info smile.gif. I had a feeling that was the deal as I like the way I can play a DVD-A on the 103 without using my plasma. I just load the DVD-A, hit play and the disc starts playing the 5.1 layer if it is an option.

Bill
post #39 of 75
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

grub,

Thanks for info smile.gif. I had a feeling that was the deal as I like the way I can play a DVD-A on the 103 without using my plasma. I just load the DVD-A, hit play and the disc starts playing the 5.1 layer if it is an option.

Bill

yeah, i almost never have my display on when listening to music...whether it be dvd-a, sacd or a regular ole cd. (i have the oppo bdp-80 btw. ) most of the dvd-a's i have to push play two or three times to get through the menu. with sacd's all i do is pop it in and push play once...and sometimes they will auto-start. i only have a few blu rays but there doesn't seem to be a standard there. for instance the rush moving pictures blu ray you have to dance around the menu a little bit to get to the hi-res multi layer. with the rolling stones grrr.....eatist hits, just pop it in and hit play....and the next time you pop it in, it starts up automatically where you left off last time.
post #40 of 75
I have a Panasonic Blu-Ray player hooked up to a Panasonic TV. Once I read one person saying he couldn't turn off his TV if he is playing a BluRay, I thought I might have the same problem. So... slipped in the Grrr disk (with the TV on), and started playing the disk. Then I tried turning the TV off. It also turned off the BluRay player. I got everything going again, and then tried choosing a different Input on the TV while the BluRay played, and this seemed to work. One thing I didn't try is to manually turn the TV off. Maybe the BluRay and the TV uses the same IR code for turning it off??? I'll let you know.
post #41 of 75
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Originally Posted by Joe Hendrix View Post

I have a Panasonic Blu-Ray player hooked up to a Panasonic TV. Once I read one person saying he couldn't turn off his TV if he is playing a BluRay, I thought I might have the same problem. So... slipped in the Grrr disk (with the TV on), and started playing the disk. Then I tried turning the TV off. It also turned off the BluRay player. I got everything going again, and then tried choosing a different Input on the TV while the BluRay played, and this seemed to work. One thing I didn't try is to manually turn the TV off. Maybe the BluRay and the TV uses the same IR code for turning it off??? I'll let you know.

A lot of devices that use HDMI have a 'feature' that integrates them. So if you turn one device off, a signal travels over HDMI to tell the other device to shut off. Every maker seems to use a different name for this like 'HDMI CEC'. But it should be possible to toggle it on/off in the device menu.
post #42 of 75
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

What players did you see not flash with the menu? Might be able to report to oppo for a fix. Thanks!

Here's some that do not exhibit a full flashing menu:

Panasonic
Vizio
Seiki
LG

Some have trouble skipping between audio tracks on the fly.

One weird effect is that if you put in the disc it starts playing track 01 and the '01' numeral is flashing light blue.

You hit the player's 'next' button, it plays the next track, and the next one and so on. But the '01' numeral remains flashing even though you are on to diffferent tracks. This doesn't happen if use the cursor to navigate the numerals.
post #43 of 75
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Originally Posted by Neild View Post

A lot of devices that use HDMI have a 'feature' that integrates them. So if you turn one device off, a signal travels over HDMI to tell the other device to shut off. Every maker seems to use a different name for this like 'HDMI CEC'. But it should be possible to toggle it on/off in the device menu.

You are right. I went into setup of the Panasonic BluRay, and I turned off the VIERA Link to my Panasonic TV. Once done, I tested it and was able to turn off the TV without shutting down the BluRay player.

I also messed around a bit more with the various sound options. Now, I have an older Denon 6.1 version receiver which does not have the newer codec support, but does support DTS and DD. I noticed when playing the default PCM that I could skip through tracks fairly easily and without interrupting the signal to my receiver during track skipping. But switching to DTS, every time I tried switching a track the receiver would temporarily lose the DTS signal and would grab it once again when the track was found. Needless to say, I was not happy with no seemless switching betwen tracks in DTS. I also noticed a change in the sound between DTS and PCM. I believe (but not sure) that when in DTS, the subwoofer would engage and the the signal was a bit hotter (louder). It sounded as if the soundfield opened a bit more, but this could have been due to the increased loudness. I'm just not sure. I'll have to try more experimenting to see which I like better, but right now the DTS sounds "better".

The DD tracks made my receiver switch to Dolby PLII, which is just an unacceptable format. I imagine if I had a newer receiver (one of these days) that it would play through the DD codec.
post #44 of 75
Joe turn bitstreaming off in your player otherwise you are getting the lossy signals for Dolby and DTS.
post #45 of 75
Finally got my Rolling Stones Grrrrr.........Blu ray Audio disc in the mail today from Amazon UK......glorious sound quality.........at least as good as the SACD's that I have and a whole bunch of their later output that has not been on SACD !!!

I will do some direct comparisons.......but can tell this recording is of the highest quality........it is missing some songs from HOT ROCKS 1 and 2, like 2000 Light Years From Home (one of my favorite Stones songs).......so it is nice to own both. I have the blinking blu light on the song grid on #1 no mater what song is playing.......and the other selection numbers and Audio Track selection info are blinking too. This is on my Oppo 103 (have not tried my other two Blu ray players yet).
post #46 of 75
I just got my copy yesterday and it's fantastic smile.gif The audio quality through my blu-ray player is simply exceptional. I am a huge Stones fan but I've never heard so much detail and clarity in these recordings before.

As a musician, I'm very picky about sound quality which is why I thought it would be worth to check this disc out...and I wasn't disappointed! I am really looking forward to hearing more High Fidelity Pure Audio releases now.
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by TheLebowski View Post

I just got my copy yesterday and it's fantastic smile.gif The audio quality through my blu-ray player is simply exceptional. I am a huge Stones fan but I've never heard so much detail and clarity in these recordings before.

As a musician, I'm very picky about sound quality which is why I thought it would be worth to check this disc out...and I wasn't disappointed! I am really looking forward to hearing more High Fidelity Pure Audio releases now.



Then some of these might interest you. All being released in Blu-ray audio editions in Europe.


Bob Marley & The Wailers Legend 600753423790
Cat Stevens Tea For The Tillerman 600753429990
Derek & The Dominos Layla And Other Assorted Love Song 600753406373
Diana Krall The Look Of Love 602537316670
Eddy Mitchell Grand Ecran 600753424216
Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong Ella & Louis / Ella & Louis Again 602537349807
Hélène Grimaud, Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra, Esa-Pekka Salonen Corigliano / Beethoven / Pärt "Credo" 28947910558
Jacques Brel Les Marquises 602537250493
Jacques Brel Ne Me Quitte Pas 602537250585
John Coltrane A Love Supreme (Deluxe Edition) 602537356638
Johnny Hallyday Rock N' Roll Attitude 602537249824
Johnny Hallyday Sang Pour Sang 602537249831
Jonas Kaufmann, Orchester der Deutschen Oper Berlin, Donald Runnicles Wagner 28947856788
Miles Davis Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud 602537265169
MYLENE FARMER Monkey me 602537228072
Nina Simone I Put A Spell On You 602537356621
Noir Désir Tostaky 602537267620
Oscar Peterson Night Train 602537317660
Pierre Henry Messe pour le temps présent 602537287789
Quincy Jones Big Band Bossa Nova 602537317646
Rolando Villazón, Orchestra del Teatro Regio di Torino, Gianandrea Noseda Villazón - Verdi 28947917083
Serge Gainsbourg Histoire De Melody Nelson 602537249992
Serge Gainsbourg Aux Armes Et Caetera 1979 602537249893
Stan Getz, João Gilberto Getz/Gilberto 602537317677
Stevie Wonder Songs In The Key Of Life 600753406403
Supertramp Breakfast In America 600753429983
The Velvet Underground, Nico The Velvet Underground & Nico 600753429976
Wiener Philharmoniker, Carlos Kleiber Beethoven: Symphonies Nos.5 & 7 28947911067
Zazie La Zizanie 602537249916
post #48 of 75
Forgive my ignorance, but how you guys play Region B in US? Do you have multi region blue-ray players?
post #49 of 75
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Originally Posted by 55la View Post

Forgive my ignorance, but how you guys play Region B in US? Do you have multi region blue-ray players?



If you're referring to the albums I listed above, IIRC they are all region free. The Grr disc is region free. If you are looking to play other region discs, you do need a region free player, or buy a region free kit. That's one of the reasons Oppo has been so popular, there are lots of kits available as well as region free players for sale.
post #50 of 75
I meant Grrr. It is shown on Amazon.UK as region B. But I read in another forum that because it is audio only it will play anywhere. Is the disc actually marked as region free?
Thanks.
post #51 of 75
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Originally Posted by 55la View Post

I meant Grrr. It is shown on Amazon.UK as region B. But I read in another forum that because it is audio only it will play anywhere. Is the disc actually marked as region free?
Thanks.


The disc has no region info on it at all.
post #52 of 75
Cool, thanks. Probably amazon is using some default listing. Have it ordered.
post #53 of 75
Thanks! for sharing.
post #54 of 75
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Originally Posted by Neild View Post

Sounds great, but as others have reported the menu is junk and there is some issue with the audio streaming.

Having a static, high contrast menu screen is just dumb dumb dumb. Testing on a couple of players it renders properly, without the flashing effect noted by Oppo users. But having the highlighted number as light blue instead of white doesn't make sense. I get the idea of a a concise number grid to avoid page flipping, but why not have alternate menu branch that offers titles?

I also experienced issues when toggling between sound formats. DTS HD Master Audio seemed to be the most problematic. Sometimes it wouldn't register at all, sometimes it would register but have no sound. It did seem to take longer for the equipment to register and start decoding than any other discs I've used.

For a workaround, I noticed that shifting from PCM to DTS HD-MA was the most unreliable sequence. Unfortunately that's probably the most common scenario people would use. I found that if I shifted it to DTS HD-MA and got no sound, I could stop press stop and on restarting, it would be in DTS HD-MA.

Another workaround seemed to be going from PCM --> Dolby True HD --> DTS HA-MA

Why anyone would want to use one of these formats versus another is worth discussing though.

Hello same trouble with my disc, System Marantz SR 5007 UD 5007 (bitstream) sometimes it works but after a short time I become a horrible noise with DTS- HD MA or the system hang up, Dolby True HD and LPCM works fine but I can't hear a big difference between DTS and Dolby True HD. It seems that some Disc are defect !
post #55 of 75
Damn this disc, I can't get bass to come out of my subwoofer. The sub doesn't even turn on. Weird
post #56 of 75
Have you tried getting your BR player to decode the disk and feed the PCM signal to your AVR? The SW crossover settings on your AVR should then take care of the bass management. The problems with this BR disk arise when one attempts to have the AVR decode the bitstream directly. However, if your player is already decoding the disk and you still can't hear any bass, then you may want to look into the bass management settings for your AVR.
post #57 of 75
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Originally Posted by Boston007 View Post

Damn this disc, I can't get bass to come out of my subwoofer. The sub doesn't even turn on. Weird
The disc is stereo. You need to use bass management or a channel expanding DSP such PLII to get sub engaged.
post #58 of 75
I think the HFPA (High Fidelity Pure Audio) is shaping up to be a really exciting endeavour in taking music to the next level of sound quality for music lovers. The sound quality really is unparalleled to anything I’ve ever heard and it’s not just something for some sound quality aficionados to appreciate and understand- the difference is palpable- breathing new life into the classics. From the looks of this, they’re extending it a variety of different genres of music and after my experience with it; I would definitely buy another album in this format again.
post #59 of 75
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Originally Posted by SM12 View Post

I think the HFPA (High Fidelity Pure Audio) is shaping up to be a really exciting endeavour in taking music to the next level of sound quality for music lovers. The sound quality really is unparalleled to anything I’ve ever heard and it’s not just something for some sound quality aficionados to appreciate and understand- the difference is palpable- breathing new life into the classics. From the looks of this, they’re extending it a variety of different genres of music and after my experience with it; I would definitely buy another album in this format again.

I really agree with this, based on the incredible sound of Neil Young's Archives, Vol. I. All I could ask for would be a 5.1 mix, but I know that is more or less unlikely after the SACD/DVD-A fiasco. I hope we se more Bluray audio releases, with, as with Neil Young, an opportunity to download relatively high quality (320kb) MP3 files.
post #60 of 75
I just ordered ... came to 13 quid (can't find the pound sign on my US keyboard).

I have not seen anyone here mention if this works properly on the PS3 (Fatty) -- as that is my blu-ray player. I assume it will, but will report any wildernesses.

Thanks for the head up OP.
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