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post #31 of 96
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Is the pro series worth the price or just stick with the regular 840?
post #32 of 96
Hyper 212 EVO (159mm tall) won't fit GD01 (max cooler height 135mm). If you prefer a tower cooler, LOKI SD963 (134mm tall) is recommended. Or GeminII S524 (105mm tall, top-flow) is better.

F3-2133C11D-8GAO, $50 or F3-2133C9D-8GAB, $61 is enough.
post #33 of 96
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Phew, thanks for pointing that out renethx. I hadn't even paid attention to that. I haven't checked on the ones you recommend but I'm assuming they will fit the case?
post #34 of 96
Yes. For IVB Core i5, GeminII S524 is better.
post #35 of 96
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I really liked that recommendation for the GemenII. I think that's a keeper.
post #36 of 96
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Since your already here renethx, postmoderdesign says you recommend the A10 5800K. Would that do a better job than the i5? Keeping in mind I may install a decent video card for the occasional gaming itch.
Also, what's your take on my ram choice. Overkill, overpriced, or not suitable for this purpose?
Edited by jaliscojorge - 1/3/13 at 11:12pm
post #37 of 96
For video playback, A10 is roughly 1.5 times better than Intel HD Graphics 4000 (as usual, I mean performance under madVR). Actually it's better than HD 6570 and GT 430, GT 630 (DDR3) discrete graphics in madVR and games, by roughly as much as 20%.
post #38 of 96
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I really want to start ordering parts but now I have a sick toddler, car with check engine light on and making a loud noise from the engine bay that I can't figure out what's causing it and to top it all off a letter from my mortgage that my escrow is $500.00 in the tank. :-\
Rant aside, If I order the parts I currently have listed with the change to the cpu fan plus a power supply which I'll by with enough watts for a video card in mind. And a bluray drive. Will I get satisfactory results for 1080p movies without the video card or would one be recommended for better results?
post #39 of 96
1080p movies are by far the easiest format to play back, every decent graphics (integrated or discrete) is enough.
post #40 of 96
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Thanks renethx. Just with all the unaccounted for expenses that popped up and to stay closer to the budget since movie playback is priority I figured I'd leave the video card out for now if possible. I've been reading up on madvr and it seems to have really positive feedback and great results. Is that your recommend rendering software for htpcs?
post #41 of 96
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Originally Posted by jaliscojorge View Post

I really want to start ordering parts but now I have a sick toddler, car with check engine light on and making a loud noise from the engine bay that I can't figure out what's causing it and to top it all off a letter from my mortgage that my escrow is $500.00 in the tank. :-\
Rant aside, If I order the parts I currently have listed with the change to the cpu fan plus a power supply which I'll by with enough watts for a video card in mind. And a bluray drive. Will I get satisfactory results for 1080p movies without the video card or would one be recommended for better results?


Way off topic but if you have an Auto Zone close by most offer free check engine light diagnostics if your handy under the hood or know someone that is it can save some major bucks over a garage mechanic.
post #42 of 96
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Way off topic but if you have an Auto Zone close by most offer free check engine light diagnostics if your handy under the hood or know someone that is it can save some major bucks over a garage mechanic.
Thanks Dave84. I already did some research on it and it seems like no biggie for the check engine light but I'll be taking it to get the code read for sure. And unless I don't have the proper/expensive tools I try to do as much as I can myself. Reason that brings me here to dive into building my own htpc. My problem is sticking to a budget when I see something better but also more expensive.
post #43 of 96
I am not sure what Renethx means when he writes that the A10 5800 is 1.5 times better than the I5 HD 4000 when playing MadVR. However, here is an article in AnandTech which reviews the Trinity processors well for HTPC use: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6335/amds-trinity-an-htpc-perspective/4

Tomshardware.com is not particularly positive about the trinity processors but then they are not focusing on the home theater uses.

And of course the A10 is a less expensive solution.

You can drive yourself crazy digging into the details but based on your personal needs you may find information important to what you intend to accomplish.

And I am really using a Nvidia GT 440 1GB DDR5 assisted by the I5/HD 4000 using Virtu MVP so the 440 can use the Jinc scaler. So, I cannot really claim to be watching HD 4000 graphics.
Edited by Postmoderndesign - 1/8/13 at 11:35am
post #44 of 96
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Originally Posted by Postmoderndesign View Post

I am not sure what Renethx means when he writes that the A10 5800 is 1.5 times better than the I5 HD 4000 when playing MadVR.

Pretty straightforward: average rendering time is shorter by the factor ~1.5.
post #45 of 96
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So would the i5 have any advantage over the A10?
Meaning a certain use or task where it would clearly excel?
post #46 of 96
i5 is good for CPU intensive tasks such as video encoding and SVP. But if you don't use a good discrete graphics card, choosing i5 alone is pretty pointless for video playback.
post #47 of 96
I5 is better with video card though. So if you plan to buy a GPU the 3570k is much better choice.

As a CPU it's clearly much superior. Only as a GPU is it not clearly better.

I tend to buy my CPU based on how good it performs as a CPU. For that 3570k is clear winner. I have one in my HTPC.

I don't mind buying a video card if needed. That's the point.
If your going to do SVP and MADvr then it just makes sense to get 3570k and a better GPU card.

If your not... Then the integrated graphics in HD4000/3570k is fine. There is no difference in quality between AMD or intel CPU at plain old 1080p playback.

They will look the same.

If your not sure if you'll run SVP or MADVr then just get a 3570k and add a video card later if you find you need more GPU.

Only buy what you need. This will get you better CPU and keep your budget down. It also alows for a much higher level if performance later if needed.

My .02cents
Edited by Mfusick - 1/8/13 at 6:58am
post #48 of 96
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Thanks for your input guys. I'll stick with the 3570k due to the fact that I'll probably be doing some video encoding and plan to get a video card anyway for the ocasional gaming itch. What's the best video card that will fit in my case of choice and worth around $250-$300 tops? I think a card of that price range should satisfy my needs. Am I in the right ballpark? Mainly going off of reviews on Newegg and amazon. If a tried and true card costs less than that then I'm all for it.
post #49 of 96
$250 to $300 is a decent card. You can pretty much do any gaming or whatever with a 3570k and a $250 video card.


You can probably do light gaming without a card.

What kind of games ??
post #50 of 96
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I'm mostly into games like call of duty and fifa. But like to try other games out every now and then. On another note is there a preferred antivirus program for htpc purposes or does it not really matter? What's the preferred antivirus here in general. I've been running Norton Internet Security for a few years now mostly because I get next to nothing when I by it at Frys with the rebate they offer and the upgrade rebate from Norton every year. But it's starting to annoy me with it's deleting and holding files hostage without any consent on my part and some files it won't allow you to take off the delete list so it nags throughout the day to delete it.
post #51 of 96
I'd get a 660 Ti for those games and an Intel CPU. For antivirus I use Win 8 which has built in MSE. Never pipes up and holds your files hostage, never demands anything, and is seamlessly integrated into 8. If you go for 8, get Start8 which murders Metro for $5.
post #52 of 96
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I hadn't really thought of going with Windows 8 because I've seen mentions of W 7 being a good candidate. But if everything could be setup without problems on windows 8 depending on price I may go for it.
post #53 of 96
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I found this card at Amazon with great reviews and for only $230.00 the only but is that it doesn't say it's "ti" card. Is that an important part of a card to have or could I do without it? Users claim it could run the games that interest me just fine. Would it also be a problem fitting in the Silverstone case I chose along with the rest of the components or is there plenty if space? If the "ti" tag makes a big difference I'll start looking for a different one. Which brings me to the power supply. It seems with a video card like that at minimum a 550+ watts PS is recommended. I'm just not sure what size I'm supposed to be looking for to avoid getting too big for the case.
Check this out on AMZN:

MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card N660 TF 2GD5/OC
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094CX8QI/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
post #54 of 96
The 660 is slightly gimped compared to the Ti, if you can afford the Ti I can't go for it over a vanilla 660. For the PSU, those are over estimates as a few people run absolutely rubbish PSU's so Nvidia covers its ass just in case. I'd recommend a Seasonic X-660 if you want a very quiet very solid (but expensive) PSU.
post #55 of 96
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I don't mind spending a little extra on the psu or gpu to build something that's going to be great and reliable not just good and turn into a constant hardware replacement situation. I like the 660 power supply but it concerns me that because it's modular if it would cause any problems with the modular connections being in the way for another component in the case I've chosen but not purchased yet. I really want a htpc style case but if room is a factor to comfortably fit the parts I want then I might have to go with a tower case? Unless anyone here can assure me I will be ok with the case I like.
post #56 of 96
Make sure you check all your prices on NewEgg, too. Amazon is positively my favorite store, but when it comes to computer parts, sometimes NE beats them by a decent amount. For my HTPC, I ended up buying parts from TigerDirect, NE, and Amazon (mainly due to Black Friday deals, though, usually I don't find TD to be cheapest for parts). For my gaming PC I built about a year ago, I ended up getting everything from NE, except my SSD which I did find cheaper on Amazon.
post #57 of 96
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Thanks Catalytic. I've been checking in on Newegg too. Just that I have a prime membership with amazon so I search for products there most of the time. Due to unexpected expenses I have to push my purchasing of parts a few weeks longer but when I'm ready to start buying I'll be checking every posible place I can.
post #58 of 96
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While looking for 660 ti cards I saw some pre built gaming computers that even come with a i7k processor for cheaper than my total parts cost would be but no ssd and quality and noise is probably a big issue on those?
post #59 of 96
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Originally Posted by jaliscojorge View Post

While looking for 660 ti cards I saw some pre built gaming computers that even come with a i7k processor for cheaper than my total parts cost would be but no ssd and quality and noise is probably a big issue on those?

When it comes to gaming computers, you can usually build one with better components cheaper. I'd suggest posting the spec of the computer you are interested in and its price to see what these guys think about it. I'm not familiar with the requirements of the games you posted, so I wouldn't be able to give you much advice in that aspect. On my game forum, people post pre-builts all the time, and there are quite a few really knowledgeable guys that go through the build and see what is good and bad about it. A lot of times, there are a couple parts that look fantastic (say an i7 and a 660ti, but the mobo, ram and PSU are horrible)

I'll be honest, after having built my gaming computer, and now the HTPC....any desktops in the future will be built by me (and the husband, though he hasn't actually done any of the builds yet). The performance I get, along with the customization (for example, 6 SATA ports, and darn it, that's still not enough!)) is positively amazing. My husband never uses my gaming computer, so he didn't understand why I insisted on building our own HTPC, Within a few hours of getting it up and running, he was in love. When I found these forums, and then Assassin's Guides...that was it, HE said we would never buy off the shelf again. Not that you couldn't use AG to setup a pre-built computer, but here's an example using CyberPowerPC:

CyberPower's build, $862

*BASE_PRICE: [+509]
CAS: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Adjustable HDD Cage (Black Color) [-20]
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+20] (BLACK COLOR)
CPU: AMD A6-5400K 3.60 GHz Dual-Core APU w/ Integrated Radeon HD 7540D [-44]
CS_FAN: Default case fans
FAN: AMD Certified CPU Fan & Heatsink [-20]
HDD: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+27] (2TB x 2 (2TB Capacity) Raid 1 High Performance with Data Security [+112])
HDD2: 3TB (3TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+159] (Single Drive)
MEMORY: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory [+33] (Corsair or Major Brand)
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock FM2A55M-DGS A55 Chipset DDR3 Socket FM2 mATX w/ XFast USB+LAN+RAM, 5.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA2 RAID, 1 Gen2 PCIe X16, 1 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI [-23]
OS: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)
POWERSUPPLY: 430 Watts - Corsair CX430 V2 80 Plus Certified Power Supply [+14]

My build ~$780

I have a different case (the HAF 912 was out of stock when I ordered, so I bought a Rosewill for the same price)
I have FOUR 3TB HDDs (CP only offers up to a 2TB in bay 1, that build above only has a 2TB and a 3TB HDD)
My mobo has six 6gbs SATA ports, theirs has six 3gbs ports
My CPU, PSU, RAM, and DVD drives are the same, and I have Win7 64 bit included in my price.

It isn't a huge price difference between what I built and their configurator until you add two more 3TB HDDs to it.

So definitely compare prices one to one and make sure you can't build that PC for cheaper than the pre-built. Also, I'm on Amazon Prime (told you they're my fav company LOL), but even with shipping, NE beat them on prices sometimes. For my gaming computer, my invoice was right at $1050 for the parts, and shipping was only $11.28, plus they sometimes have rebates Amazon doesn't.

Good luck with whatever you decide!
post #60 of 96
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Yeah I could see how on the pre built units some parts are good while others weren't. My main thing was to build an htpc that would blend in with the rest of my components. But I want to be able to install a card like the 660 ti and a good power supply but since I'm not familiar with the exact room inside the Silverstone case I chose which appears to be one of their bigger cases I'm afraid of something would interfiere with another component like with the bluray drive which I've seen several warnings on htpc cases about that being a problem. I also want to make sure that even if the parts all fit that ventilation isn't going to be an issue either. If someone has any experience with the Silverstone tek-gd01b-mxr-usb3.0 knows if room and ventilation won't be a problem I'll feel more at ease. Or a recommendation to a good roomy case would be welcomed as well.
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