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post #1 of 70
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I just wanted to let the cat out of the bag. I'm resurrecting the Exodus Audio lineup with subwoofers returning to market in 2013.

This has been an unplanned change of events. My tolerance for risk has significantly changed since suffering through the events of two years ago. I wouldn't be undertaking this without a partner who is basically willing to shoulder the risk with me and whom brings significant design experience/relationships which make building high-end subwoofers in limited volumes possible.

My partner's background is in the pro-audio space and hence there are many design tweaks that will reflect his influence in the new models. These designs are not exact copies of the old designs so we will develop new product names for all models. Pricing and design targets are going to be somewhat upscale of where I priced the old Shiva/Tempest/Maelstrom models. They should still represent a good value based upon the fact that they will be direct to consumer pricing model rather than a distributor mark-up model.

The first model back in stock is a close relative of the Shiav-X, my old 12" subwoofer. I'll have updated parameters and measurements in Feb 2013. The 15", 18" and possibly 21" models will be following later in the year with a successful launch of the early models.

If you have any questions fire away.
post #2 of 70
Aaaaaayyyyeeee?!??!?!


AAAaaaayyyyeeeeeeeeee?!?!?!!?!?!?

Woot! Exodus will return! biggrin.gif

*cheers*


Hey there, Kevin. Great seeing you back here, with or without Exodus. Though that being said that you are bringing the company back and pricing will increase... what kind of prices do you think we can expect? What kind of changes will you be making to each series?
post #3 of 70
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Aaaaaayyyyeeee?!??!?!
AAAaaaayyyyeeeeeeeeee?!?!?!!?!?!?
Woot! Exodus will return! biggrin.gif
*cheers*
Hey there, Kevin. Great seeing you back here, with or without Exodus. Though that being said that you are bringing the company back and pricing will increase... what kind of prices do you think we can expect? What kind of changes will you be making to each series?

Thanks Scott...I've poked my nose in here occasionally but my time has been pretty limited.

There has been price inflation in materials that would have occurred had the old line survived and the other factor is that I'm spending more money on design features and producing these in smaller runs. I don't have fixed numbers at this point but I'd expect the Shiva replacement to come in around $275-$300ish each.

This model was originally used by one of my OEM customers (who is now my partner) and he specified a single 4-ohm coil. We changed the coil/former design based upon his experience in maximizing power handling in the pro sound market. Otherwise it is much like the Shiva with an XBL^2 motor, same basic design scope. Cosmetically it is slightly different because we are using his manufacturing partners and not all the soft parts (cone, surround, spider) made the transition. The motor structure is essentially unchanged.
post #4 of 70
Way to go my friend wink.gif
All the best going forward in 2013.
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post #5 of 70
Great news! Looking forward to the forthcoming products.
post #6 of 70
That's great to hear!

Any idea what 15" and 18" models will be priced?
post #7 of 70
Way to go Kevin! Glad to have you back in the mix!! Good luck!!
post #8 of 70
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Originally Posted by RAWAC View Post

Way to go my friend wink.gif
All the best going forward in 2013.
wink.gif))

Good to hear from you! Give me a call when you get a chance and we can chew the fat.
post #9 of 70
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

That's great to hear!
Any idea what 15" and 18" models will be priced?

I don't.... at this point. We are starting with a fresh sheet of paper on everything. We have more flexibility in design choices than I had when I created the originals so each format will likely use unique motors and I'd expect the 15", 18" & 21" to all utilize larger diameter coils and target smaller box sizes.
post #10 of 70
What is target Xmax for these subs?

Best of luck with the new venture! It will be nice to have another high quality option for DIY subs.

JSS
post #11 of 70
Very glad to hear this. Welcome back!
post #12 of 70
Whoa! That's awesome, welcome back! This is great news for DIY'ers. cool.gif
post #13 of 70
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

What is target Xmax for these subs?
Best of luck with the new venture! It will be nice to have another high quality option for DIY subs.
JSS

We will probably target the same general output levels. It requires so much power to utilize 25-30mm of stroke in reasonable sized boxes that adding more gets very expensive both in terms of the transducer itself and the required amplifier to drive it. We will focus more on optimizing what we have and improving quality. Of course I reserve the right to change my mind. smile.gif

The discussion in general has been towards improving the suspension/motor ratio such that we increase safety margin when overdriven. All will feature fairly low native inductance and some unique shorting coil/ring designs to optimize inductance to the extent possible.

What will make them unique in the market is their inductance control and they will capitalize on my experience (the good, bad and the ugly) on how to design high-stroke subwoofers.
Edited by Kevin Haskins - 12/26/12 at 7:16pm
post #14 of 70
Hell yeah!
I remember when I just joined here, Shiva-x builds were all the craze, and maelstrom's too.
Great subs.
Can't wait to hear more in the future.
post #15 of 70
Great news! I've been searching for a satisfactory 18" option for my new room since you stopped making my current driver

Put me down for 2 x 18" in about 12 months time biggrin.gif
post #16 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

We will probably target the same general output levels. It requires so much power to utilize 25-30mm of stroke in reasonable sized boxes that adding more gets very expensive both in terms of the transducer itself and the required amplifier to drive it. We will focus more on optimizing what we have and improving quality. Of course I deserve the right to change my mind. smile.gif
The discussion in general has been towards improving the suspension/motor ratio such that we increase safety margin when overdriven. All will feature fairly low native inductance and some unique shorting coil/ring designs to optimize inductance to the extent possible.
What will make them unique in the market is their inductance control and they will capitalize on my experience (the good, bad and the ugly) on how to design high-stroke subwoofers.

Exactly how much risk are we talking about, $10-20k?
I don't have any "motor design" experience or "TS measuring" equipment, but if you need someone to put the 15", 18", 21" prototypes subs "through the ringer" prior to their public release in late 2013, let me know. I can put ~8000watts into a single coil at any frequency or load between 1-8ohm (Lab & iTech); and I could tell you how they compare SQ-wise to my LMS-18 and Mal-21's which are my current Bass-Reference drivers.
I live roughly 300-400 miles east of Port Angeles by road, so shipping should be cheap.
post #17 of 70
Hey Kevin, good to hear you're back in the game. It'll be exciting to see what Tempest style driver comes out.

Oh, and if you need a completely different kind of "beta tester", I have a 2y/o that destroys everything in sight.
post #18 of 70
Oh Great. Soon my new subs will be SOOO LATE 2012!!!
post #19 of 70
Great to see Kevin back, very good news for the new year.
post #20 of 70
Welcome back Kevin. I am still using two of your drivers, Mal-18" and 12" Shiva.
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post #21 of 70
Very cool. I may need to think long term exodus for an 18 or 15 to anchor the low end of my 4 x 12. Maybe next years Christmas present.
post #22 of 70
This is great news for DIY'ers. Good Luck Kevin!
post #23 of 70
What great news!

I still have 5 of your products Kevin and they all work great.

Kevin really is one of the better people in the game and it makes the DIY community that much better to have him back.
post #24 of 70
Sweet.... Looking forward to what you come up with!
post #25 of 70
Feels like the godfather part III


Since these are smaller runs might we see a maelx motor on the tempest?
post #26 of 70
great to hear, I always wanted to build some stuff with your drivers
post #27 of 70
Sweet.

The ur-Mael X was IMO the first reasonably priced 18" dedicated sub that really made sense: enough motor to work well in a small-for-an-18 box without needing massive EQ, low inductance, enough travel that basically it couldn't be bottomed by any amp drawing power from a 120V, 15A circuit, good inductance control. I really enjoyed mine (though I'm currently using all Aurasound bass drivers, and I sold my Mael-X earlier this year.)

From what you wrote above (quoted below) it sounds like the new lines will be guided by the same pragmatic principles, but with the benefit of another few years of technological progress. That kind of thing dearly deserves to succeed.
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

***It requires so much power to utilize 25-30mm of stroke in reasonable sized boxes *** We will focus more on optimizing what we have and improving quality. *** improving the suspension/motor ratio such that we increase safety margin when overdriven. All will feature fairly low native inductance and some unique shorting coil/ring designs to optimize inductance to the extent possible.

What will make them unique in the market is their inductance control and they will capitalize on my experience (the good, bad and the ugly) on how to design high-stroke subwoofers.

Edited by DS-21 - 12/27/12 at 1:59pm
post #28 of 70
That's great news! I'm glad to hear it!
Edited by PassingInterest - 12/28/12 at 5:37pm
post #29 of 70
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Originally Posted by stgdz View Post

Feels like the godfather part III
Since these are smaller runs might we see a maelx motor on the tempest?

LOL... I'll take a Godfather reference as a compliment.

First off.... it gives me the warm and fuzzies to see how everyone has responded to the news. I'm glad that after the train-wreck I had with the Maelstrom failures that I still have some support in the community.

Second, I've not finalized any details with the 15", 18" or 21" designs. In fact... we have a clean sheet to design from for everything but the new 12" (because it is already built) and the Anarchy, which while I could improve, there is value in keeping the design consistent and not changing the product simply because I can.

So.. my concept of how we design them is totally open to input from my most important audience.... DIYers. Obviously I cannot please everyone and what may be "coolest" isn't necessarily what I can sell profitably. But other than the fact that we will roll one design at a time (or maybe two) I'm pretty open to input on design goals and I'd be happy to share the development ideas and concepts as we move forward. Collaboration with my audience is key to success!
post #30 of 70
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Originally Posted by lilmike View Post

Sweet.... Looking forward to what you come up with!

Mike... I'm sure whatever you come up with will be more interesting. tongue.gif

I've not dug into your email because I'm juggling two jobs at the moment. I'm sorry to say the 12" is pretty much done so while a TH optimized version isn't going to happen right away although I think what you modeled with the original Shiva was a beast. I'd be surprised if our changes will not drop right in but I'll measure the production run when we get it and let you play.
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