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post #31 of 70
We want a 28" sub with 80mm of 1 way stroke, a 8 inch VC, Argo style super Neo motor, cone made from a spiders silk, 3 replaceable surrounds and Oh ya, it has to way less than 10 lbs and be able to output 150dB's at 100 yards..... ok GO!!! tongue.gif
post #32 of 70
And all that for $250. Get on it, Kev. tongue.gif
post #33 of 70
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

We want a 28" sub with 80mm of 1 way stroke, a 8 inch VC, Argo style super Neo motor, cone made from a spiders silk, 3 replaceable surrounds and Oh ya, it has to way less than 10 lbs and be able to output 150dB's at 100 yards..... ok GO!!! tongue.gif

a 28" with holy **** amounts of xmax is something I could get onboard with. cool.gif neo can go to hell it only adds to the cost biggrin.gif

realistically though, any chance well be seeing a pro audio style line? :oh please oh please oh please: with high 90s DB@1W1M
post #34 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

I just wanted to let the cat out of the bag. I'm resurrecting the Exodus Audio lineup with subwoofers returning to market in 2013.
This has been an unplanned change of events. My tolerance for risk has significantly changed since suffering through the events of two years ago. I wouldn't be undertaking this without a partner who is basically willing to shoulder the risk with me and whom brings significant design experience/relationships which make building high-end subwoofers in limited volumes possible.
My partner's background is in the pro-audio space and hence there are many design tweaks that will reflect his influence in the new models. These designs are not exact copies of the old designs so we will develop new product names for all models. Pricing and design targets are going to be somewhat upscale of where I priced the old Shiva/Tempest/Maelstrom models. They should still represent a good value based upon the fact that they will be direct to consumer pricing model rather than a distributor mark-up model.
The first model back in stock is a close relative of the Shiav-X, my old 12" subwoofer. I'll have updated parameters and measurements in Feb 2013. The 15", 18" and possibly 21" models will be following later in the year with a successful launch of the early models.
If you have any questions fire away.

Glad to see your return! Does this mean you can possibly rebuild my broken Mal-x?

On a serious note, welcome back. I know you are not likely to have the parts to rebuild your old products smile.gif
post #35 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

we have a clean sheet to design from for everything but the ....... Anarchy, which while I could improve, there is value in keeping the design consistent and not changing the product simply because I can.

Speaking of the Anarchy (sorry this might not be an appropriate place for this), Kevin I dont suppose you've done a design for it using multiple drivers like the BR Radia subs? http://bgradia.com/subwoofer-speakers.html
post #36 of 70
Thought this was some thread raised from the dead but nope.. its a real one.

Very anxious to see whats up with this.

Kevin my advice is to fill a niche between the UXL-18 and the dayton 18HO. like $400-$450? Doesnt need to be as capable as the UXL-18.
post #37 of 70
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Originally Posted by omegaslast View Post

Thought this was some thread raised from the dead but nope.. its a real one.
Very anxious to see whats up with this.
Kevin my advice is to fill a niche between the UXL-18 and the dayton 18HO. like $400-$450? Doesnt need to be as capable as the UXL-18.
Or just make a killer sub , that no one can come near to. biggrin.gif
post #38 of 70
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Originally Posted by omegaslast View Post

Thought this was some thread raised from the dead but nope.. its a real one.
Very anxious to see whats up with this.
Kevin my advice is to fill a niche between the UXL-18 and the dayton 18HO. like $400-$450? Doesnt need to be as capable as the UXL-18.

That was what the maelx was. Low vs high Xmas xbl2 motor for under 500 (last I remember) but prices are going up.
post #39 of 70
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Originally Posted by Elill View Post

***Speaking of the Anarchy (sorry this might not be an appropriate place for this), Kevin I dont suppose you've done a design for it using multiple drivers like the BR Radia subs? http://bgradia.com/subwoofer-speakers.html

That's easy enough to do. Just get some PVC tubes, put an Anarchy at each, attach them together (maybe with two ladder-type frames) and go.

That's a very expensive approach for the volume displacement offered, IMO. For some situations it could be a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

***Second, I've not finalized any details with the 15", 18" or 21" designs. In fact... we have a clean sheet to design from for everything but the new 12" (because it is already built) and the Anarchy, which while I could improve, there is value in keeping the design consistent and not changing the product simply because I can.

So.. my concept of how we design them is totally open to input from my most important audience.... DIYers. Obviously I cannot please everyone and what may be "coolest" isn't necessarily what I can sell profitably. ***

If you're taking requests smile.gif one thing that I think would be really cool (and equally important, a market niche not currently filled) is a sort-of drop in replacement for the old Revel/JBL Sub1500. Basically, something with the cone mass and motor force to work well with minimal EQ in around 1.5-2 cubes per woofer, maybe a little more throw than the Sub1500, but also good heat management and a top end clean to ~300Hz like that woofer. That kind of woofer would be great for everything from modern-day NHT 3.3-type medium-efficiency towers to dual-opposed supersubs to boxes that barely fit the woofer for car-fi.

You know better than do, but I suspect a 15 that will work well in smaller boxes than your old Tempest-X did would do better sales-wise than, say, yet another 18" supersub. It looks to me like the new Dayton Ref 18 is going to make it hard to justify most other 18's for home use, given its abilities as measured at data-bass.com, looks, and $250 price. Especially given that the number of us crazies who buy 18" woofers is small to begin with, and many if not most of us are content with what we already have.
post #40 of 70
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

That's easy enough to do. Just get some PVC tubes, put an Anarchy at each, attach them together (maybe with two ladder-type frames) and go.
That's a very expensive approach for the volume displacement offered, IMO. For some situations it could be a good idea.

If you're taking requests smile.gif one thing that I think would be really cool (and equally important, a market niche not currently filled) is a sort-of drop in replacement for the old Revel/JBL Sub1500. Basically, something with the cone mass and motor force to work well with minimal EQ in around 1.5-2 cubes per woofer, maybe a little more throw than the Sub1500, but also good heat management and a top end clean to ~300Hz like that woofer. That kind of woofer would be great for everything from modern-day NHT 3.3-type medium-efficiency towers to dual-opposed supersubs to boxes that barely fit the woofer for car-fi.
You know better than do, but I suspect a 15 that will work well in smaller boxes than your old Tempest-X did would do better sales-wise than, say, yet another 18" supersub. It looks to me like the new Dayton Ref 18 is going to make it hard to justify most other 18's for home use, given its abilities as measured at data-bass.com, looks, and $250 price. Especially given that the number of us crazies who buy 18" woofers is small to begin with, and many if not most of us are content with what we already have.

What does good with sales is hard to nail down. It changes all the time with competition, fads, what is posted on the forums etc...etc... The Maelstrom was my best seller for most of the time but it became too big of a chunk of my business and when I had problems it sunk me. The reality is this market changes so quickly and one negative review on the web can make something go from flying out the door to sitting on the shelf. We have to plan with that reality.

Our vision is to have a lineup similar in scope to what I had before with some of the common design themes of using advanced inductance control with moderately high stroke motors with usable output with common amplifiers. What I'll probably do is start a blog that gives people the mechanism to give us feedback as we work through development. This isn't going to happen overnight and I think we start with an overall vision for what the lineup is going to be and work towards it one model at a time.
post #41 of 70
I have to agree with DS-21, what is missing on the market right now is a high quality, low-Q 15" driver. I would love to get my hands on something similar to AE AV15H or the JBL1500!
post #42 of 70
This place loves change

One year its ported subs
One year its horn subs
One year its sealed subs


Pick a design that is good for all of those and you will have a winner.
post #43 of 70
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Originally Posted by stgdz View Post

This place loves change
One year its ported subs
One year its horn subs
One year its sealed subs
Pick a design that is good for all of those and you will have a winner.

Or
One year it's a single expensive driver
One year is's a couple medium priced drivers
One year it's four to eight cheaper drivers
post #44 of 70
Welcome back to the trenches. We can always use more warriors like you. smile.gif
post #45 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

That's easy enough to do. Just get some PVC tubes, put an Anarchy at each, attach them together (maybe with two ladder-type frames) and go.
That's a very expensive approach for the volume displacement offered, IMO. For some situations it could be a good idea.

If you're taking requests smile.gif one thing that I think would be really cool (and equally important, a market niche not currently filled) is a sort-of drop in replacement for the old Revel/JBL Sub1500. Basically, something with the cone mass and motor force to work well with minimal EQ in around 1.5-2 cubes per woofer, maybe a little more throw than the Sub1500, but also good heat management and a top end clean to ~300Hz like that woofer. That kind of woofer would be great for everything from modern-day NHT 3.3-type medium-efficiency towers to dual-opposed supersubs to boxes that barely fit the woofer for car-fi.
You know better than do, but I suspect a 15 that will work well in smaller boxes than your old Tempest-X did would do better sales-wise than, say, yet another 18" supersub. It looks to me like the new Dayton Ref 18 is going to make it hard to justify most other 18's for home use, given its abilities as measured at data-bass.com, looks, and $250 price. Especially given that the number of us crazies who buy 18" woofers is small to begin with, and many if not most of us are content with what we already have.

What does good with sales is hard to nail down. It changes all the time with competition, fads, what is posted on the forums etc...etc... The Maelstrom was my best seller for most of the time but it became too big of a chunk of my business and when I had problems it sunk me. The reality is this market changes so quickly and one negative review on the web can make something go from flying out the door to sitting on the shelf. We have to plan with that reality.

Our vision is to have a lineup similar in scope to what I had before with some of the common design themes of using advanced inductance control with moderately high stroke motors with usable output with common amplifiers. What I'll probably do is start a blog that gives people the mechanism to give us feedback as we work through development. This isn't going to happen overnight and I think we start with an overall vision for what the lineup is going to be and work towards it one model at a time.

Hi Kevin,

Best of luck with the reboot!

My own 2c would be that while it's important to listen for themes in what the vocal customers are asking for and use that as some guiding inspiration, it's equally important to build what you and your partner are excited about. In other words, build something you would buy if you had the discretionary funds.

The blog through development is a great idea. Communicating the reasoning for different choices is very beneficial, even if at first it seems you are chasing away some of those who have different preferences.

Have a Happy New Year,
post #46 of 70
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Originally Posted by madlim View Post

I have to agree with DS-21, what is missing on the market right now is a high quality, low-Q 15" driver. I would love to get my hands on something similar to AE AV15H or the JBL1500!

Easy enough.. that is essentially what was on the plans for the Tempest reboot.
post #47 of 70
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Originally Posted by onebadmonte View Post

Welcome back to the trenches. We can always use more warriors like you. smile.gif

I'm no longer a warrior. This is a side business so I don't depend on it for income is the only way I can make it work. wink.gif
post #48 of 70
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Hi Kevin,
Best of luck with the reboot!
My own 2c would be that while it's important to listen for themes in what the vocal customers are asking for and use that as some guiding inspiration, it's equally important to build what you and your partner are excited about. In other words, build something you would buy if you had the discretionary funds.
The blog through development is a great idea. Communicating the reasoning for different choices is very beneficial, even if at first it seems you are chasing away some of those who have different preferences.
Have a Happy New Year,

Reboot is a good term.

For me an interesting product would be a non-subwoofer. I'd like to do a coax design with a 7" midwoofer and put a tweeter in the pole. Do a Genelec type design where it crosses over above 250-400Hz so you don't modulate the tweeter output. Waveguide it to get good directivity. It could be fairly efficient since it is a midrange rather than a midwoofer.

I have a couple motors designed that would work. I think there are plenty of open tool baskets that we could tool the soft parts around. I don't have any real experience designing cones (midrange cones) but I think I could figure it out with a little help.

That would be a fun project for me because it makes sense from a design standpoint and there just isn't a lot of properly engineered solutions like that on the market.
post #49 of 70
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Originally Posted by madlim View Post

I have to agree with DS-21, what is missing on the market right now is a high quality, low-Q 15" driver. I would love to get my hands on something similar to AE AV15H or the JBL1500!
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

Easy enough.. that is essentially what was on the plans for the Tempest reboot.

Well that is just some awesome news Kevin, really made me glad to read that there is at least some hope for 2013! And when where these going to available did you say? smile.gifcool.gif
post #50 of 70
That would be something right up my alley! Please make a coax that actually works. Unlike all the SEAS that measure poorly. Only the kef seems to work. And you're right. Very few products like this available.

I wouldn't mind if it had some bass, then in the near field on a desk, this would be the way to go. If woofer support was required, I'd still be interested, just with a different application.
post #51 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kevin Haskins View Post

Easy enough.. that is essentially what was on the plans for the Tempest reboot.

Oh and may I wish for some lower Q and Le, and bit more motor strength and you will have a winner if it's decent prize. You could probably start looking at prices for shipping a few pallets over to Europe already!smile.gif
post #52 of 70
I want to build a new slotted port 15 or sealed 18" ... subscribed to this thread.
post #53 of 70
Sweet! More options is always better!cool.gifsmile.gif
post #54 of 70
Just saw this on the DIYCable main page:

"Updates: May 2013
Going out of business SALE!!!
It has been a good run but due to circumstances in life I'm pulling the plug on DIYCable & Exodus Audio. I've been operating on part-time status for the last couple years and my wife and I have decided it is time to move-on."

Not sure if this indicates the reboot plans fizzled, or (hopefully) just that the lineup is coming back under a different name with the new partner. :-(
post #55 of 70
That sucks. I just bought a Shiva a few months ago and had plans on picking up another one. To me it looks like those models Shiva and Anarchy aren't coming back, they look like they are discounted to get rid of the last of them. Probably not something you would do if a partner was coming in to take over.

Looks like Creative Sound will be the go to company for XBL2 products, be nice to see them pick up the Anarchy as it and keep it going.
post #56 of 70
I believe Bob and Kevin have a good relationship. Perhaps Bob can pickup the Anarchy design from Kevin and sell it. I'd really like a pair of the Anarchy but getting it to Canada is a pain because Kevin only sends UPS. I also think CSS could use a woofer like this in their lineup. Right now they only have the very small VWR125 and a couple subs. Nothing in between.
post #57 of 70
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I believe Bob and Kevin have a good relationship. Perhaps Bob can pickup the Anarchy design from Kevin and sell it. I'd really like a pair of the Anarchy but getting it to Canada is a pain because Kevin only sends UPS. I also think CSS could use a woofer like this in their lineup. Right now they only have the very small VWR125 and a couple subs. Nothing in between.

I hope so, the Anarchy is just too good of a driver to let disappear. Someone needs to pick up the design, I did find out that Arx speakers from Audio Insider uses a 5.3" verison of the Anarchy and are made in the same factory, maybe they can pick up the driver.
post #58 of 70
I got an email from Bob saying he'd email Kevin. Who knows what'll come of it, but we can hope.
post #59 of 70
I'd consider helping keep the Anarchy available.
post #60 of 70
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I'd consider helping keep the Anarchy available.

That would be awesome, perhaps when the tapped horn kits come available again (if) you could just bundle the Anarchy driver with it. Maybe Kevin could just sign over the OEM build house rights to you and just keep them going.
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