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Gimmicks so far. When is sony's conference?
post #152 of 412
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Gimmicks so far. When is sony's conference?

Sony will be on at 5pm PT
post #153 of 412
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post


You mean as black as Apple thinks? Sure, ok. Beats me. You'll have to ask them. How black would it be? You have me wondering that point---Wouldn't it be at least as black as a locally dimmed LED-LCD black is now?.

No, not even remotely close.

LED-LCD blacks have two things this design would lack (1) a dark backplane behind the LC layer. That absorbs whatever hits it, because it's non-reflective. (2) Color filters and polarizers in addition to the LC layer. All of those absorb some light, making LCD TVs very good at looking dark in a bright room. You could still have polarizers on your "LCD layer" thingy, but it will make it even less transparent. You can't have color filters or else it will look, well, colored. Your room's paint is reflective on purpose to keep your room from looking too dark.

It would be nowhere near as dark as an LED-LCD TV and would have a fraction the contrast.


Oh, and as for that stand, I guess I posted over in the LCD forum, but, yes, the 85" has about the most hideous revolting stand design ever. The F series is infinitely more beautiful because, well, the standard is so horrid.
post #154 of 412
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

You guys make a strong argument. But I look at the F8500 and I'm looking for a hammer to pound it flat so I can prop the thing up against the wall instead. Seriously, I look at that bent outwards bow and I cringe cringe cringe.
It's plenty ugly too. Most people on this forum could have designed more elegant stands in 5 minutes. Why do they try to reinvent a stand, anyway? I thought we reached the pinnacle of TV stand design years ago. smile.gif

It's like they had finally perfected a wheel, saw it working perfectly, then said: "It's about time we redesigned it."
Edited by vtms - 1/7/13 at 4:03pm
post #155 of 412
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Sony’s 2013 HDTV Line Revealed

http://hdguru.com/sonys-2013-hdtv-line-revealed/9750/

You can also find details about all the lineups for all the other major manufacturers, LG, Samsung, Panasonic, and Sharp at that same link, which should it make it easier for you folks to read up on them.
post #156 of 412
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

It's plenty ugly too. Most people on this forum could have designed more elegant stands in 5 minutes. Why do they try to reinvent a stand, anyway? I thought we reached the pinnacle of TV stand design years ago. smile.gif
It's like they had finally perfected a wheel, saw it working perfectly, then said: "It's about time we redesigned it."

When you get to the point of where a design is working well and liked by the masses, then you are forced to go the "Avant Garde" route;which John Lennon said "is French for Bullsh..".
post #157 of 412
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Sony’s 2013 HDTV Line Revealed
http://hdguru.com/sonys-2013-hdtv-line-revealed/9750/
You can also find details about all the lineups for all the other major manufacturers, LG, Samsung, Panasonic, and Sharp at that same link, which should it make it easier for you folks to read up on them.

Passive, passive, passive, and an active at the top. HUH! They're looking better to me than LG all of a sudden.......I wonder how they'll shake out......
post #158 of 412
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Passive, passive, passive, and an active at the top. HUH! They're looking better to me than LG all of a sudden.......I wonder how they'll shake out......

I didn't find this article too terribly informative, unlike the one about Panasonic's 2013. That article unveils literally every FP for 2013. Both this one and the Samsung one I find to be vague. Oh well. Still informative to an extent smile.gif
post #159 of 412
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Sony’s 2013 HDTV Line Revealed
http://hdguru.com/sonys-2013-hdtv-line-revealed/9750/
You can also find details about all the lineups for all the other major manufacturers, LG, Samsung, Panasonic, and Sharp at that same link, which should it make it easier for you folks to read up on them.

Once again I see more evolutionary and nothing revolutionary. The white brightness increase of 250% from Samsung's top of the line Plasma caught my eye. Hopefully that comes from a massive power efficiency increase. Maybe that will decrease the buzz levels...

I would love to get another Samsung plasma but my Sharp has me hooked. It will take something special to get me to downsize 6 inches or more... Especially if Sharp keeps improving their 80 and 90 inch LCDs.

Oh, and what is up with everyone making some stupidly ugly stands? What happened to keep it simple?
post #160 of 412
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Samsung's 85-inch 4K beats it by many miles. Now, that's the ugliest stand I've ever seen in my life. smile.gif Who could have possibly green-lit this thing? It's a chalkboard.

It's probably just a test to see what dummy uses a stand and doesn't mount an 85 on the wall. For those who fail this test are not ready for an 85inch display and punishment is an ugly stand and turn in their HT membership card.

Rick
post #161 of 412
I just got home from work and searching. Nothing about an Elite update? An 80 yet? 4k?

Rick
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I just got home from work and searching. Nothing about an Elite update? An 80 yet? 4k?
Rick

I was also hoping for a new Elite especially since the VT whooped it at the shootout for best picture quality
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I was also hoping for a new Elite especially since the VT whooped it at the shootout for best picture quality

Hey Hey- I LOVE my 70 Elite. biggrin.gif

An 80 would be awesome.

Did Panasonic announce anything in the 70 up range or still that mid-sized butt-whooping little 65? Oh wait they have new pen technology. Awesome. tongue.gif

Rick
post #164 of 412
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Hey Hey- I LOVE my 70 Elite. biggrin.gif
An 80 would be awesome.
Did Panasonic announce anything in the 70 up range or still that mid-sized butt-whooping little 65? Oh wait they have new pen technology. Awesome. tongue.gif
Rick

The Elite is gorgeous, but he's right. The VT did beat it wink.gif
post #165 of 412
What is this new ZT line from panasonic??? Kuro successor maybe??
post #166 of 412
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

What is this new ZT line from panasonic??? Kuro successor maybe??

Being that they supplanted the GT series for the VT and supplanted the VT for the ZT it remains to be seen. That being said, I can't wait to see a ZT60 and play around with it. I'm excited. Like a kid at Christmas. Hopefully it can rival the Kuro. The VT50 did a damn good job.
post #167 of 412
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

fror members attending ces, could you kindly post what the consumer electronic companies are actually displaying at the convention.
i've already read 2 news articles that are wildly inaccurate.
one claims lg is displaying and 84" oled . the other claims sony is showing off its 4k oled.
maybe this is correct, but i'm skeptical

I agree. This is the CES 2013 Thread. I am only interested in the new TVs etc that are on show, not views about transparent LED, white subs, Apple patents, etc. These are valid points and views but perhaps should be continued on other more relevant Threads. wink.gif
post #168 of 412
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Once again I see more evolutionary and nothing revolutionary.
They seem to have overlooked the Triluminos Display LED backlighting utilising QD Vision’s ColorIQ optical component, Gorilla Glass 3, and a completely redesigned speaker system.

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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

What is this new ZT line from panasonic??? Kuro successor maybe??
It certainly seems like it could be possible this year, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up until the sets are actually available, unless they have a demo next to one of the KRPs. The last two generations of Panasonic plasma were “Kuro killers” until sets were actually available to be tested. Still, they do talk about a new driving system on the ZT series.
post #169 of 412
^I never saw (nor believed) the claim from anyone with any credibility that previous year models were "Kuro killers." Maybe the reporting/hype sites.
post #170 of 412
Sorry, I only referenced the transparent stuff because of the ridiculous idea Samsung was going to announce a transparent OLED TV this year.

Instead, their "revolutionary" product was an 85" OLED with the world's ugliest industrial design!

EDIT -- YES YES, I meant 85" 4K LCD.... Sorry for the typo/brain freeze.
Edited by rogo - 1/8/13 at 10:48am
post #171 of 412
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Sorry, I only referenced the transparent stuff because of the ridiculous idea Samsung was going to announce a transparent OLED TV this year.
Instead, their "revolutionary" product was an 85" OLED with the world's ugliest industrial design!

The stand is awful. Perhaps they should have concentrated on a transparent stand instead. biggrin.gif
post #172 of 412
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The stand is awful. Perhaps they should have concentrated on a transparent stand instead. biggrin.gif

Now, that would have been something.

Incidentally, I did some "what if" if my living room and I concluded that while I could in theory accommodate a 90" Sharp or even maybe a 110" something or other, I'd have to throw out all my furniture -- and everything it stores -- to fit this Samsung monstrosity. The other TVs would fit awkwardly and I wouldn't really want them for a lot of reasons, but they'd be plausible. The Samsung would fit in none of the rooms of my house under any realistic circumstances. What were they thinking?
post #173 of 412
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Sorry, I only referenced the transparent stuff because of the ridiculous idea Samsung was going to announce a transparent OLED TV this year.
Instead, their "revolutionary" product was an 85" OLED with the world's ugliest industrial design!

I believe Rogo made an error here. It's my understanding the "revolutionary" product is not an 85" OLED but instead is a 4K LED.
post #174 of 412
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Now, that would have been something.
55EM9600?

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Incidentally, I did some "what if" if my living room and I concluded that while I could in theory accommodate a 90" Sharp or even maybe a 110" something or other, I'd have to throw out all my furniture -- and everything it stores -- to fit this Samsung monstrosity. The other TVs would fit awkwardly and I wouldn't really want them for a lot of reasons, but they'd be plausible. The Samsung would fit in none of the rooms of my house under any realistic circumstances. What were they thinking?
Perhaps that should go in a living room forum. (J/K, J/K...)

Nah, earlier in the thread, you only went 10 feet astray. I however hopped a bus and drove 30 miles off topic.

Seemed like a good idea at the time. gigasm15.gif LOL

In ANY case, new ugly stands, new announced technology, new sizes, new bad ideas, are all directly connected to particular announcements, so at least those ought to be here.

And you bet: the sizes are getting nuts.
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Originally Posted by Rich Peterson View Post

I believe Rogo made an error here. It's my understanding the "revolutionary" product is not an 85" OLED but instead is a 4K LED.

He just made a mental error from fatigue. He knows that it is a 4K LED unit.
post #176 of 412
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEDOJv6kyGc


For those of you looking to put one of these in your living room, you better start getting creative with your reasons why your wife should allow that monstrosity in the room.
post #177 of 412
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"We just got out of Sony's press conference. Scott what did you think about it?"

Scott: "It was really uninspiring".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o187RYUBotY

"4K 4K 4K, that is all anyone wanted to talk about"

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Perhaps Sony should use a marketing slogan: You should all just go 4K yourselves!wink.gif
post #178 of 412
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEDOJv6kyGc
For those of you looking to put one of these in your living room, you better start getting creative with your reasons why your wife should allow that monstrosity in the room.
That thing is supposed to be a "Timeless Design" ??? I'm one of the (probably few) that like that stand, but that's not exactly something that's always been, and always will be.
post #179 of 412
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

"We just got out of Sony's press conference. Scott what did you think about it?"
Scott: "It was really uninspiring".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o187RYUBotY
"4K 4K 4K, that is all anyone wanted to talk about"

LOL. I want my 3 minutes and 7 seconds back. smile.gif These two sound like highschoolers.
post #180 of 412
$25,000 for a television is just so far beyond what even a hopeless AV nut like me can even fathom that it's just plain freakin hilarious to me.

James
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