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post #121 of 371
Hi all,

I need some HELP with the remote.
I am using an external HD (FAT32) to listen to mp3.
Last night it ran fien, then I don't know what I have push certain buttons on the remote.
Now the ipod/USB function does not work.
Basically the AV recognizes the HD but I cannot move the selection up or down. At first I thought that the HD is toast but it runs fine on my PC.
I tried to reset the remore according to pg 79 of the manual but it doesn't work.

Can somebody help? THANKS.
post #122 of 371
Make sure you pressed iPod/USB input button on remote first before you can use the navigation buttons. Otherwise, it won't work. Don't press RECEIVER button. Otherwise, it will not working again. I don't know why Pioneer feels the need to create 3 different set of navigation commands (RECEIVER, iPod/USB and NET) on the same remote buttons.
post #123 of 371
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Originally Posted by JK2323 View Post

I have 2 Bose outdoor speakers wired into my Front Wide (Zone 3) ports with 16 awg wire, however I cannot hear anything from them. I've tried "turning on" Zone 3 but this didn't solve my problem. Anyone have any suggestions?
Bring the Bose speakers inside, and that will make them easier to hear.
post #124 of 371
The iPod/USB input button on remote is reflected on the receiver screen.
I remembered that the RCU setup button was pressed by mistake.

I will try again with your suggestion. Thanks.
post #125 of 371
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

With all the mixed reviews on this thread. I am staring to think this may not be the most reliable reciever? for the $600 price tag its an awesome deal, but not if it wont last as long as a Denon or Marantz.

Can you use the B speakers to power zones 2 and 3. Ideally playing airplay music in three rooms, same signal at the same time?

Yamaha calls this feature party mode.

well, if you've been reading or dl the manual then you'd know wink.gif

B set of speakers as B speakers, playing analog, dig, HDMI same source as main room > yes

a zone 2/3 multizone setup, with using receiver's multizone functionality, analog, can be independent of main room > yes
a zone 2/3 multizone setup, with using receiver's multizone functionality, digital & HDMI sources > no

it's pretty plain in the manual and been discussed a whole lot in every Pioneer thread wink.gif

reliability? no more or less than any other AVR at this price point. most issues are the user not following directions, understanding them, or not reading relevant info in the manuals

I've owned Pioneer AVR's, including 4 top Elites since the mid-80's and never had one problem or failure to do something it was designed to do. most new owners are struggling with setup problems they don't understand, expectations that setup is plug & play, or HDMI quirks & incompatibilities which applies to everyone's receivers.

my opinion and ymmv

no party mode, as Yamaha implements it, in Pioneer. multizones are source/input/connection dependent EXCEPT for using the B terminals as a true 2nd pair of speakers in another room, in which case you can play any source you want & you'll get 2 ch in the other room, but you'll have to select the specific speaker configuration (7.1 + B) for that to work. if you select 7.1 or 5.1 + zone 2/3 configurations, you'll have to use analog connections.
Edited by ss9001 - 4/21/13 at 6:37am
post #126 of 371
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

what do you mean "turn on" zone 3? what speaker configuration are you using? B) 7.2 + speaker B, D) 7.2 + Zone 2, E) 7.2 FW/FH + Zone 2, F) 5.2 Biamp + Zone 2 or G) 5.2 + Zone 2/3 ??

multizone configurations are not the same as connecting a 2nd set of speakers as B speakers (config B and using the SPEAKER button on the remote to select the B speakers).

if you connected the Bose to FW (also used as B terminals), you should follow the directions on pg 36, and you can use config B to use as a 2nd B set of speakers (listen to same source as main room only) or config G (if you want the ability to listen to other sources independent of what's playing in main room). you can't use the normal default 9.2 config and use B speakers or zones 2/3 so you can't have wides/heights in main room & also have a zone 2/3.

and you realize the only types of connections & sources that can be switched to zone 2/3 are analog? if you are only using HDMI, then you will never get those signals passed to zone 2/3. that also could be your problem.

NO receiver from any company cross-converts digital & HDMI signals for main room & multizones. and this is clearly spelled out in the manual on pg 35 as well as inputs that can be used for multizones. if you are trying to listen to an HDMI source, you'll also have to connect l/r analog cables. it should work if you activated zone 3 on the remote or front panel buttons but if you still don't get audio, try the SIGNAL SEL button on the remote to change the audio input signal from Auto to Analog for your zone 3.

Thanks for the info SS, I appreciate it. I am using config G. That's what I meant by "turning on" Zone's 2 and 3. I selected 5.1 + Zone 2/3 in the speaker system settings, but couldn't hear anything out of the outdoor speakers. But I didn't realize that what I have on in Zone 1 was not going to be able to be heard in Zone's 2 and 3 with that configuration. So that may be my problem. I'll need to switch to config B and see if that doesn't fix my problem. Thanks again, you have definitely shed light on the solution, I appreciate it!
post #127 of 371
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

well, it's supposed to work only with Win XP, Vista, and W7. this is in the manual, if you downloaded it from Pioneer's website, page 10. and I also think it needs Adobe Flash. I'm not a Mac person, but isn't Flash supposed to be unsupported by Apple OS for security reasons?

if you hadn't downloaded it ahead of time, it's not your fault for not knowing since the only manual is on the disc eek.gifwink.gif

Pioneer *may* look into a Mac version of the disc in the future.

but Foxbat is right, you don't need it. go to Pioneer's web site and download the pdf manual for your model. it's the same but the links in the disc and EZ setup stuff for newcomers won't be there, just the manual. I've reviewed the disc, it's nice for beginners but you shouldn't need it if you do some reading, look at the rear panel diagram, follow directions for getting started with a basic setup & initial MCACC calibration. on doing MCACC, put the mic on a tripod or mic boom at your listening seat, preferably, or on the seat back or stack of books in the seat, but NOT in the seat. point the mic straight up to ceiling, don't tilt it forward or back, step back out of the way, make sure the mic has a clear line of sight to each speaker and go smile.gif

connect the receiver to your TV with HDMI out (or component video if no HDMI) and you can see the whole setup menus on the screen rather than the one line, line by line display on the receiver. makes it a whole lot easier to navigate the menus smile.gif

Thanks to both you and Foxbat.

I'm up and running with sound.
post #128 of 371
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

well, it's supposed to work only with Win XP, Vista, and W7. this is in the manual, if you downloaded it from Pioneer's website, page 10. and I also think it needs Adobe Flash. I'm not a Mac person, but isn't Flash supposed to be unsupported by Apple OS for security reasons?

if you hadn't downloaded it ahead of time, it's not your fault for not knowing since the only manual is on the disc eek.gifwink.gif

Pioneer *may* look into a Mac version of the disc in the future.

but Foxbat is right, you don't need it. go to Pioneer's web site and download the pdf manual for your model. it's the same but the links in the disc and EZ setup stuff for newcomers won't be there, just the manual. I've reviewed the disc, it's nice for beginners but you shouldn't need it if you do some reading, look at the rear panel diagram, follow directions for getting started with a basic setup & initial MCACC calibration. on doing MCACC, put the mic on a tripod or mic boom at your listening seat, preferably, or on the seat back or stack of books in the seat, but NOT in the seat. point the mic straight up to ceiling, don't tilt it forward or back, step back out of the way, make sure the mic has a clear line of sight to each speaker and go smile.gif

connect the receiver to your TV with HDMI out (or component video if no HDMI) and you can see the whole setup menus on the screen rather than the one line, line by line display on the receiver. makes it a whole lot easier to navigate the menus smile.gif

Thanks to both you and Foxbat.

I'm up and running with sound.
post #129 of 371
^^
hey, congratulations! glad it's doing great for you. enjoy! biggrin.gif
post #130 of 371
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Originally Posted by JK2323 View Post

Thanks for the info SS, I appreciate it. I am using config G. That's what I meant by "turning on" Zone's 2 and 3. I selected 5.1 + Zone 2/3 in the speaker system settings, but couldn't hear anything out of the outdoor speakers. But I didn't realize that what I have on in Zone 1 was not going to be able to be heard in Zone's 2 and 3 with that configuration. So that may be my problem. I'll need to switch to config B and see if that doesn't fix my problem. Thanks again, you have definitely shed light on the solution, I appreciate it!

G and using the remote or front panel buttons to use zone 2/3, you should be able to have 1 source in main room and another in zone 2/3. remember, multizones used in this way only work with analog connections, not digital or HDMI. the other option is to use one of the B speaker configs and then it's just having a 2nd pair of speakers playing the same thing, altho you have to use the speaker remote button to select B or A+B. either way should work if you have the appropriate configuration, use analog audio connections, use the correct speaker terminals and in the case of multizones, use the remote/front panel buttons.
post #131 of 371
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

G and using the remote or front panel buttons to use zone 2/3, you should be able to have 1 source in main room and another in zone 2/3. remember, multizones used in this way only work with analog connections, not digital or HDMI. the other option is to use one of the B speaker configs and then it's just having a 2nd pair of speakers playing the same thing, altho you have to use the speaker remote button to select B or A+B. either way should work if you have the appropriate configuration, use analog audio connections, use the correct speaker terminals and in the case of multizones, use the remote/front panel buttons.

Thanks SS! Most of that makes sense. But considering I know nothing, when you say to use zones 2 and 3 with analog connections, what exactly are you talking about? I understand there's a difference between HDMI, digital, and analog, but what will I have to change in order to hear my USB/iPod in zone 2 or 3 while I'm watching TV in zone 1? You mentioned analog connections, currently I just have my speakers wired to the terminals by 16 awg wire. Is there anything else I need to do?
post #132 of 371
Just got my 65 on Friday and I've been spending the weekend playing. Most complicated piece of gear I've ever owned by far. I'll put my observations and later be asking for some input.
- so far happy with the sound but continue to tweak
- a ton of sound options, the plethora of options are definitely made simpler by the App I have loaded on my iPod touch. It's a riot to use and way more user friendly to use than the remote.
- was helped big time by reading on here about the Net and Receiver buttons on the remote .... but load the App as a lot of this is once again very much easier on the app.
I'll put some more detailed questions when I have more time surrounding using the DAC and playing SACD Flac files over my network.
post #133 of 371
Now for the 2 current questions I have.

I acquired several SACD's in Flac format. The only physical SACD's I have (all 3 of them) are in 5.1. When I play the Flac formatted SACD's the receiver says direct Stream I believe and they are received in 2.0 or 2.1 format. I am playing them over the Media port from my network shared NAS. I tried 2 or 3 and they only seemed to be received in stereo. Should these not come in 5.1 if the original SACD was 5.1? Will that work in this cenario?

And sort of on that same point. It appears the DAC is quite good on the 65. What is the best solution to use the DAC and my NAS with many FLAC files, in an elegant scenario vs the cumbersome way of doing it as is. Fewest possible components. I'm really wondering if I could just get a Droid tablet with JRiver on it and elegantly stream my audio to my speakers through the 65's DAC. Or it I need an actual PC attached to my AMP. What are my options?

Thanks
post #134 of 371
Hi all,

I am back.
Tried everything on the remote, resetting to factory defaults.
The up/down arrow selection would not bulge. That's including the net button.
When I select "ipod/usb" the HD is recognized but stop at the first folder of the HD.
Pressing up or down arrow would not work. The red light on top of the remote lit up during the pressing of the arrow key.
Very frustrating since I use the HD to listen to music.

Any other ideas? Thanks.
post #135 of 371
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Originally Posted by htwild1 View Post

Any other ideas? Thanks.

if you are 100% sure you are using the remote correctly, did you try the front panel arrow buttons? do they work? that would narrow it down to the remote or the receiver.

then call Pioneer if you haven't done so, to report it as possible warranty issue. or swap the receiver for another new one from your dealer.

I can't think of anything else.
post #136 of 371
The arrows worked prior to me pressing the RCU button. I was able to play music on the usb connection.
I don't think the remote is bad, just the "selection/settings" were bad.
Short of buying a new remote...
post #137 of 371
So the arrows on the receiver (not the remote) ... now do not work??
post #138 of 371
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Originally Posted by htwild1 View Post

The arrows worked prior to me pressing the RCU button. I was able to play music on the usb connection.
I don't think the remote is bad, just the "selection/settings" were bad.
Short of buying a new remote...

I always use my Harmony for everything. The OEM remote is only good for learn the buttons for me smile.gif

Call Pioneer for help reset your remote.
Edited by Foxbat121 - 4/23/13 at 12:03pm
post #139 of 371
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I always use my Harmony for everything. The OEM remote is only good for learn the buttons for me smile.gif

Call Pioneer for help reset your remote.

You can try removing the batteries and the press every button one at a time. Then put back in the batteries and see if it is reset.
post #140 of 371
The up/down arrows do not work when I am on AV ipod/net selection. It is stuck to whatever 1st choice is.

Will try to reset all again. Thank you.
post #141 of 371
Just fired up my SC65 today. I dropped in a Blu-ray & I had sound right away. It was on speaker AB & I switched it to just speakers A. I am having an issue getting the video to reach the projector though. ANything I'm missing? Every other receiver I've ever had was just plug it in & select the input & there was a picture! Thanks for any help. smile.gif
post #142 of 371
Does this receiver act like a matrix switcher, can you send two different video sources to two different TV's at the same time, example, can you watch satellite on TV1 while watching the bluray player on TV2 via HDMI at the same time?

Thanks
post #143 of 371
^^
no. the 2 HDMI outputs are mirrored, the same source. can be both on at same time, but not 2 sources.

to do what you want, you'll need to step up to the SC-68 & SC-67. they have a 3rd HDMI output, called zone 4, which can be an independent source than the main room source. these are the only Pioneer models with that capability.

in the Denon lineup, only their top model, the 4520CI has the capability. I think same with Onkyo.

what you can do is watch an HDMI source in main room & an analog video or audio source in the other room. but you cannot cross-convert an HDMI source to digital or analog to send to multizones.
post #144 of 371
Not sure what I did but today things worked okay even though I didn't change anything. rolleyes.gif
post #145 of 371
"if you are 100% sure you are using the remote correctly, did you try the front panel arrow buttons? do they work? that would narrow it down to the remote or the receiver." -ss9001

The up/down arrow on the receiver itself do not work.

So far I have reformatted the HD, used another older Pio remote, replaced batteries on the new one. All options, none worked.

I know that prior to this incident, the iPod/USB feature worked. So I don't think it is the receiver.

I am ordering another new remote from Pioneer to see if it solves the problem.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Update: When I am in ipod selection, pressing the up or down arrow, the LED light stays on. All other functions, i.e., DVD, PS3,... work as they supposed to.
Could it be the unit itself?

Edited by htwild1 - 4/28/13 at 5:40am
post #146 of 371
Update on Remote problem:

I found on page 76 of the manual on how to reset all to defaults. You have to use the control on the receiver itself.

Reset and re-ran the setup. Everything works now.

Thank you.
post #147 of 371
^^
glad you got it working. sounds like a settings problem in the receiver itself, maybe accidentally with a button press but who knows. with some glitches you may never find out what caused them.
post #148 of 371
Maybe SS9001 knows the answer to this as he has been a long time Pioneer AVS Forum thread contributor(SC-09,SC-5/07, SC-25/27, SC-35/37, etc.) and I appreciate his expertise.

Just fired up my SC1522-k(SC-65) with the iphone/ipod connector and the yellow composite video plug in. The iphone 4S played a podcast back perfectly with
the 480i/480p composite video.
Here's my question:

How you get your ipad(mine is a ipad mini)to play back with video? The ipad mini has a "Lightning" connector cable on one end and USB on the other.
Do I need to buy a similar ipad mini Lightning connector that also has a yellow composite for the podcast video? I do not think USB cable supplied with the ipad mini can transport both the
audio and the video to the Pioneer 1522. Is there a 30 pin female connector with Lightning on one end that would connect to the supplied Pioneer ipod white connector with the yellow composite?
Any suggestions??
post #149 of 371
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Originally Posted by sjsufootball View Post

Maybe SS9001 knows the answer to this as he has been a long time Pioneer AVS Forum thread contributor(SC-09,SC-5/07, SC-25/27, SC-35/37, etc.) and I appreciate his expertise.

Just fired up my SC1522-k(SC-65) with the iphone/ipod connector and the yellow composite video plug in. The iphone 4S played a podcast back perfectly with
the 480i/480p composite video.
Here's my question:

How you get your ipad(mine is a ipad mini)to play back with video? The ipad mini has a "Lightning" connector cable on one end and USB on the other.
Do I need to buy a similar ipad mini Lightning connector that also has a yellow composite for the podcast video? I do not think USB cable supplied with the ipad mini can transport both the
audio and the video to the Pioneer 1522. Is there a 30 pin female connector with Lightning on one end that would connect to the supplied Pioneer ipod white connector with the yellow composite?
Any suggestions??

I believe there is a lightning->HDMI adapter that can carry audio/video into the receiver.

edit: Like this...http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter?afid=p219%7CGOUS&cid=AOS-US-KWG-PLA
post #150 of 371
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Originally Posted by thatguyhileman View Post

I believe there is a lightning->HDMI adapter that can carry audio/video into the receiver.

edit: Like this...http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter?afid=p219%7CGOUS&cid=AOS-US-KWG-PLA

Many thanks thatguy!,

I did not realize this product was out on the Apple store. Not sure if there are any knock-offs yet but I am sure they will follow at a lower
price point than $49 !!
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