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post #151 of 266
I got the DBT-3313 yesterday
I can adjust volume and change sources on the AVR-4520 with the player's remote, so that's fine
But what's up with that very bright (and very annoying) Denon Link HD indicator?
You can dim or turn off the player display, but that blue light is way too bright in a dark room
post #152 of 266
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jake51 View Post

I got the DBT-3313 yesterday
I can adjust volume and change sources on the AVR-4520 with the player's remote, so that's fine
But what's up with that very bright (and very annoying) Denon Link HD indicator?
You can dim or turn off the player display, but that blue light is way too bright in a dark room

Well you did better than I did with the two 3313s. I couldn't get the single remote to work. The blue light is what it is and there is no way to dim it. Perhaps tape over it if it annoys.
post #153 of 266
It worked out of the box, didn't have to do anything
post #154 of 266
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Originally Posted by jake51 View Post

But what's up with that very bright (and very annoying) Denon Link HD indicator?
You can dim or turn off the player display, but that blue light is way too bright in a dark room


http://www.lightdims.com/index.php

post #155 of 266

Problem playing blue-ray disc

I tried to watched the new monsters univerisity in 3d last night with my family and I have an odd problem. The whole movie, every 30 seconds the audio would clip and it was really frustrating. Ive played many other bluerays and never have seen this problem. Im using a denon 4520ci receiver and a denon 3313udci blueray player and both have been updated. The blueray is set to bitstream and i had the receiver set to dolby true HD. Does anyone have any ideas of what could be wrong? Thanks
post #156 of 266
Everyone is having problems with Monsters U. See the movie thread. One workaround is to set the player to PCM.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1457485/monsters-inc-3d-blu-ray-ultimate-collectors-edition-official-avsforum-review

S~
post #157 of 266
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Everyone is having problems with Monsters U. See the movie thread. One workaround is to set the player to PCM.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1457485/monsters-inc-3d-blu-ray-ultimate-collectors-edition-official-avsforum-review

S~
thanks, wow i didnt know this movie had problems, i thought i bought a defective one
post #158 of 266
Ive had my 3313 for one day now. Bluray image is about the same as my Philips bdp9600 using qdeo. I am finding the audio quality for wav files from usb to be extremely poor. Bright, hollow sound with harsh edge. In short it sounds terrible for music. This is via hdmi. My Philips sounds like a high cd player in comparison using its hdmi output when playing wav audio files from a usb source.

Is my denon faulty?
post #159 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

Ive had my 3313 for one day now. Bluray image is about the same as my Philips bdp9600 using qdeo. I am finding the audio quality for wav files from usb to be extremely poor. Bright, hollow sound with harsh edge. In short it sounds terrible for music. This is via hdmi. My Philips sounds like a high cd player in comparison using its hdmi output when playing wav audio files from a usb source.

Is my denon faulty?

Not sure, i have mine connected via dual hdmi cables and the denon HD link and the audio is perfect. Only 2 things i can think of is 1# make sure its updated and 2# check the audio settings on the blueray player itself. If everything is set right it should give you crystal clear sound. Check the owners manual where it shows where to put the settings for the blueray player depending on what your trying to play. Another thing is that the source where your getting your audio files might not be of the best quality and maybe your hearing some flaws. As far as picture goes that blueray player has unbelievable picture quality from blueray movies so again you have to check your settings and put the screen size, ect. In the menu. Plus your tvs ability will have its limits. I have my settings set to bitstream so that my receiver does the decoding, its paired with a denon 4520ci.
post #160 of 266
Ive gone through all the audio options including the pure direct options. Wav files are terrible sounding. Audio is clear but bright/shrill with splashy compressed treble. The same wav files sound excellent via my Philips bdp9600. I think it has superior audio components.
post #161 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

Ive gone through all the audio options including the pure direct options. Wav files are terrible sounding. Audio is clear but bright/shrill with splashy compressed treble. The same wav files sound excellent via my Philips bdp9600. I think it has superior audio components.

Never had that phillips but it sounds like its good. Its surprising that a $1000 blueray player isnt giving you awesome quality, not that the price means everything but mine is the same and its been performing with surperb quality audio and video. I only use it for new blueray movies and i havent tried it with anything else. Thats strange what you are experiencing with it, i wonder if you should call denon support and have it exchanged. Actually i forgot to say but the first denon 3313udci that i ordered and setup up was defective. The store sent me a replacement straight from denon and ever since then the 2nd one i recieved has been wonderful, insane quality and performance. If yours isnt doing that then itd be better to replace it and try another out like I did.
post #162 of 266
I wouldn't be "upgrading" my Philips if it wasn't so buggy. It crashes very often when used. Performance is top notch.

I have been told updating the firmware may improve the sound quality for wav files. This makes no sense to me.
post #163 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

I wouldn't be "upgrading" my Philips if it wasn't so buggy. It crashes very often when used. Performance is top notch.

I have been told updating the firmware may improve the sound quality for wav files. This makes no sense to me.

Yeah these things are like computers and are getting more complex to use, all these high end electronics are sometimes a pain to figure everything out. What ever happened to just inserting a movie into a VCR and watching it play? eek.gif Now you have eye retina scanning and voice analyses just to activate anything lol
post #164 of 266
Could you send me one of the WAV files and I'll try them on my set up using USB?

I have the Arcam AVR750 though and always use AV Pure Direct mode.
post #165 of 266
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Yeah these things are like computers and are getting more complex to use, all these high end electronics are sometimes a pain to figure everything out. What ever happened to just inserting a movie into a VCR and watching it play? eek.gif Now you have eye retina scanning and voice analyses just to activate anything lol

Very true smile.gif
post #166 of 266
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Originally Posted by Damo1978 View Post

Could you send me one of the WAV files and I'll try them on my set up using USB?

I have the Arcam AVR750 though and always use AV Pure Direct mode.

How would I do this? I am 100% sure the WAV file is fine. The exact same files sound great on my Philips BDP9600.

If you have cd/uncompressed wav [ripped] audio tracks by the band The Darkness try them out. The treble on cymbals sounds very bad and splashy and the midrange is horrible..
Edited by Usman24 - 11/6/13 at 4:46am
post #167 of 266
It is a strange one.

I've played WAV files from BD on mine and bine fine. Will try them on a USB pen when I get chance.
post #168 of 266
Update: switching power save mode to normal or quick start mode has improved the audio for me via usb source. I have no idea why. I still find the mid-range/high end a bit hard/metallic edged sounding but it is far more listenable than power save mode.
post #169 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

Update: switching power save mode to normal or quick start mode has improved the audio for me via usb source. I have no idea why. I still find the mid-range/high end a bit hard/metallic edged sounding but it is far more listenable than power save mode.

I never use power safe modes, but hey atleast you found something that helps smile.gif
post #170 of 266
I am still carrying out listening tests for audio and comparing pic/sound with my Philips. Not sure If I'm keeping it or returning it to the retailer. I have 14 days to test it.

Btw how would you describe the sound signature of the Denon avr 4520?
Edited by Usman24 - 11/7/13 at 7:00am
post #171 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

I am still carrying out listening tests for audio and comparing pic/sound with my Philips. Not sure If I'm keeping it or returning it to the retailer. I have 14 days to test it.

Btw how would you describe the sound signature of the Denon avr 4520?

Honestly with the denon 4520ci and its audyssey xt32 i couldnt ask for better quality sound! Movies are amazing and intense with music sounding crystal clear yet very powerful. Im able to crank up the volume and get no distortion, along with the bowers and wilkins theres no harshness at all just powerful and smooth sound. This receiver has so many useful features and is def worth every cent. Im def pleased with the sound quality, power, and performance of the 4520ci.
post #172 of 266

^Usman24-the main reason I'd consider this player is if I had an AVR with DenonLinkHD like Blackmamba.  I appreciate what the legacy DenonLink4th does for improving music SQ with my Denon Anniv AVR A100 and DBP A100 connected via the old DenonLink Cat5 cable.  Otherwise I'd probably have an Oppo103 player...

post #173 of 266
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^Usman24-the main reason I'd consider this player is if I had an AVR with DenonLinkHD like Blackmamba.  I appreciate what the legacy DenonLink4th does for improving music SQ with my Denon Anniv AVR A100 and DBP A100 connected via the old DenonLink Cat5 cable.  Otherwise I'd probably have an Oppo103 player...

Never can go wrong with the Oppo! Yeah the hd link is why i bought them as a pair and also because I got a good price on both. The 4520 has plenty of power and even individual dual sub calibration along with a long list of awesome features. It was confusing at first to set them up but now i got the hang of it. smile.gif
post #174 of 266
I also bought a 6 ft monster LFE cable to use as my HD link from the blueray along with dual monster turbo gold HDMI cables. Needless to say the picture on blueray movies and the audio quality is mind blowing. Def a winning combination for a ht setup although the tv, speakers, and settings all play a role in the overall result also.
post #175 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

Update: switching power save mode to normal or quick start mode has improved the audio for me via usb source. I have no idea why. I still find the mid-range/high end a bit hard/metallic edged sounding but it is far more listenable than power save mode.

That does not seem normal.  In your position I'd do a deep reset on the player and if that didn't clear it up I'd call Denon CS.

post #176 of 266
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Originally Posted by Usman24 View Post

I am still carrying out listening tests for audio and comparing pic/sound with my Philips. Not sure If I'm keeping it or returning it to the retailer. I have 14 days to test it.

Btw how would you describe the sound signature of the Denon avr 4520?

If i remember right, on the 3313udci just unplug the power for a few minutes, then press and hold the power button for 20seconds, then wait a few minutes and then plug it back in. I think thats how i did it on mine. I know that its there latest model and there has been some defects in some so if that doesnt work then denon will send you a replacement unit.
post #177 of 266
I have had a good listen to the denon in normal or quickstart mode and the sound is acceptable to me now. It sounds a bit more neutral than my Philips which may explain a lot of things. More revealing. I don't think I need to do a factory re-set. The pic on BD films is slightly smoother on the Denon and film sound quality has also improved very slightly over a few days of usage. I feel the pic/audio quality for movies is better on the Denon than my Philips. I will be keeping it.

Thank you guys for all your help/advice.

Btw can any brand of wi-fi dongle be used on the 3313?
post #178 of 266
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Honestly with the denon 4520ci and its audyssey xt32 i couldnt ask for better quality sound! Movies are amazing and intense with music sounding crystal clear yet very powerful. Im able to crank up the volume and get no distortion, along with the bowers and wilkins theres no harshness at all just powerful and smooth sound. This receiver has so many useful features and is def worth every cent. Im def pleased with the sound quality, power, and performance of the 4520ci.

I am tempted to change my Onkyo sr876 for either a Denon avr-x4000 or one of the Pioneer models. The Denon 4520 is a bit expensive for my set-up. The Denon x4000 also uses XT32. Does Denon link make a difference?
post #179 of 266

^Usman, that is a very astute post IMO. 

 

There are two features that immediately come to mind that would motivate me to upgrade that AVR.  Regardless of the player, the most important advance impacting SQ is that Audyssey has improved their DSP RC with a very nice jump forward from the XT in your AVR (the best Audyssey available at the time). XT32 is Audyssey's state of the art- it's more powerful and utilizes a smarter strategy emphasizing EQing the most important audio problems introduced by the room, the very challenging low freqs.  It is now in several new models, including the X4000 and 4520.  The improved SQ is quite noticeable and pretty much universally reported.  Pio's MCACC has lagged Audyssey for years and is even further behind now. Plus the newer models offer an array of updated features like Neo:X,  and perhaps improved streaming, etc., some of which may matter to you.  Not sure what the rest of your system is currently, but of course upgrading speakers and adding channels (like DSX wides, etc) can make a big diff in enjoyment as well.

 

Now, considering if I had a DBT3313,  I would indeed consider those Denon AVRs equipped  with DenonLinkHD-the X4000 and 4520. That extra coax connector.transmits the clocking info that reduces jitter. It would not surprise me in the least if you found improvements with it.   In this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1349373/does-denon-link-really-matter#post_20730707

I posted on the fairly extensive tests I did comparing the legacy DenonLink in my DBP-A100 vs an Oppo player, both connected to my AVR A100. DenonLink4th provided a distinct improvement in SQ when critically listening to well-recorded music off shiny discs, whether they were std redbook, SACD, or DVD-A.  Now, I've never tested DLHD but I'd expect the same result, and I'd be looking to see if there were perhaps improvements in areas like PQ that I didn't detect with the old DL with my small screen HDTV at the time.

 

BTW, the X4000 is well under $1K street and the 4520 is well under $2K-but only buy Denon from an authorized seller to protect the OEM warranty.   Just call jdsmoothie at AVS Sales for the best prices anywhere:

"JD" – AVScience Sales, 585-645-1006 or 877-823-4452 ext 103

Monday – Friday 5pm – 9pm EST (weekends when on the forum)

 "Authorized" dealer for Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, Yamaha, Klipsch, Def Tech, and much more

post #180 of 266
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^Usman, that is a very astute post IMO. 

There are two features that immediately come to mind that would motivate me to upgrade that AVR.  Regardless of the player, the most important advance impacting SQ is that Audyssey has improved their DSP RC with a very nice jump forward from the XT in your AVR (the best Audyssey available at the time). XT32 is Audyssey's state of the art- it's more powerful and utilizes a smarter strategy emphasizing EQing the most important audio problems introduced by the room, the very challenging low freqs.  It is now in several new models, including the X4000 and 4520.  The improved SQ is quite noticeable and pretty much universally reported.  Pio's MCACC has lagged Audyssey for years and is even further behind now. Plus the newer models offer an array of updated features like Neo:X,  and perhaps improved streaming, etc., some of which may matter to you.  Not sure what the rest of your system is currently, but of course upgrading speakers and adding channels (like DSX wides, etc) can make a big diff in enjoyment as well.

Now, considering if I had a DBT3313,  I would indeed consider those Denon AVRs equipped  with DenonLinkHD-the X4000 and 4520. That extra coax connector.transmits the clocking info that reduces jitter. It would not surprise me in the least if you found improvements with it.   In this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1349373/does-denon-link-really-matter#post_20730707
I posted on the fairly extensive tests I did comparing the legacy DenonLink in my DBP-A100 vs an Oppo player, both connected to my AVR A100. DenonLink4th provided a distinct improvement in SQ when critically listening to well-recorded music off shiny discs, whether they were std redbook, SACD, or DVD-A.  Now, I've never tested DLHD but I'd expect the same result, and I'd be looking to see if there were perhaps improvements in areas like PQ that I didn't detect with the old DL with my small screen HDTV at the time.

BTW, the X4000 is well under $1K street and the 4520 is well under $2K-but only buy Denon from an authorized seller to protect the OEM warranty.   Just call jdsmoothie at AVS Sales for the best prices anywhere:
"JD" – AVScience Sales, 585-645-1006 or 877-823-4452 ext 103
Monday – Friday 5pm – 9pm EST (weekends when on the forum)
 "Authorized" dealer for Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, Yamaha, Klipsch, Def Tech, and much more

thank you for that very informative post. I will do a bit more research before deciding what to audition at home. Unfortunately I live in the U.K so I wouldn't be able to purchase from AVScience Sales.

In you opinion the Pioneer MCACC is nowhere near as effective as XT or XT32?
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