How about the couple hundred other Members on AVS who have tried BOC and then moved on to find they are extremely more happy with their image with a solid surface...or even with a painted coating on BOC? It's been said time and again that it's the reported results and examples the average End User presents that hold say on here, yet still you continue to make your statements as if that is wholly insufficient and not to be considered as being noteworthy....,
Well, obviously I'm going to put more weight in what I see right in front of me, in a side-by-side comparison, than in what someone else says to the effect of "I used to have BOC and then I switched projectors three times and now have a painted screen and I think it looks way better than my vague re-collection of what BOC looks like with my old projector".
What your really saying is that you mean "Middling"...
Well, sure. But unless your recommendation to people is always "if you want a bright screen, go with the absolute brightest solution out there; and if you want better blacks, go with the darkest grey out there", then EVERY solution is "middling". My point is that the balance of white to black on BOC might be the sweet spot for a given user just as the balance of Silver Fire 2 vs Silverfire 3 or vs RS-MM-LL or whatever might be for another.
Is Silver Fire 3.0 a "middling" solution compared to Silver Fire 2.0 and Silver Fire 4.0? Why recommend 3.0 to anyone, when 4.0 is brighter and 2.0 has better blacks? (edit: sorry, I think I had that backwards)
Oh stop already with your repetitious and misleading comments inferring that Spray Equipment is a "several Hundred dollar" investment when you know it's a $60-70.00 hit at most these days.
You are correct, I misspoke, I meant total costs. $40 for sprayer, $20 for recommended smaller tip, $30 for mask, $10 for drop cloths, $10 for mixing cans, $10-20 for miscellaneous (strainer, tape, tacks, etc), $10 for drill mixer attachment, $80+ for paint...and this doesn't include substrate if one is needed, which can itself be up to $100 if you need 5' x 10'.
And it's also odd, that you feel obliged to make such definitive comments based on just your own experience. Are you aware that there a MANY different brands and several Mfg of BOC? Most have varying degrees of surface texture, different coatings and opacity, and thicknesses. In many ways, there is more risk of someone not having the same experience with BOC than when using a smooth hard substrate...painted or not.
Good point. I am referring specifically to the Roc-Lon Budget Blackout Cloth in white/white purchased at Joann. I just bought a new batch when I was doing my comparisons and it is 100% indistinguishable from what I originally made my screen with several years ago (bought from a different store), so this particular SKU at least seems very consistent.
Actually, my statement ; "BOC is a sub unity gain material, with a reasonably smooth surface on the "Coated' side. It can be stretched out and used as is if "simple" is desired, and with a really good PJ employed, isn't going to make most people's gag reflex kick in." pretty much falls in line with your own "middle of the spectrum" analysis.
You misunderstand me; I'm not saying it's "middle of the road" in terms of image quality or performance, I'm saying it "fits right into the spectrum" in terms of lights and darks between darker screens and lighter screens -- just like Silver Fire 3.0 fits between Silver Fire 2.0 and Silver Fire 4.0.
That said, I'm not ever going to come down into the Camp that says BOC is "as good as" a correctly painted surface, either in construction or performance considerations.
What visual advantages does a correctly painted surface of the same shade as BOC have, putting aside for the moment the fact that it is much more expensive, much trickier to get done "correctly", and much less likely to be color neutral with consistent gain across the axis? Which solution would, for example, provide the same or darker blacks as BOC but whiter whites? That is, which solution would not be a trade-off in one way or another? And are there direct comparisons illustrating such? Like I said, I'd be happy to eat my words and do the comparison myself, I will gladly paypal or mail you the postage so that you can mail me a sample of the solution of your choice, if you don't have the time to do a comparison yourself. And if I'm convinced I might even re-paint my screen, since like everyone else here, I'm here to get the best picture I can.Edited by curttard - 1/2/13 at 10:08am