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post #151 of 484
2/12/13 at 4:35pm
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A big caveat to remember is that to properly do this the game must support it otherwise each player gets a very stretched view (either tall if it's ou or wide if it's sbs)

I know, unfortunately the Xbox 360 doesn't offer an alternative to Sony's Simulview. I think this would make a half decent substitute, especially if it stops people 'magically' finding my sniper spot in black ops 2 haha! I could run it as SBS and change the aspect ratio to 4:3 to limit the horizontal stretch, but i don't think it i would notice the stretch during the action.
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post #152 of 484
2/12/13 at 6:58pm
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Wow that is HUGE!

Up until now I have considered that a big plus for passive displays unless you wan to tool around with your active glasses yourself... the ability to do this for active is HUGE not only because it means you can do something you coudln't before but because a huge downer with passive dual play is that you have the resolution drop from the source, but then you have to deal with the aliasing issue of the display itself. I can only imaginet that as soft as the image would be at half stretched res, on an active display (where hopefully the frame will be interpolated or at least line doubled) the result would be much more acceptable.

That and the fact that passive displays still have some crosstalk issue so you dualplay has some image leak over, from what I hear DLP has no crosstalk so this should mean its literally possible to have dual play completely clean for both players with the content upscaled to full 1080p resolution for both eyes with no scanlines...

Added to this the benefit of being able to have 2D for the few friends who don't like 3D...

Getting really hard for me to hold out now... if this gets into production and the noise in the glasses goes away (and especially if we can get a group buy for discount on shipping and a price break)....

Damn I might just have to do this sooner than I wanted to... I really want a decent 2D-3D converter built in but with all this other stuff I may just give that up...

if you want a great package of blu ray player which does great 2d to 3d conversion and is also HDMI switcher look at the Oppo 103 blu ray player it is a little expensive if you just look at the price but if you break it down in to all the things it does and price each feature out by its self what you get for the price it is actually inexpensive , and check it out here on avs form http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread
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post #153 of 484
2/12/13 at 10:10pm
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I know, unfortunately the Xbox 360 doesn't offer an alternative to Sony's Simulview. I think this would make a half decent substitute, especially if it stops people 'magically' finding my sniper spot in black ops 2 haha! I could run it as SBS and change the aspect ratio to 4:3 to limit the horizontal stretch, but i don't think it i would notice the stretch during the action.

Wouldn't running as SBS require the 2 player split screen to be side by side? I thought most games did split screen top and bottom?
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post #154 of 484
2/12/13 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by GPC1 View Post

if you want a great package of blu ray player which does great 2d to 3d conversion and is also HDMI switcher look at the Oppo 103 blu ray player it is a little expensive if you just look at the price but if you break it down in to all the things it does and price each feature out by its self what you get for the price it is actually inexpensive , and check it out here on avs form http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread

Thanks but a large part of the 3D conversion I would want covered is for TV and video games that don't have native 3D mode. If I undersatnd correctly that oppo doesn't convert non disc based content?
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post #155 of 484
2/12/13 at 11:50pm
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Wouldn't running as SBS require the 2 player split screen to be side by side? I thought most games did split screen top and bottom?

We usually have 2 teams on 4 player split screen, so I could use sbs or ou 3D and still have isolated teams. Certain games like borderlands offer 2 player with vertical split screen, but as you said most are horizontal split. Theres no reason why the xbox 360 couldnt offer its own version of simulview, as it already offers 3d playback. Hopefully this is a feature that more games will implement in the future, but until then sbs with 4 player split, or ou with 2 player will have to do.
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post #156 of 484
2/13/13 at 8:19am
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Thanks but a large part of the 3D conversion I would want covered is for TV and video games that don't have native 3D mode. If I undersatnd correctly that oppo doesn't convert non disc based content?

yes the Oppo 103 converts tv and what ever content you have from 2D to 3D as i have my satellite tv out put going into one of the HDMI inputs on the 103 , push the button to do 2D to 3d and there you go you are now watching 3d , as i have watched hockey, golf what ever is on tv can be seen on 3d and the other nice thing about the 103 is that it up converts your signal to 1080p so when you are watching low resolution from your dish you can now have it at 1080p it is not as good as a true 1080p source. i have only been using my 103 for about a week but so far it works wonders. I HAVE NOT TRIED IT ON NON #D VIDEO GAMES YET , BUT WILL AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND OUT.
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post #157 of 484
2/13/13 at 8:03pm
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We usually have 2 teams on 4 player split screen, so I could use sbs or ou 3D and still have isolated teams. Certain games like borderlands offer 2 player with vertical split screen, but as you said most are horizontal split. Theres no reason why the xbox 360 couldnt offer its own version of simulview, as it already offers 3d playback. Hopefully this is a feature that more games will implement in the future, but until then sbs with 4 player split, or ou with 2 player will have to do.

A source doesn't have to be able to do 3D at all to do simulview. To do simulview all it has to do is compress the ratio of each players screen so when stretched out it goes back to proper ratio.
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yes the Oppo 103 converts tv and what ever content you have from 2D to 3D as i have my satellite tv out put going into one of the HDMI inputs on the 103 , push the button to do 2D to 3d and there you go you are now watching 3d , as i have watched hockey, golf what ever is on tv can be seen on 3d and the other nice thing about the 103 is that it up converts your signal to 1080p so when you are watching low resolution from your dish you can now have it at 1080p it is not as good as a true 1080p source. i have only been using my 103 for about a week but so far it works wonders. I HAVE NOT TRIED IT ON NON #D VIDEO GAMES YET , BUT WILL AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND OUT.

Oh I didn't know that... is it better than the monorpice or 3d Bee at 2D-3D?
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post #158 of 484
2/13/13 at 9:32pm
I have the Saisonics, 3dtvcorp battery versions and the latest True Depths.

1) Sainsonics: They are very light. They don't block the dlp flash well. Reverse sync a lot. Not recommended. $25

2) 3dtvcorp battery version: blocks flash best (even better than the True Depths), no sync issues, comfortable. The only negative is the green tint, which reduces the image brightness and alters color slightly. Turning brilliant color on helps. Overall very good glasses, especially for the price. $35

3) True Depth: Very well made, flexible arms. No issues with sync. No color change or dimming of brightness due to tint color. Image looks vibrant and accurate. Only slight issue is that on an all black screen, it looks like screen uniformity issues. There is black with some red mixed in on the edges. However overall I'd say that these provide the most pleasing image due to neutral colored lenses. $60
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post #159 of 484
2/14/13 at 5:22am
Hi !

i have buy a Benq w1070 with firmware 1.3

i have a question for the 3d Glasses.

I have buy 4 sainsonic i would like to try a Benq 3d glasses D3.

In the manuel , the part number is : 3D Glasses- P/N: 5J.J7K25.011

But , i only find this model on the net .. 3D Glasses- P/N: 5J.J7K25.001

What is the difference..

3D Glasses- P/N: 5J.J7K25.001 work with w1070?

thank you!
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post #160 of 484
2/14/13 at 9:00am
Can someone give me some type of proof that this projector runs at 144hz? I am trying to prove it to 3dtv corp but because of the price point he does not believe it can be 144hz. I have shown him forums and competitors information but because there is nothing from benq that talks about triple flash or 144hz it hasn't been good enough.
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post #161 of 484
2/14/13 at 11:26am
For anyone waiting for Benq D3 glasses, it may take a while. I ordered a pair from B&H about 2 weeks ago -- they listed on their web site "7-14 days" shipping time and indicated that they would be sent directly from the manufacturer.

I just got the following email from B&H in response to my query for a status update:
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Good afternoon Dan,

This should ship mid March.  We will email tracking as soon as available.

On the flip side, I've had a *fantastic* experience with TrueDepth and -- although I have nothing to compare them with (my first projecto and first 3D glasses) -- I can wholeheartedly agree with all the positive comments that others have made about the TrueDepth glasses and their wonderful support.
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post #162 of 484
2/14/13 at 6:09pm
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A source doesn't have to be able to do 3D at all to do simulview. To do simulview all it has to do is compress the ratio of each players screen so when stretched out it goes back to proper ratio.
Oh I didn't know that... is it better than the monorpice or 3d Bee at 2D-3D?

can not comment if the 103 is better than a 3D bee as i have never seen one working , but of what i have seen from the 103 it seems to do a good job at 2d to 3d, you might want to ask this question on the 103 thread as some one there might have this experience .

I know i look at the pricing of the bee and then compared it to the 103 , and for all the other features the 103 comes with like an out standing blu ray player and all the steaming capabilities buying each piece separately made no sense to me. Plus all the positive reviews of the 103 i felt i could not go wrong and by buying on the jungle , it made for easy return if it did not live up to expectations.

I have not got to 2d to 3d gaming yet but i will this weekend and let you know .
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post #163 of 484
2/14/13 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by superfanatico View Post

Can someone give me some type of proof that this projector runs at 144hz? I am trying to prove it to 3dtv corp but because of the price point he does not believe it can be 144hz. I have shown him forums and competitors information but because there is nothing from benq that talks about triple flash or 144hz it hasn't been good enough.

This doesn't cut it? http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/projectors/BenQ_W1070.html
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post #164 of 484
2/14/13 at 11:08pm
Well looks like I will get the BenQ D3 as those seem to be the best even with the back order, ugh it sure is pricier but I suppose if I get one over each paycheck then thats not as bad. smile.gif

Although I could get the TD 3.5 ones for my guess as those seem to be about in the middle, if someone could supply me with a good link from amazon or ebay to buy them from.
Edited by Daniel Chaves - 2/15/13 at 8:48am
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post #165 of 484
2/15/13 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by Devedander View Post

A source doesn't have to be able to do 3D at all to do simulview. To do simulview all it has to do is compress the ratio of each players screen so when stretched out it goes back to proper ratio.
Oh I didn't know that... is it better than the monorpice or 3d Bee at 2D-3D?

i tried 2D to 3D gaming last night, I am using a PS3 , i thought i would use GT5 for the test as i was able to let the 103 convert 2d to 3d which it did a nice job of . Then i compared it to playing the game in 3d just using the PS3. I found very little difference between the two if any, they both were using 720p 60hz frame pack to deliver the 3D picture

the 103 lets you choose the method of 3d as in the menu you can pick SBS or top to bottom or auto which gives you frame packed
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post #166 of 484
2/15/13 at 5:10am
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Can someone give me some type of proof that this projector runs at 144hz? I am trying to prove it to 3dtv corp but because of the price point he does not believe it can be 144hz. I have shown him forums and competitors information but because there is nothing from benq that talks about triple flash or 144hz it hasn't been good enough.

why would go with a 3d corp when they would not listen to you as a customer , think if you ever has a problem with the glasses once you got them.

Go with True Depth for there great customer support as i am sure they will not tell you " we do not believe you" when you ask them a question after all you are the customer
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post #167 of 484
2/15/13 at 6:23am
Thanks Devedander I will send it and see what he says.
Edited by superfanatico - 2/15/13 at 6:57am
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post #168 of 484
2/15/13 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by GPC1 View Post

why would go with a 3d corp when they would not listen to you as a customer , think if you ever has a problem with the glasses once you got them.

Go with True Depth for there great customer support as i am sure they will not tell you " we do not believe you" when you ask them a question after all you are the customer

I needed kids sized glasses and they are the only ones that I found that carried them. I figured they wouldn't work but I knew I could change the resolution for blurays and it would work ok for Directv and Netflix. I still asked before buying them though and was assured it would work. So I got them and like I thought it works for everything except for blurays. I also have 2 pairs of sainsonic's and they work fine on everything. So I passed on my results and he still said its not 144hz. So I dug up everything I could from forums to the sainsonic ebay listing and even the front page of True Depths site. I even tried Benq's tech support line but those guys barely even know what I am talking about. If you guys have any interest I can post some of the conversation but its been about 20 back and forth emails.

I should also say that he hasn't been rude about it and I am sure I could return them for a refund, but I have just kind of made it my mission to prove it to him.

Also just found this review of the hd25 in the thread for that projector and they talk about the 1070 being triple flash 144hz so that should be enough, if not I give up.

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiovideohd.fr%2Ftests%2F354-Optoma-HD25-0.html
Edited by superfanatico - 2/15/13 at 8:41am
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post #169 of 484
2/15/13 at 10:23am
I also had a discussion with 3dtvcorp about 144hz on the Benq. I think this new dc3 chip is doing something that older versions could not. He may not realize that this is a new chip. The funny thing though is that I told him that my jvc rs40 has flicker in 3d due to running in 96hz. He said he never heard of that before. Guess he hasn't heard of a lot of things before.
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post #170 of 484
2/15/13 at 11:48am
Yeah he actually started to get a little pissy with me now. I brought up the dc3 earlier and this was his response.

"surely you are joking! the DC3 has been common in projectors since 2005 and this is just gossip that is in French. Show me 144 from TI's page or tech docs!"

- 3dtvcorp

So I asked him to show me all the 1080 3d projectors using dc3 and he just said "its common,Google it and he didn't have time" so I am done with him.
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post #171 of 484
2/15/13 at 11:50am
sounds like someone who doesn't want your business. i'd go elsewhere.
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post #172 of 484
2/15/13 at 4:41pm
Are people having problems with their 3DTV Corp glasses? Why does it matter if they believe the w1070 has 144hz or not? Both my pairs work fine and I have two more on the way. I didn't want to deal with losing sync, so that ruled out the Sainsonics, and I didn't pay much more then them anyway. As others have said, they block out the red flash quite nicely and work fine in 144hz. What's the issue?
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post #173 of 484
2/15/13 at 4:57pm
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Are people having problems with their 3DTV Corp glasses? Why does it matter if they believe the w1070 has 144hz or not? Both my pairs work fine and I have two more on the way. I didn't want to deal with losing sync, so that ruled out the Sainsonics, and I didn't pay much more then them anyway. As others have said, they block out the red flash quite nicely and work fine in 144hz. What's the issue?

I have heard the battery changeable ones work at 144hz but at least the kids version of the chargeable ones do not. They do work at all the other speeds though.
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post #174 of 484
2/16/13 at 3:44am
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Originally Posted by Ezzelin View Post

Are people having problems with their 3DTV Corp glasses? Why does it matter if they believe the w1070 has 144hz or not? Both my pairs work fine and I have two more on the way. I didn't want to deal with losing sync, so that ruled out the Sainsonics, and I didn't pay much more then them anyway. As others have said, they block out the red flash quite nicely and work fine in 144hz. What's the issue?

I agree. He may not know everything about every 3d projector but he does know his 3dglasses. I think his glasses are overall the best value.
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post #175 of 484
2/16/13 at 6:45am
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These look promising, if anyone has tried, let us know how well they work. Site says tested on W1070 (144Hz) http://www.consignia.ca/vip-3d-dlp-link-active-shutter-glasses-for-3d-ready-dlp-projectors-tvs/#reviews

I have 2 pairs of those glasses that worked great with my previous projector. Will let you know how well with the w1070 when I get it next week. I have 2 pair of TrueDepths on the way as well to compare to.
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post #176 of 484
2/19/13 at 8:45am
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Daniel of TrueDepth today confirmed that he can reproduce the static noise issue on their glasses:
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It seems we may be making a little progress here. We were able to hear the noise you're referring to! However, it only occurs when another projector is in the room running along with the Benq w1070. We have an optoma projector running and it seems this noise is produced when both are on, but when the Benq w1070 is isolated, we do not hear the noise. Any chance you are running another projector or a similar electronic item in the room where you are viewing? We're continuing to run some tests to see if there are other factors that will produce this noise. Thanks for your patience!

This really tells something about their commitment!

The search of the root-cause continues.
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post #177 of 484
2/19/13 at 4:04pm
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Daniel of TrueDepth today confirmed that he can reproduce the static noise issue on their glasses:
This really tells something about their commitment!

The search of the root-cause continues.

Thanks for sharing the update from the TrueDepth guys on this. I'm in the UK so have ended out buying 4 pairs of the Sainsonic glasses for my w1070 as the TrueDepth 'across the pond' shipping is too expensive. The Sainsonics are doing the job, but I'll be in the US in a couple of months time though, so may well buy a couple of pairs of TrueDepths then - I'll be keeping an eye on this thread in between times to see what further updates and/or review info you post. Thanks again.
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post #178 of 484
2/19/13 at 6:16pm
Even though I personally did not like the Sainsonics, their main seller on eBay and Amazon is a first class company. Excellent customer service.
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post #179 of 484
2/19/13 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by kelvink View Post

Daniel of TrueDepth today confirmed that he can reproduce the static noise issue on their glasses:
This really tells something about their commitment!

The search of the root-cause continues.

So do you?
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post #180 of 484
2/20/13 at 3:07am
No interest in these glasses? http://www.3dhdgear.com/Volfoni-EDGE-1-1-DLP-Link-3D-glasses-p/v-edge1.1dlp.htm
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