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post #181 of 798
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I reported this to Daniel of TrueDepth:
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This morning I tried a few things. First, I tried turning off or unplugging potential EMI sources around the house, including central furnace fan, WIFI router, cordless phone, and even as far as my computers and file server (which are located in another room), but the noise still exists.

Then I tried playing with the Benq picture settings a bit, while changing sharpness, brightness, contrast, noise reduction, lamp modes (i went thru the 3 modes) didn't have any effect on the noise issue, changing the Preset Mode from "3D" to "User 3", the noise becomes exaggerated! Changing the mode from "3D" to "User 3" causes the glasses to re-sync, during which the noise is a lot more prominent and the noise sound pattern/frequency resembles how the lenses flicker at obviously lower frequency than 144Hz.

Perhaps this can be a recipe for you to reliably reproduce the issue on the W1070 alone and hopefully find out what's going on with the combination. Do let me know if you want me to try other things.
post #182 of 798
Hi guys,

I've just ordered a W1070 and read the entire thread here.
From what I've understood, the best low cost options without compromising quality and functionnality are 3DTV Corp and True Depth.

It looks like the official website for 3DTV Corp is http://www.3dmagic.com/ (also mirrored at http://www.3dtv.jp ) and their official store is http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/
Despite the ugly website design, they do list rechargeable 144Hz DLP-Link compatible glasses:
http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprw.htm (though W1070 is not officially listed).
The price seems to be cheap ($29) but I'm a little surprised they don't charge anything for shipping the glasses to France.. What do you think about it ?

Concerning True Depth, looks like the product we're interested in is listed here: http://truedepth3d.com/store/products/true-depth-3d-dlp-link-glasses/ but there's no detail about it; for instance, what's the content of the package, are theses rechargeable glasses ?

Thanks !
Edited by rldivide - 2/21/13 at 5:56am
post #183 of 798
Hi, did you go through the process of filling in the shipping details into the 3DTV Corp site? Because when I did, following your 'free shipping comment (I got all excited at this), I found that it had an 'options' drop down and the cheapest was US$30.35 to Australia.
post #184 of 798
Ah, did try further and indeed the cheapest shipment for me (France) is $32.55 ...

I got in touch with True Depth, very friendly indeed. The glasses are rechargeables. Ship with cleaning clothe, usb cable and instruction.
They offer discount on multiple glasses and are fine with using cheaper shipment if asked to smile.gif
post #185 of 798
I would hold off, if you can, until the noise problem has been addressed (see post #181 above). Also, if you haven't read it, I would opt for the 'switching' option, see post #146. This would allow for Dual Play using a PS3 or Xbox 360 etc. if you are into that sort of thing. Here are the functions:

press the power button:
1. (the first press) 3D
2. Polarity reversal (if the 3D needs to be inverted, this will do the trick)
3. left eye only
4. right eye only
5. power off.

That means that you have a full range of options available.
post #186 of 798
Yeah I read about that but I'm not afraid of the noise problem and I don't care much about the additional power button features smile.gif
However I'm interested by the polarity reversal, is that already working in the current generation ?

BTW off topic I was wondering, if I read 3D movies through HDMI 1.3 bluray player will I get 2xFull HD pictures or 2xHalf HD pictures ?
post #187 of 798
I understand from others here that you just have to request the change.

I personally will wait for the problem of the noise to be sorted first. But if you are happy with the noise potential then go for it. Enjoy.
post #188 of 798
Hi Just got my BENQ w1070 and joined the forum so I could join this conversation. Sorry to go a bit off topic, but I have not been able to get my projector to display 3D. I have a Samsung blu-ray player that can also play mkv's. I have a side-by-side mkv playing through HDMI but the projector just shows the two images side by side. The projector shows the image format that is being displayed but says that 3D is off. When I go into the menu on the projector the 3D option is ghosted and I can't select it to turn 3D to auto as suggested in the manual. I have read the manual through a couple of times and can't work out what I'm doing wrong. I have the sainsonic 144hz glasses.

Am I missing something simple here? Does anyone else have the issue of not being able to select 3D format from the BENQ menu?
post #189 of 798
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Originally Posted by AWE50ME View Post

Hi Just got my BENQ w1070 and joined the forum so I could join this conversation. Sorry to go a bit off topic, but I have not been able to get my projector to display 3D. I have a Samsung blu-ray player that can also play mkv's. I have a side-by-side mkv playing through HDMI but the projector just shows the two images side by side. The projector shows the image format that is being displayed but says that 3D is off. When I go into the menu on the projector the 3D option is ghosted and I can't select it to turn 3D to auto as suggested in the manual. I have read the manual through a couple of times and can't work out what I'm doing wrong. I have the sainsonic 144hz glasses.

Am I missing something simple here? Does anyone else have the issue of not being able to select 3D format from the BENQ menu?

is your BluRay player 3d capable? or is it a 2d bluray player and your trying to play a 3d rendered mkv? if so it wont work.
post #190 of 798
you need to change your resolution to 1080i 60 then it will work
post #191 of 798
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Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

is your BluRay player 3d capable? or is it a 2d bluray player and your trying to play a 3d rendered mkv? if so it wont work.

Thanks for replying Daniel, Yes it is 3D capable. It is the Samsung HT-E5550w.

Bradley I will try changing the resolution on the player to 1080i 60.

Is it normal that the 3D menu option is un-selectable at this stage?
post #192 of 798
I just ordered the true depth DLP 144hz glasses with the right eye only or left eye only feature for my benq w1070

I'll be sure to post my first impressions
post #193 of 798
1080i got the mkv files going, thanks guys. I still have to select the 3D format manually as it wont let me select auto? At least it is working now.
post #194 of 798
i have on;y got auto working in frame packing mode
post #195 of 798
3DTV sent me 3 pairs to test out and all 3 are working. I dont have the True Depth's or Benq's to compare to but compared to the sansonics I would say all three are a little more stable, offer slightly better quality and are quite a bit more comfortable.

dlp2 gen3 - Battery operated, comfortable, no performance issues in very limited testing, big lenses that fit close to the face and cover my eyes well. These are probabaly my favorite so far.

dlprm - rechargable, comfortable, no performance issues in very limited testing. These are very small and on me leave big gaps, but my wife liked them pretty well though she said she had small gaps but felt like she could forget she was wearing them. These are probabaly my least favorite. They might fit well on women and children but I wouldnt suggest them for most men.

dlprg - rechargable, comfortable, saw flashes once but I was switching back and forth between glasses at the time so the testing environment was not great other than that no performance issues these are also big and fit me well. I think I like the dlp2's fit a little better but I have to be really critical to tell a difference. These have not been released yet, and the only real reason I can see that somene might want to wait on these rather than picking up the dlp2's would be the rechargable battery.

These are my opinions so far but I have worn each for less than an hour so far. If anything comes up in further testing I will post an update.
post #196 of 798
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Originally Posted by superfanatico View Post

3DTV sent me 3 pairs to test out and all 3 are working. I dont have the True Depth's or Benq's to compare to but compared to the sansonics I would say all three are a little more stable, offer slightly better quality and are quite a bit more comfortable.

dlp2 gen3 - Battery operated, comfortable, no performance issues in very limited testing, big lenses that fit close to the face and cover my eyes well. These are probabaly my favorite so far.

dlprm - rechargable, comfortable, no performance issues in very limited testing. These are very small and on me leave big gaps, but my wife liked them pretty well though she said she had small gaps but felt like she could forget she was wearing them. These are probabaly my least favorite. They might fit well on women and children but I wouldnt suggest them for most men.

dlprg - rechargable, comfortable, saw flashes once but I was switching back and forth between glasses at the time so the testing environment was not great other than that no performance issues these are also big and fit me well. I think I like the dlp2's fit a little better but I have to be really critical to tell a difference. These have not been released yet, and the only real reason I can see that somene might want to wait on these rather than picking up the dlp2's would be the rechargable battery.

These are my opinions so far but I have worn each for less than an hour so far. If anything comes up in further testing I will post an update.

would love to hear a comparaison with the true deph 144hz model
post #197 of 798
Could anyone give any feedback on wearing any of the 'acceptable' glasses (D4, true deph 144hz etc,) with normal eye glasses please? What glasses are good to watch 3D but fit comfortably over other glasses? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
post #198 of 798
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Originally Posted by OZReddog View Post

Could anyone give any feedback on wearing any of the 'acceptable' glasses (D4, true deph 144hz etc,) with normal eye glasses please? What glasses are good to watch 3D but fit comfortably over other glasses? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

I have the true depth glasses and they fit comfortably over my normal glasses.
post #199 of 798
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Originally Posted by dzenc View Post

I have the true depth glasses and they fit comfortably over my normal glasses.

Thank you, appreciate the feedback.

Anyone else have thoughts on other brands?
post #200 of 798
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Originally Posted by Devedander View Post

Thanks but a large part of the 3D conversion I would want covered is for TV and video games that don't have native 3D mode. If I undersatnd correctly that oppo doesn't convert non disc based content?

The monoprice 3d creator can do the 2d to 3d upconversion for you. I have one and I am actually selling it with 2 pairs optoma zd101 and 2 pairs 3d tvcorp glasses because I don't use it anymore. But it works great.
post #201 of 798
Hi everyone,

I wanted to share my experience with the combination of a BenQ W1070 projector and the True Depth 3D glasses...

I had never heard of True Depth until I read some reviews a couple weeks ago on Amazon, and then I emailed them (like many of us have) to double check the compatibility of these glasses with the W1070. Daniel told me they are compatible, but since then, he has been completely open about the current issue Kelvin has had with the noise interference and directed me to this link. Even with this isolated case (as far as I know so far) he wanted to be sure he does not hide anything from his customers. True Depth's customer support alone took away any reservations on giving these a try... they obviously want their customers happy and keep extremely good, open communication with them.

For the projector. after a couple weeks for searching reviews, specs and prices, nothing hit the perfect sweet spot like the BenQ W1070. I ordered through Amazon and received it just a week ago. I am not disappointed at all! I am using it with a 100" 16:9 screen and the picture is beautiful! When first shopping for a projector, I really had no intention of getting one that supports 3D. I'm a big fan of it (I have a 55" 3D LCD Toshiba) but with my current TV I experienced quite a bit of ghosting so the fun wore off quick. Once I saw the W1070 included 3D, I became more and more interested in seeing 3D on, not only a huge screen, but also in DLP.

I thought all of my researching headaches were gone, but now I found myself going through all this research again, only this time it was for glasses. I decided not to go with BenQ's glasses, mainly because of their price. The reviews were all "hit and miss" but when I came across True Depth, I found the same balance of price, quality and features that I seemed to have found with the W1070. And the reviews all seemed very good. So I ordered 4 pair and they came just 3 days ago.

Here is my review of True Depth 3D (used with the BenQ W1008):

STYLE: I love the style of True Depth! I compared them to my Toshiba 3D glasses (that's all I had to go by) and they actually look stylish for 3D glasses compared to the ridiculous looks of the Toshiba.

COMFORT: True Depth is much more balanced than my other brand and spreads out the grip in a larger area around the ears to eliminate painful pressure points, and because of this firm hold, it takes almost all of the weight/pressure off the nose and makes them very comfortable to wear. Very well balanced, stay in place perfect without any fear of them falling off. With the addition of 3 different size nose pieces, I imagine most ages/sizes will have a similar experience. Watch about 3 hours of video with no discomfort or any marks left on my face.

CONVENIENCE: They're rechargeable! What more could you say or want!

VIEWING: They have excellent contrast, but they do not make the picture too dark. They seem to allow more of the light from the picture to come through when the shutter is open, so the picture is brighter. The colors even seemed richer looking through the glasses, with good shadow detail which brings out the depth even better! I did not see any uniformity issues with mine and the red tint on the screen the projector produces turns black with no hint of red when the glasses are on.

SYNCING: The most important feature is how well they sync. I have a family of 4 and with all of us wearing them, they never lost sync once. Although it was in a completely dark room, but that's the only way I would ever watch a 3D movie anyway smile.gif Most important... I noticed ZERO crosstalk on these glasses! I was able to look around the screen at different depths and actually focus in on what I was looking at, without the "out of focus", blurry confusion that crosstalk causes. This was a treat, because I always dealt with this issue with the Toshiba and that's why 3D movies have taken a backseat until now. Also, using the DLP technology is a step up in quality 3D compared to LCD in my opinion. I highly recommend watching the IMAX 3D Blu Ray, Grand Canyon Adventure. The slow motion water bubbles that come out of the screen are amazing in 3D! I actually ordered this from True Depth too. On a side note: My 11 year old son has always got headaches from our other 3D TV, with this set up he did not. May have to do with faster shutter speed and no crosstalk I would imagine.

These are just well designed glasses and do not feel cheap. And the piece of mind that they are backed with what appears to be wonderful customer support, from everyone's feedback, is worth tons.

I am very curious what this issue could be with the humming sound Kelvin is experiencing. Like a couple others, I too listened to mine in a very quite room and held my ear up to ever surface and I could not hear anything.

I heard that a few months ago there was a firmware issue with the W1070 that had to do with the remote control not able to communicate sometimes with the projector. That was a concern, but I made sure that before I ordered I was receiving the most up to date firmware. Which it is, and this was just manufactured in January 2013. Is it at all possible that this could be an issue with the projector and somehow a firmware issue (with syncing?) also is causing this feedback noise??? I ordered my glasses straight from True Depth, to also make sure I have the latest firmware there too.

The only other thing I could think of was other electronic interference. But it sounds like Kelvin already tried to eliminate all of this (maybe short of trying it in a different home/building/etc.??). It would be interesting to try those same glasses with a different W1070 to get some more insight, because 3 pair seems to pretty much rule out a defective pair.

I'm glad they are working together it sounds like to get to the bottom of this, but at the same time I am glad I did not delay ordering because I'd be missing out right now smile.gif I really love them and I do wish I had other brands to compare them to for curiosity sake, but for happiness sake, I made the right choice!

I hope this has helped those in my shoes trying to make the same decisions I was a couple weeks ago and I'll keep checking in just in case you have any specific questions for me.

Thanks,
Chad
post #202 of 798
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Originally Posted by chad958 View Post

I hope this has helped those in my shoes trying to make the same decisions.

Thanks,
Chad

Thanks Chad, any personal feedback is welcome. I am in your situation at present having only owned the W1070 for a week. I have purchased and received some 'cheapies' from China just to get by until the 'noise' issue is sorted with True Depth. The one problem we have (in Australia) is the cost of postage. We get free postage from China and Hong Kong in a lot of instances. My 3D glasses were delivered free via TNT in 4 days. From the US it is expensive and must be factored into the decision. Having said that you would NOT but the Benq D3 here as they are around $130 per pair. So, even with postage costs, you would buy them from the US or Canada. So, given the cost of glasses it is a big decision and function, comfort and price must be considered.
post #203 of 798
guys, does the W1070 brightness suffer a lot when using 3d to a point where it's bothering you ? i read glasses can cut up to 50% in brightness frown.gif
post #204 of 798
i dont have a problem with my 1 gain screen in a full block out room. with a 2.5m screen
post #205 of 798
kilimats: The best setting to use that I have found is to keep it in the smarteco mode, as it increases and decreases the light output according to the scene. Yes, most glasses do cut the brightness, but when using this setting in 3D mode, if you look without your glasses it is overly bright and washed out. With the glasses, it balances out the brightness and contrast for a really nice picture. This is using the True Depth 3D glasses, I have not tried others with the W1070. On my 3D LCD TV, my Toshiba glasses cut the brightness, as you mentioned, probably 50%. It was too dark. So to answer your question, the 3D mode on the W1070 performs very well in a dark room. I also have a 1.0 gain screen (100" diagonal).

reddog: That is a tough situation, I didn't realize shipping was so expensive to Australia. I understand your concern with the current noise issue too. I'm not sure how many glasses they have sold, but from the feedback across Amazon and the forums, alot! Daniel said this is the first time they have ever had this issue and because they were able to reproduce it only when two projectors were running, it just seems that there must be something in the environment causing it. I know kelvin isn't using 2 projectors, but it does show proof that other electronics could be interfering. Hopefully they get it sorted out soon because I know your dealing with the shipping issue on top of everything.

kelvin: Any more news? On a personal note, I have to say that you are to be commended for helping work with True Depth on this issue rather than just blasting negative comments. I know that's easy to do when we have a negative experience, but obviously getting to the bottom of this not only helps you, but everyone. Although mine are working just fine, I'm still curious. Keep us posted!

Chad
post #206 of 798
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Originally Posted by chad958 View Post


kelvin: Any more news? On a personal note, I have to say that you are to be commended for helping work with True Depth on this issue rather than just blasting negative comments. I know that's easy to do when we have a negative experience, but obviously getting to the bottom of this not only helps you, but everyone. Although mine are working just fine, I'm still curious. Keep us posted!

Chad

Unfortunately I haven't had much success in debugging the noise issue. On the other hand, I got myself a pair of Monoprice DLP glasses today and to my surprise, it actually works quite well at 144Hz! I'd have to say that the contrast and colors are on-par with the TrueDepth (IMO, the Benq D3 still provides the best colors). The Monoprice blocks red tint on black as well as both the TrueDepth and the Benq. The shape and style of the Monoprice is very similar to the TrueDepth, except that the nose piece is a bit low on the Monoprice and since I don't have a high nose, the lenses would get very close to my eyes and get smudges easily. Another good thing about the Monoprice is that the lenses slant downward just like the TrueDepth. This helps to prevent the reflections of my cheeks from shining on the lenses especially on bright scenes. The Benq's (both D3 and J3925) suffer from this issue which I find quite annoying.

The Monoprice set does NOT have acoustic noise issue.

The Monoprice set isn't rechargeable, but it's not a big concern for me as I actually prefer non-rechargeables. The Monoprice comes with no inter-changeable nose piece while the TrueDepth comes with 2 extra nose-pieces. The sensor of the Monoprice is on the left-side while the sensor of the TrueDepth is in the middle. The Monoprice's button is on the inside of the left-arm while that of the TrueDepth is on the top of the left-arm. The Monoprice feels a bit lighter to me. The foldable arms of the TrueDepth is more flexible than the Monoprice. Both fit quite well and I cannot distinguish which from which when I wear them.

Here are a few pictures comparing the Monoprice and TrueDepth:

LEFT: TrueDepth RIGHT: Monoprice


Edited by kelvink - 2/25/13 at 8:13pm
post #207 of 798
so the monoprice glasses support the 144hz? but the price isnt that to far off from the TD and between the two well from what it sounds no one is able thus far to beat the customer service offered by TD.
post #208 of 798
thanks guys for the answers, btw can our W1070 projector do that using TD glasses ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-ae_u6guI
post #209 of 798
yes should work fine
post #210 of 798
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Originally Posted by kilimats View Post

thanks guys for the answers, btw can our W1070 projector do that using TD glasses ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-ae_u6guI

yes TRUE DEPTH glasses can do this just make sure when ordering them you ask for the option right eye only and left eye only on each pair of glasses.
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