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post #31 of 798
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Originally Posted by energizer30 View Post

I've been working with TrueDepth on glasses. They sent me protypes along with a return label if I didn't like them. These definitely flicker quicker then 120hz.
What you're getting with the PC is the way your hardware/software wants them to look, not like the studio intended it to look. Try Avatar through the PC and then through a 3D bluray player and a FULL 3D display and let me know which is better.
3D blurays are done with 3D framepacking which puts out left and right eye in the same frame.... so you're actually getting 1920X1080 X 2 in every frame.... Now that's resolution!

Yeah 1080p/24hz framepacking is the method PC uses for 1080p/24hz 3D material. No quality differences vs dedicated bluray player. I have avatar 3D and quite a lot of other 3D blurays AND i own W1070, FULL HD 3D display and also 720P acer H5360 and it's big jump from 720P to 1080P FULL HD 3D you should try it smile.gif

But back to topic, i do not think it's good idea to say it is 100% sure glasses that work with business projector like MW519 that we do not know for sure if it operates 144hz works also with THIS TOPIC projector.
At least inform what projector is used to test glasses...
post #32 of 798
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Originally Posted by JaMiR View Post

Yeah 1080p/24hz framepacking is the method PC uses for 1080p/24hz 3D material. No quality differences vs dedicated bluray player. I have avatar 3D and quite a lot of other 3D blurays AND i own W1070, FULL HD 3D display and also 720P acer H5360 and it's big jump from 720P to 1080P FULL HD 3D you should try it smile.gif
But back to topic, i do not think it's good idea to say it is 100% sure glasses that work with business projector like MW519 that we do not know for sure if it operates 144hz works also with THIS TOPIC projector.
At least inform what projector is used to test glasses...

I didn't know that was possible. I thought 3D "Ready" projectors along with software used mostly frame sequential/page flipping. I know of NO software that does framepacking for projectors. Please let me know what you're using.

I got the projector mostly for entertaining a "crowd" for football and some light PS3 3D gaming which are mostly only 720P for me. I have a 65" plasma 3D tv which I watch my Blu-rays on..... LOVE the blacks and shadow detail. NOTHING can compete.

BULL, the glasses BenQ says to use for the MW519's are the same for all the new BenQ projectors and operate at 96/100/120/144. ALL the glasses I've seen that work at 144 work at all these frequencies.

Furthermore, my projector makes these flash faster then 120hz..... I can barely see the flashes as compared to 120hz glasses..... which is obvious when looking at a light with the glasses active.
Edited by energizer30 - 1/8/13 at 4:22pm
post #33 of 798
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Originally Posted by energizer30 View Post

I didn't know that was possible. I thought 3D "Ready" projectors along with software used mostly frame sequential/page flipping. I know of NO software that does framepacking for projectors. Please let me know what you're using.
I got the projector mostly for entertaining a "crowd" for football and some light PS3 3D gaming which are mostly only 720P for me. I have a 65" plasma 3D tv which I watch my Blu-rays on..... LOVE the blacks and shadow detail. NOTHING can compete.
BULL, the glasses BenQ says to use for the MW519's are the same for all the new BenQ projectors and operate at 96/100/120/144. ALL the glasses I've seen that work at 144 work at all these frequencies.
Furthermore, my projector makes these flash faster then 120hz..... I can barely see the flashes as compared to 120hz glasses..... which is obvious when looking at a light with the glasses active.

When I attempted to use my PC to playback Bluray 3D discs I used PowerDVD software, and as JaMIR mentioned, it did put the content out as 1080p/24Hz framepacking through the HDMI port, just like a standalone bluray player. That was a year ago and since then I have been using a 3D media-player and a bluray player which are more reliable for content playback.
post #34 of 798
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Originally Posted by energizer30 View Post

I've been working with TrueDepth on glasses. They sent me protypes along with a return label if I didn't like them. These definitely flicker quicker then 120hz.
What you're getting with the PC is the way your hardware/software wants them to look, not like the studio intended it to look. Try Avatar through the PC and then through a 3D bluray player and a FULL 3D display and let me know which is better.
3D blurays are done with 3D framepacking which puts out left and right eye in the same frame.... so you're actually getting 1920X1080 X 2 in every frame.... Now that's resolution!

Who do you deal with at TrueDepth3D for the 144Hz glasses prototype? Let me contact them and see if I can test them out on my W1070.

Btw Jason at consignia.ca said that the packaging of their VIP 3D glasses says it supports 144Hz. I've asked to get a set for testing but he didn't reply yet. Perhaps he is doing the actual test soon.
post #35 of 798
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Originally Posted by kelvink View Post

When I attempted to use my PC to playback Bluray 3D discs I used PowerDVD software, and as JaMIR mentioned, it did put the content out as 1080p/24Hz framepacking through the HDMI port, just like a standalone bluray player. That was a year ago and since then I have been using a 3D media-player and a bluray player which are more reliable for content playback.

I'm talking about 3D "ready" projectors. I really wanted one last year and no software supported framepacking through a 3D ready projector. Check it out......
post #36 of 798
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Originally Posted by kelvink View Post

Who do you deal with at TrueDepth3D for the 144Hz glasses prototype? Let me contact them and see if I can test them out on my W1070.
Btw Jason at consignia.ca said that the packaging of their VIP 3D glasses says it supports 144Hz. I've asked to get a set for testing but he didn't reply yet. Perhaps he is doing the actual test soon.

I'm waiting for them to get back to me.... It's odd, he usually answers within hours. Maybe he's on vacation? Let's wait till I talk to him before I start giving out info to others.

Those glasses from VIP look the same as the DLP2's and the BenQ's. They all have the sensor on the left side and also use a battery. I don't doubt they work, but if they work good is the question I have. I'd go ahead and get them, See what you think of them. We'll figure something out quicker that way.....

LOL. just noticed they turn on with a white button on the inner left frame. Those look exactly like the DLP2's. Again, try them, see if you get a similar problem like I've been experiencing. BTW, are you from Canada?

Oh, I wasn't able to give them more then a few minutes last night. I'll try to get an hour or 2 tonight with the TrueDepths.
Edited by energizer30 - 1/8/13 at 7:47pm
post #37 of 798
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Originally Posted by energizer30 View Post

I didn't know that was possible. I thought 3D "Ready" projectors along with software used mostly frame sequential/page flipping. I know of NO software that does framepacking for projectors. Please let me know what you're using.
I got the projector mostly for entertaining a "crowd" for football and some light PS3 3D gaming which are mostly only 720P for me. I have a 65" plasma 3D tv which I watch my Blu-rays on..... LOVE the blacks and shadow detail. NOTHING can compete.
BULL, the glasses BenQ says to use for the MW519's are the same for all the new BenQ projectors and operate at 96/100/120/144. ALL the glasses I've seen that work at 144 work at all these frequencies.
Furthermore, my projector makes these flash faster then 120hz..... I can barely see the flashes as compared to 120hz glasses..... which is obvious when looking at a light with the glasses active.

Limiting factor with PC is what input projector support with modern hardware, if projector support 1080p/24hz frame packing then PC can output that. Any bluray software can do it WITH supported hardware. I'm using Total Media theatre 5.
You can output 1080p/24hz frame packed with nVidia 3Dtv play also, even the desktop if you like and this is how i watch most of my other then bluray material.
There is NO image quality difference frame packed vs frame sequential and i would take frame sequential any day over frame packed! why? As a gamer frame sequential less lag, because less processing inside projector. At the moment PC 3D gamers suffers HDMI 1.4a quite a lot because
max 3D 1080p is 24hz frame packing and it sucks vs 3D Vision 1080p pageflipping/frame sequential mode at 120hz that uses more then double the bandwidth compared to 24hz frame packing but there is no 1080p projectors with 3D vision 120hz support or even 1080p/60hz frame packing....

back to Topic. There is glasses that work with 96hz, 100hz, and 120hz but not 144hz, one of them is Expand edux 3 AND there is still no 100% confimation from truedepth that their glasses work with 144hz.
post #38 of 798
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TrueDepth Tech Support mentions that "Our latest version is capable of 144Hz":

http://truedepth3d.com/true-depth-3d-rechargeable-dlp-link-glasses-for-dlp-3d-tvs-and-projectors/

Yet, it is unclear whether this "latest version" is currently being sold as some members say that they're still beta-testing on 144Hz support.

I've posted a reply on their blog to see if I can get a set to test on the w1070.
post #39 of 798
Am confused I own this projector will I need one pair of certain glasses for PC ps3 xbox gaming? And a different pair for blueray 3D?

If someone could recommend a great working pair it would be appreciated smile.gif
post #40 of 798
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Am confused I own this projector will I need one pair of certain glasses for PC ps3 xbox gaming? And a different pair for blueray 3D?

If someone could recommend a great working pair it would be appreciated smile.gif

For stereoscopic 3D games, AFAIK, you can use pretty much any DLP-link glasses on the market. This topic deals with 1080p/24Hz 3D contents, and the W1070 uses 144Hz DLP-link signalling for that. Usually stereoscopic 3D gaming doesn't use 1080p/24Hz, and the W1070 can't take anything higher than 24Hz on 1080p stereoscopic 3D content.
post #41 of 798
So if I have a pair of 144 Hz glasses they will work for all 3D content on my w1070? All my games downloaded 720 3D movies and 3D blu rays? Thanks
post #42 of 798
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Originally Posted by dustinlittle View Post

So if I have a pair of 144 Hz glasses they will work for all 3D content on my w1070? All my games downloaded 720 3D movies and 3D blu rays? Thanks

First of all, welcome to the forum, dustinlittle!

Regarding your questions:

(1) To take full advantage of the W1070 stereoscopic 3D, 1080p source materials (3D Blurays/ISO's) are much better than 720p. To do so, you'll need 144Hz glasses, which also cover (2) below.
(2) If one only cares about stereoscopic 3D games and 720p 3D movies, then 120Hz glasses are fine (basically all the DLP-link glasses on the market today)

But then, if one only cares about (2), he/she wouldn't be buying the W1070 to begin with as there are many other 3D-ready 720p projectors at much lower cost.
post #43 of 798
@Kelvink what 144Hz glasses would you personally recommend so far?

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post #44 of 798
Hey thanks for the quick reply. No wonder I couldn't get my 120 hz working. I just ordered sainsonic 144 hz and those will cover it all correct? Cause everything other than my 3D blu rays are 60 hz and I thought the numbers had to mathematically correspond? Like 24 hz goes in 144 hz and so on. I'm not very tech savy. Also would you recommend a good surround sound system? Thanks!
post #45 of 798
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Originally Posted by kelvink View Post

TrueDepth Tech Support mentions that "Our latest version is capable of 144Hz":

http://truedepth3d.com/true-depth-3d-rechargeable-dlp-link-glasses-for-dlp-3d-tvs-and-projectors/

Yet, it is unclear whether this "latest version" is currently being sold as some members say that they're still beta-testing on 144Hz support.

I've posted a reply on their blog to see if I can get a set to test on the w1070.

Will have mine Monday can tell you by Tuesday night how well they work.

But to make sure you get the right ones email their Contact Us emal and Tell them how many pair you want of their new DLP-Link glasses for the BenQ W1070.
That is how I did it.

He emailed me a PayPal invoice which I then payed.

Rew
post #46 of 798
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

@Kelvink what 144Hz glasses would you personally recommend so far?

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I currently only have the Sainsonics (a set of 144Hz and 2 sets of 120Hz). While the 144Hz Sainsonic works with 1080p/24Hz signal, a buddy (also a forum member, Scotty144) brought his Benq (5J.J7K25.001) and we all agreed that the Benq is brighter. Also, the Sainsonics (all of them) would lose the L/R sequence which is way too much trouble. My daughter got nausea when it happened. While a button-press would fix the L/R sync, but they're definitely not children-friendly. The Benq J7K25 doesn't appear to have this problem. Furthermore, the Sainsonics don't block the red tint on blacks completely. For these reasons, I wouldn't recommend the Sainsonics.

I have the Benq J7K25 on order, and a Benq J3925 being shipped from WA to NY. I am also expecting a set from Daniel of TrueDepth. I will also be ordering the VIP 3D glasses from consignia.ca when the owner comes back from CES. Hopefully I will have a good bunch of 144Hz glasses to review. Stay tuned.
post #47 of 798
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Originally Posted by dustinlittle View Post

Hey thanks for the quick reply. No wonder I couldn't get my 120 hz working. I just ordered sainsonic 144 hz and those will cover it all correct? Cause everything other than my 3D blu rays are 60 hz and I thought the numbers had to mathematically correspond? Like 24 hz goes in 144 hz and so on. I'm not very tech savy. Also would you recommend a good surround sound system? Thanks!

I have the Sainsonic 144Hz set but I have issues with it. Read the above post.
post #48 of 798
I just got this reply from True Depth 3D. Figured I'd post this here before they get bombarded with requests from you guys.
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Thank you for writing. Yes, this seems to be the common theme for this projector unfortunately.

We've confirmed that our newest glasses work great at 144hz, but have not yet tested them specifically with the W1070 projector. We will (hopefully) be getting one of these projectors (on loan) from Benq in the next week or two and will perform some tests. Some customers has already purchased these glasses for their W1070 projector understanding that our tests are not yet complete. However, since we offer a 30 day money back guarantee (we pay shipping both ways in the U.S. for returns due to a compatibility issue) it makes it virtually risk free.

If you'd like to purchase, we offer this policy to all of our customers. However, I understand if you'd like to wait for further testing. Please let me know if you have further questions. I'm happy to help! Please note that we are "closing up" soon here and I may not respond until after the weekend. Thank you for your interest!

Daniel
True Depth 3D Support

I'm going to order me a pair. One thing to note, it appears simply based by model numbers that other resellers are carrying the version 2 of these glasses, which I don't believe work at 144Hz, and I could only find the version 3 glasses at their website. I have access to a few high speed cameras that can do about 1000fps, so I should be able to send them back video of any issues that I see, or post on here pictures of any issues.
post #49 of 798
Did someone mention something about buying sainsonic 3d glasses off eBay on this or the other thread a while back? I think someone said to watch out for something....

Is this seller good?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261081978411

they ship to canada so thats good...and comes around $28-29 shipped.

Wuts the difference between sainsonic 144hz 3d glasses for optoma vs benq etc....?
post #50 of 798
Any reviews on Benq D3 glasses? do they offer better 3D than the others?
post #51 of 798
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

Any reviews on Benq D3 glasses? do they offer better 3D than the others?

When Scotty144 brought over his Benq D3 glasses, we agreed that they were brighter compared to the Sainsonics. He also confirmed that they never lose the L/R sequence (something that Sainsonics would do which is very unacceptable), and they only lose sync when not viewing directly on the screen but sync back very quickly.

Yet, the set is not rechargeable (some may consider better), and to Scott, it's not as comfortable to his noise as the Sainsonics.
Edited by kelvink - 1/15/13 at 5:34am
post #52 of 798
Come here every day loooking for that one post "Bought these glasses and they work.perfect with the W1070"

Looking forward to finding out so I can start enjoying some 3D!

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post #53 of 798
Does any one know if true depth makes a dlp glasses that would only do left eye olny and right eye only, and any chance that we will be able to down load an up date to the true depth glasses to get then to work in 144 hz.? As i just bought 3 pairs back in Dec. for my Benq w7000 but I have returned. But got my first look at the W1070 last night and what a great little projector for the price.
post #54 of 798
The benq 3d glasses cost about $90+ while sainsonics are only like $30.......I can't justify paying that much for 3d glasses when for the majority of the time everything i'm using it for will be 2D.....only time I'm going to do something 3D is for the sake of giving it a shot.
post #55 of 798
Are there any 144 Hz glasses that support dual play, simulview (or whatever its called) so that a split screen (over under format) game can be played by 2 players without them seeing eachother screen ?
post #56 of 798
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Come here every day loooking for that one post "Bought these glasses and they work.perfect with the W1070"

Looking forward to finding out so I can start enjoying some 3D!

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Dito
post #57 of 798
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Originally Posted by safe bobo View Post

The benq 3d glasses cost about $90+ while sainsonics are only like $30.......I can't justify paying that much for 3d glasses when for the majority of the time everything i'm using it for will be 2D.....only time I'm going to do something 3D is for the sake of giving it a shot.
I hear ya, I think its part of BenQ's marketing strategy, they rope us in with a minimal profit sale on projector, then they BenQ us over and rape us on $90 glasses. No doubt Ben adds some Q's to the code in projectors so only his work properly. So much for these new universal standards that were supposedly implanted. They shouldn't be allowed to be sell glasses with Universal claim even projectors for that mater unless they been 100% tested and comply with a standard compatible across the board. Just another unfortunate repercussion of this corporate dictatorship running the world these days, guess its cheaper to lobby, deregulate and bribe politicians then be held to a standard. Thanks Ben rolleyes.gif
post #58 of 798
Hi!

I am new here to AVS, so HELLLOOOOOO everyone! smile.gif

I just made my first purchase of the BenQ 1070 and it should arrive soon, but I was more excited about watching movies in 3D.
Didn't think about the glasses until now...my bad (DOH!).

I see that the BenQ ones are like $90. Wow!

Did someone try out these exact pair? They say they are for the BenQ 1070 listed in the item description: http://www.amazon.com/DLP%C2%AE-3ACTIVE%C2%AE-Glasses-Projectors-Rechargeable/dp/B008DKFZEK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358974660&sr=8-1&keywords=W1070+3d+glasses

I was going to order them and find out, but they will probably arrive faster than the projector, which should be here in a week or so.
Edited by nappers - 1/23/13 at 1:48pm
post #59 of 798
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Today I received the 3 new sets of glasses that are supposed to be 144Hz compatible. From left to right:

Sainsonic 144Hz
TrueDepth new 144Hz version
Benq 5J.J3925.001 (rechargeable)
Benq 5J.J7K25.001 "D3" (non-rechargeable)

I will post some of my thoughts asap. I can't wait to try them out... stay tuned...
post #60 of 798
Hello! New to this thread. Trying to decide if I should return my Epson 3020 and get a Benq w1070? I just purchased 4 pairs of samsung SSG-4100GB 3d glasses to go with the 2 that came with the 3020. Would the samsung SSG-4100GB work with the w1070?

thanks
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