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post #301 of 799
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I just found another alternative that work just as well and are very comfortable.

These work as well as the Benq's and cost $58 for two pairs. They also block the red flash and support 144k.

Amazon sells them in the US.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Unfortunately, they do not ship outside the USA. Pity as it is a very good deal.
post #302 of 799
Hey guys I ordered a w1070 the other day with two d3 glasses. So I have to worry about the glasses loosing sync? I'm sitting 9.5 feet away from a 92 inch screen in a bat cave.
post #303 of 799
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Originally Posted by Adamd View Post

Hey guys I ordered a w1070 the other day with two d3 glasses. So I have to worry about the glasses loosing sync? I'm sitting 9.5 feet away from a 92 inch screen in a bat cave.
no problem at all for loosing sync,great glasses
enjoy the pj and the 3d
post #304 of 799
I apologize for the length of this post, but recently I did some calibrating of my Benq W1070 using a meter in 3D mode and I thought the results might be useful to some of you. Based on recommendations in this thread, I purchased 1 pair each of the True Depth and Monoprice glasses. I thought I would compare them and then buy more pairs of whichever one I liked better. I also purchased a pair of the Sainsonic Black glasses from Amazon for comparision, but ended up returning them (see below).

I'd have to say that in general I haven't been that impressed with the 3D picture on this projector using the default 3D mode settings. The colors and image detail seem very washed out, which is why I set out to try and balance the gray scale and color a little better.

To take measurements, I taped the 3D glasses to my meter (i1 Display Pro), and placed them in front of the screen, mounted on a microphone stand. I took seperate measurements with the True Depth and Monoprice glasses and they actually turned out to give fairly similar results. I tried the same with the Sainsonic glasses, but I couldn't get them to sync reliably that close to the screen, so I gave up and just used the True Depth and Monoprice glasses - they had no problem syncing up close to the screen.



In the intial white balance measurements, you'll notice how low the red levels are - in fact beyond about 60 IRE they were virtually undetectable by the meter. The main reason people recommend the True Depth and Monoprice glasses is because they are very good at removing the DLP link "red flash". I suspect the low red levels in general are a side effect of this.

True Depth Glasses:

Monoprice Glasses:


Generally, I'm not a fan of Brilliant Color, but I decided that 3D mode could use a little extra "pop", so I took a second set of measurements with BC turned on. What I found was that while the color levels tend to not be balanced very well (green is pushed much higher that blue), it does tend to put back a lot of the red that the glasses filtered out. For this reason, and because it also adds a little more brightness to the picture (something you can always use in 3D mode), I decided to leave BC on and adjust from that baseline.

True Depth Glasses with BC:

Monoprice Glasses with BC:


To balance the colors, I had to turn up the red gain a lot. I also lowered the the offsets considerably to reduce the "over-driven" effect of the default values (more with the True Depth glasses). As you can see from the graph, I did not try to bring all of the levels down to zero. I left them higher at the low IRE levels to compensate a little for the darkness of the 3D picture. The result is a gamma closer to 2.1 than 2.2, but I think it strikes a good balance between contrast and shadow detail. At 100 IRE there was a large drop off in the red level. Anything I did to try and raise the level of red there tended to disrupt the whole curve so I didn't worry about that one and focused on blancing the middle IRE levels.

True Depth Glasses Post Calibration:

Monoprice Glasses Post Calibration:


I also took CMS measurements and made some adjustments, but the colors weren't bad out of the box, so I won't go into detail on that. Post calibration, I think that the colors appear much more accurate and there is much less of that "washed out" effect I complained about earlier. The picture is still quite dark - but that is just the nature of 3D viewing. I decided to get more pairs of the Monoprice glasses and make those my primary 3D viewing glasses, because the results were similar to True Depth and my family liked the fit better.

I hesitate to post specific settings because every projector, lamp, and viewing environment are different, but here they are to give you some idea of how much I had to change them from the default:
Code:
Setting        Default   True Depth   Monoprice

Brightness     50        50           47
Contrast       50        47           47
Red Gain       95        115          118
Green Gain     89        90           89
Blue Gain      93        100          102
Red Offset     256       206          235
Green Offset   264       224          265
Blue Offset    256       211          254

Edited by sigma957 - 3/23/13 at 10:40am
post #305 of 799
sigma957, wow thanks for that insight, I plan to get the 3dCorpTV glasses which a lot people say is pretty similar to the Monoprice ones, so reading this gives me a general idea of what to expect to adjust on my projector but like you said each situation is different but this does allow for a nice baseline to compare with whats a possible outcome. Thanks
post #306 of 799
Hi,

I've read a lot of comments regarding the dlp glasses from True Depth. I received mine today, and I'm sorry to say they work with 720p, but not when playing 1080p 24hz. My purpose when bying these glasses was 1080p, and on their page they state that w1070 is supported, but that is not the case.
I guess I just have to wait for the Benq D3 glasses to become available.

No need for others to make the same mistake
post #307 of 799
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Originally Posted by Tannverk View Post

Hi,

I've read a lot of comments regarding the dlp glasses from True Depth. I received mine today, and I'm sorry to say they work with 720p, but not when playing 1080p 24hz. My purpose when bying these glasses was 1080p, and on their page they state that w1070 is supported, but that is not the case.
I guess I just have to wait for the Benq D3 glasses to become available.

No need for others to make the same mistake

where and how did you buy them? if from ebay or amazon then yes you bought the (old) wrong glasses from what I can see no one is selling the current ones through those sources other then ordering direct from TD, so yeah if you did buy direct from TD then you needed to get 3.0 and higher preferably the newest 3.5 version.
post #308 of 799
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Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

Where and how did you buy them? If from ebay or amazon then yes you bought the (old) wrong glasses from what I can see no one is selling the current ones through those sources other then ordering direct from TD, so yeah if you did buy direct from TD then you needed to get 3.0 and higher preferably the newest 3.5 version.

Absolutely correct. There are quite a few sellers peddling 'old' stock that is NOT compatible with 144Hz DLP-Link projectors, such as the W1070. Be very careful.

sigma957 thanks for the comprehensive results, appreciated! But unless I missed something the reason you returned the Sainsonics is that they would not sync at very close distances from the screen?
post #309 of 799
I actually bought them directly from TD ( http://truedepth3d.com/) with order details saying v.3.5. Sent them a mail, but no reply as of yet. Must say, I'm not very confident and looking at it as money lost. Gonna wait for their reply though.
post #310 of 799
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Originally Posted by OZReddog View Post

sigma957 thanks for the comprehensive results, appreciated! But unless I missed something the reason you returned the Sainsonics is that they would not sync at very close distances from the screen?
Yes, that's really the only reason - I couldn't get accurate measurements with them on the meter, so I decided that I'd rather use the glasses that I could measure. Just using them by eye I could tell (like others have noted) that the picture had much more red in it. It may have been possible to calibrate them by turning down the red a little (unlike the other glasses where I had to turn it up), but I couldn't measure accurately.
post #311 of 799
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Originally Posted by vazelos View Post

i checked SKY 3D with benq glasses and i see no blurring or anything else,try this shop from Europe
https://www.alternate.de/html/product/BenQ/3D_Shutterbrille/1060573/?tk=10&lk=6353

Thanks for the reply vazelos. Not sure what to do yet, I have bought a Panasonic DMP-BDT500 to test kelvink's theory that it could be a bad source and not the glasses. I have a 3D disc arriving tomorrow to test the glasses at 24p/144hz. To be honest I am hoping it is the glasses and not the source at fault. At the price of the BenQ glasses, I would want the promise of a refund if I'm not happy with them!
post #312 of 799
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Originally Posted by Tannverk View Post

I actually bought them directly from TD ( http://truedepth3d.com/) with order details saying v.3.5. Sent them a mail, but no reply as of yet. Must say, I'm not very confident and looking at it as money lost. Gonna wait for their reply though.

FYI: TD contacted my saying they apologize, but an error had occurred and a batch of 4-5 old models was shipped by accident. They say they will give me a refund or a replacement. I've asked for a replacement, so currently crossing my fingers. They were quick and professional, so I got my hopes up, feeling this might get solved.
post #313 of 799
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Originally Posted by Tannverk View Post

FYI: TD contacted my saying they apologize, but an error had occurred and a batch of 4-5 old models was shipped by accident. They say they will give me a refund or a replacement. I've asked for a replacement, so currently crossing my fingers. They were quick and professional, so I got my hopes up, feeling this might get solved.

Good result then. I would have been surprised if they had not responded positively. It did seem strange as, apart from a very small number reporting a 'buzz' from the arms of the glasses, every one else have been very pleased with these glasses when purchased direct from TD. Did you ask for their 'special' glasses with the full option range?
post #314 of 799
I have the BenQ W710ST and following this thread I ordered the True Depth glasses from Amazon a couple weeks ago. I must have gotten the older version because they are constantly flickering and sometimes lose sync. Yesterday I received the Ebay Sainsonic 144Hz Glasses from a USA seller and they work great. They never flicker and the picture looks the same as the True Depths. I do like the fit of the True Depths better so I am debating if I should order a couple more pairs from True Depth direct. I wish there was a way to know which version of the True Depths that I have. They were not worth over double what I paid for the Sainsonics. Actually not even worth what the Sainsonic cost since the Sainsonic are working flawlessly with my projector.
post #315 of 799
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Originally Posted by Soupy1970 View Post

I have the BenQ W710ST and following this thread I ordered the True Depth glasses from Amazon a couple weeks ago. I must have gotten the older version because they are constantly flickering and sometimes lose sync. Yesterday I received the Ebay Sainsonic 144Hz Glasses from a USA seller and they work great. They never flicker and the picture looks the same as the True Depths. I do like the fit of the True Depths better so I am debating if I should order a couple more pairs from True Depth direct. I wish there was a way to know which version of the True Depths that I have. They were not worth over double what I paid for the Sainsonics. Actually not even worth what the Sainsonic cost since the Sainsonic are working flawlessly with my projector.

that projector doesnt support 144hz so why would you buy any in the first place?
post #316 of 799
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Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

that projector doesnt support 144hz so why would you buy any in the first place?

I plan on upgrading to a better projector. They are backward compatible. Why wouldn't I buy the newest generation of any product?
post #317 of 799
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Originally Posted by Soupy1970 View Post

I plan on upgrading to a better projector. They are backward compatible. Why wouldn't I buy the newest generation of any product?

Most of us are not pleased with Saisonics @144hz. I would currently recommend the Monoprice dlp-link glasses as the value buy in the US. They are on Amazon also.
post #318 of 799
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Originally Posted by OZReddog View Post

Good result then. I would have been surprised if they had not responded positively. It did seem strange as, apart from a very small number reporting a 'buzz' from the arms of the glasses, every one else have been very pleased with these glasses when purchased direct from TD. Did you ask for their 'special' glasses with the full option range?

Not sure what the full option range is? As you might have guessed, I did not order that feature, but did not notice that as an option either. What is it?
post #319 of 799
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Originally Posted by Soupy1970 View Post

I plan on upgrading to a better projector. They are backward compatible. Why wouldn't I buy the newest generation of any product?

Sorry I meant why would you buy any Saisonics in the first place, if your looking for something cheap I would have at least gone with 3dTV Corp or Monoprice.
post #320 of 799
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I think if you drop them a line and pay with paypal they might ship them to you.

I just found another alternative that work just as well and are very comfortable.

These work as well as the Benq's and cost $58 for two pairs. They also block the red flash and support 144k.

Amazon sells them in the US.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Compared to the Sansonic or OKBA these glasses block the red flash much better. The 3dTV corp ones are a great buy since they are no more expensive than the Sansonic ones and are so much better.
They are not rechargeable but in some ways this is even better since they use the low cost 2032 batteries which last a long time. I have had rechargeable pairs go bad and I could not change the batteries.

If you have a problem getting either pairs drop me a PM.

Thanks for the info. I was considering either the BenQ D3's or the TrueDepths. This makes my decision infinitely easier.

For this price with the same performance as the D3's, I'll live with no rechargeable glasses.

Has the design of the new 144hz 3DTV Corp glasses changed, or do they still look like those pictured?
post #321 of 799
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Originally Posted by Tannverk View Post

Not sure what the full option range is? As you might have guessed, I did not order that feature, but did not notice that as an option either. What is it?

Quoting my post #185:

'I would hold off, if you can, until the noise problem has been addressed (see post #181 above). Also, if you haven't read it, I would opt for the 'switching' option, see post #146. This would allow for Dual Play using a PS3 or Xbox 360 etc. if you are into that sort of thing. Here are the functions:

press the power button:
1. (the first press) 3D
2. Polarity reversal (if the 3D needs to be inverted, this will do the trick)
3. left eye only
4. right eye only
5. power off.

That means that you have a full range of options available.'

This means the polarity can be reversed (better for some people) and also dual play can be used on 3D games by making one pair of glasses 'left eye only' and another pair 'right eye only'.
post #322 of 799
I looked all through this forum and did not see a reference to the G3 DLP 3D Glasses by Quantum 3D. I purchased two pairs online from 3D glasses unlimited for $89 and they work perfectly with
my W1070. No loss of sync, no red tint on black very comfortable to wear and decent brightness. Has anyone else tried these?
post #323 of 799
Hi 'Shaft65', I've got 4 pairs of the Sainsonics and use my w1070 for 3D using blu-rays, PS3 gaming and Sky. I can say for sure that the 3D blu-rays give a sharper and smoother picture than Sky 3D. I still enjoy the 3D content on Sky, but it's better from blu-ray in my opinion. Hope you agree given you've splashed out now on a 3D blu-ray player! Apparently Sky 3d loses half of the horizontal resolution due to the 'side by side' nature of its 3D format. Hope this helps smile.gif.
post #324 of 799
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Originally Posted by sigma957 View Post

I apologize for the length of this post, but recently I did some calibrating of my Benq W1070 using a meter in 3D mode and I thought the results might be useful to some of you. Based on recommendations in this thread, I purchased 1 pair each of the True Depth and Monoprice glasses. I thought I would compare them and then buy more pairs of whichever one I liked better. I also purchased a pair of the Sainsonic Black glasses from Amazon for comparision, but ended up returning them (see below).

I'd have to say that in general I haven't been that impressed with the 3D picture on this projector using the default 3D mode settings. The colors and image detail seem very washed out, which is why I set out to try and balance the gray scale and color a little better.

To take measurements, I taped the 3D glasses to my meter (i1 Display Pro), and placed them in front of the screen, mounted on a microphone stand. I took seperate measurements with the True Depth and Monoprice glasses and they actually turned out to give fairly similar results. I tried the same with the Sainsonic glasses, but I couldn't get them to sync reliably that close to the screen, so I gave up and just used the True Depth and Monoprice glasses - they had no problem syncing up close to the screen.



In the intial white balance measurements, you'll notice how low the red levels are - in fact beyond about 60 IRE they were virtually undetectable by the meter. The main reason people recommend the True Depth and Monoprice glasses is because they are very good at removing the DLP link "red flash". I suspect the low red levels in general are a side effect of this.

True Depth Glasses:

Monoprice Glasses:


Generally, I'm not a fan of Brilliant Color, but I decided that 3D mode could use a little extra "pop", so I took a second set of measurements with BC turned on. What I found was that while the color levels tend to not be balanced very well (green is pushed much higher that blue), it does tend to put back a lot of the red that the glasses filtered out. For this reason, and because it also adds a little more brightness to the picture (something you can always use in 3D mode), I decided to leave BC on and adjust from that baseline.

True Depth Glasses with BC:

Monoprice Glasses with BC:


To balance the colors, I had to turn up the red gain a lot. I also lowered the the offsets considerably to reduce the "over-driven" effect of the default values (more with the True Depth glasses). As you can see from the graph, I did not try to bring all of the levels down to zero. I left them higher at the low IRE levels to compensate a little for the darkness of the 3D picture. The result is a gamma closer to 2.1 than 2.2, but I think it strikes a good balance between contrast and shadow detail. At 100 IRE there was a large drop off in the red level. Anything I did to try and raise the level of red there tended to disrupt the whole curve so I didn't worry about that one and focused on blancing the middle IRE levels.

True Depth Glasses Post Calibration:

Monoprice Glasses Post Calibration:


I also took CMS measurements and made some adjustments, but the colors weren't bad out of the box, so I won't go into detail on that. Post calibration, I think that the colors appear much more accurate and there is much less of that "washed out" effect I complained about earlier. The picture is still quite dark - but that is just the nature of 3D viewing. I decided to get more pairs of the Monoprice glasses and make those my primary 3D viewing glasses, because the results were similar to True Depth and my family liked the fit better.

I hesitate to post specific settings because every projector, lamp, and viewing environment are different, but here they are to give you some idea of how much I had to change them from the default:
Code:
Setting        Default   True Depth   Monoprice

Brightness     50        50           47
Contrast       50        47           47
Red Gain       95        115          118
Green Gain     89        90           89
Blue Gain      93        100          102
Red Offset     256       206          235
Green Offset   264       224          265
Blue Offset    256       211          254

Thanks for the great post. You may be interested that 3dTTV has the same glasses as the Monoprice for $58 for two pairs on Amazon with free shipping.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They are from the same manufacturer I would also recommend the new 3DActive rechargeable glasses from Dimensional Optics. They are the same as the True Depth glasses but come with a nice case a power adapter. (I don't think Amazon has the new versions in stock yet)
Both of these glasses do a great job of blocking the red flash.
post #325 of 799
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

Thanks for the info. I was considering either the BenQ D3's or the TrueDepths. This makes my decision infinitely easier.

For this price with the same performance as the D3's, I'll live with no rechargeable glasses.

Has the design of the new 144hz 3DTV Corp glasses changed, or do they still look like those pictured?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160979095008?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Appears to be their most recent.
post #326 of 799
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

Thanks for the great post. You may be interested that 3dTTV has the same glasses as the Monoprice for $58 for two pairs on Amazon with free shipping.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They are from the same manufacturer I would also recommend the new 3DActive rechargeable glasses from Dimensional Optics. They are the same as the True Depth glasses but come with a nice case a power adapter. (I don't think Amazon has the new versions in stock yet)
Both of these glasses do a great job of blocking the red flash.

Not the same. The Monoprice set are a newer 2013 design. They both appear to be Hi-Shock models though.

http://en.hishock.com/product.aspx?TypeId=81&Tid=71
post #327 of 799
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Originally Posted by Sir_Q View Post

Not the same. The Monoprice set are a newer 2013 design. They both appear to be Hi-Shock models though.

http://en.hishock.com/product.aspx?TypeId=81&Tid=71

I just received the new 3D DLP Link glasses and the ones Amazon is now shipping the new ones. The 3D-Tv ones model number is DLP 2 Pro and right on the box under compatible frequency it states 96/100/120/144.

These are in fact the same as the Monoprice ones they also support the 144hz frequency. I just received these from Amazon a few days ago and two pairs sell for $58 shipped. I have tested them and they work great.
I do know that 3d-Tv did previously sell the older version but it seems that the new DLP-2 Pros are the ones shipping now and are the 2013 design. The same is true with the True Depth and 3DActive rechargeable glasses being made by the same manufacturer.
The True Depth and 3DActive even have the same model number on them.

This is the link I used for the 3D0TV DLP 2 Pro 144k glasses on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also let Monoprice know that there glasses are now more expensive.
Edited by rwestley - 3/26/13 at 4:35am
post #328 of 799
Hello all,

Yesterday I purchased the w1070 and now am looking for 3d glasses smile.gif

I am located in Turkey and really appreciate any help on what to purchase via ebay or from an online store that can ship to Turkey.
If you can provide several links I would be greatly appreciated.

Finally, what is your advice for kids?
I would like to buy 2x glasses for adults and 2x for 5-6 years old kids (one for my daughter and one for her friend, lol)...

Best regards.

edit:

for adults, I am planning to buy these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-New-144Hz-Tech-for-BenQ-Optoma-Sharp-Acer-Dell-3D-DLP-Link-Projector-Glasses-/281071032288?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item41712397e0

for kids, I have no idea.
Edited by Lex vs Kingpin - 3/26/13 at 6:14am
post #329 of 799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex vs Kingpin View Post

Hello all,

Yesterday I purchased the w1070 and now am looking for 3d glasses smile.gif

I am located in Turkey and really appreciate any help on what to purchase via ebay or from an online store that can ship to Turkey.
If you can provide several links I would be greatly appreciated.

Finally, what is your advice for kids?
I would like to buy 2x glasses for adults and 2x for 5-6 years old kids (one for my daughter and one for her friend, lol)...

Best regards.

edit:

for adults, I am planning to buy these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-New-144Hz-Tech-for-BenQ-Optoma-Sharp-Acer-Dell-3D-DLP-Link-Projector-Glasses-/281071032288?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item41712397e0

for kids, I have no idea.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex vs Kingpin View Post

Hello all,

Yesterday I purchased the w1070 and now am looking for 3d glasses smile.gif

I am located in Turkey and really appreciate any help on what to purchase via ebay or from an online store that can ship to Turkey.
If you can provide several links I would be greatly appreciated.

Finally, what is your advice for kids?
I would like to buy 2x glasses for adults and 2x for 5-6 years old kids (one for my daughter and one for her friend, lol)...

Best regards.

edit:

for adults, I am planning to buy these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-New-144Hz-Tech-for-BenQ-Optoma-Sharp-Acer-Dell-3D-DLP-Link-Projector-Glasses-/281071032288?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item41712397e0

for kids, I have no idea.


These look like they are the new models made by the company that sells the OKBA in the US. These new models look much better than the old ones but I have not tried them. At this price for two they are probably worth a try.
post #330 of 799
Just got my 3DTV corp glasses and they work great except if you look more through the left eye, there is a blue tint and if you look more through the right eye, there is a bit of red tint.
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