Epson 5020UB Owners Thread... - Page 5

Quick update, spoke too soon x2. The color issue is back now too, so now I'm definitely leaning towards a handshake problem. Changing resolutions brings colors back to normal so I'm not sure if it's a fault with the PJ or the GPU. Anyone else using an HTPC and seeing this?

Yes, similar and it is annoying, my problems are when I do scroll through my movies in sagetv, but only if I do it quickly. Another one is PowerDVD 12 as soon it come on it will make my screen black. Also seem that it changes to crazy resolutions too.
My set up is:
2x ATI cards 1 HD6XXX and other HD5XXX both supporting 3D
One serve to LR TV and BR TV and other one is for PJ is 5010.
So really this issue is with hand shake.
I was thinking to switch to nvidia but I guess I might still have those problems.

Use a level to make sure the pj is "level", front to back, side to side. Don't use keystone, "lens shift" is what you should be using. http://www.projectorreviews.com/advice/general/opticalkeystone.php If the image isn't square, the pj/screen is not level. Different components have different sensitivity to hdmi signals and can cause the issues your having. Turn off "deep color" in the bluray player if it has that capability. That can help sometimes. If the cable is over 20', you may be pushing the limits on a normal hdmi cable with 3d. Try a better cable, or if you can, hook up a short one to your 3d source, directly to the pj and see if the issue goes away.

If both pj's are the same, someone's calibration for their setup, will be different than your environment/setup. See the difference? A pro calibration would be best, and a diy calibration might make a perceivable difference in the image. Either will most likely drop the brightness a bit. I'd wait till after 200 or so hours, and in the meantime, find a certified tech, or start reading about how to do it correctly.

Weird stuff to be sure. I've tried forcing the EDID info on the AVR and then the PJ with no change. Anyone know if Epson reps come to the forums?

I think his procedure was based on "avoiding subpixel adjustments", and depending on how bad your alignment is, it might not work out as well I'm guessing.

See with my set up hdmi is direct to PJ, but my problem could be also that I'm using 1 htpc to drive 2 tv's ( hdmi splitter) and PJ with DVI (clone as main display- tv's), than second card feed direct hdmi to PJ for 3D playback. So, some times I do shift programs between screens, which could mess with the driver. Also I think problems did increased since I did reload win 7 because i did upgrade to bigger SSD and I did load new drivers. But which would be strange that my tv never have any problem with pic go black????? Also I'm not to sure if hdmi cable it self could not be the problem, before I had 50ft hdmi wich at least 5 or more times would go black pic per movie, only in 3D. Than I did changed to 30ft that problem was gone. But my and your problem are with 2D display so I think is more drivers. Hey which nvidia card do you have?

I have a GTX 680. I've tried swapping cables and that didn't do the trick so I would think it's down to some miscommunication between the GPU/AVR and the projector. I wondered if the 3D functionality of the Epson was screwing with things so disabled everything related to 3D on both the Epson and PC with no change, still seeing the same issues.

EDIT: And my path is GPU -> AVR -> PJ, nothing else in between. I'm thinking about picking up one of those HDMI Doctors I saw earlier in the thread to see if that would be a quick fix.
Edited by convexion - 2/2/13 at 9:15pm

I wonder if it isn't more on epson side. Because why any tv don't have any problems like that???? I'll bet if you would connect to tv you wouldn't have any problems also. My tv's are not 3D but we are talking still about regular signal. I wonder why do you have problems with Mozilla since i do use it too and so far never a problem with it (we do watch sometimes YouTube and just browse net on PJ to).
I'm trying decide on this two cards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443
or cheaper:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500277
Are you using htpc only for PJ?
I'll try Monday ( my weekend ) to use PJ only on my htpc see if there will be any different than driving 3 displays.
Let me know if that "HDMI Doctors" work out.

I wound up buying the mount mentioned above. It does fit the 5020. It is sturdy but lacks good instructions. Nothing I could not figure out on my on though. I needed a mount that would work on a vaulted ceiling, which this one does. I did modify it slightly with some strategically placed lock washers to eliminate some extra wiggle it had. I'd say it's a good mount if you are handy. If not, a more expensive mount would definitely work better. For me, it works just fine.

It is best also to shift by full pixel increments(according to an Epson tech a full pixel shift takes 8 button clicks - so1 click of the up/down/left/right arrow = 0.125 pixels). Also focus attention on the square corner in which the small square is located when adjusting. As long as you do it in full pixel increments don't worry about getting it perfect - you won't be able to see any results of "near enough" from your seating position. This worked for me anyway and left good sharpness and minimal white field impurity.

Also Igreis: I think if you turn the Alignment setting to OFF in the menu you lose the adjustment - I thought it needed to be left to ON, after adjustment.

I was having HDMI sync issues (apparently EDID handshake issues) where the screen would go black when I do various things
(eg: scrolling or selecting a folder in windows explorer, pop-up windows, certain websites, etc). I searched the web and found that
this is a problem especially for ATI cards. After further research I found it was not due to HDCP (cause PC doesn't really use that)
but it's an EDID issue. I tried 2 other PC's (one with Nvidia and other is a Lenovo Laptop with an intel chipset) and no issues. I read
some people with Nvidia also have this issue. Lots of the complaints were from folks with projectors (likely because of the length of
the HDMI cable... not sure).

Anyhow, I bought this an it totally fixed my issue! Really made my day when it arrived:
http://www.vidabox.com/products_dr_doctor_hdmi.php
(Dr. HDMI)

OK i have tried the LCD alignment and the results are very good, not a perfect convergence but very good compared with what it had. Now i do see some color artifacts that i dont like and the sharpness didnt improved after the alignment and it should! So, the digital alignment dont resolve the fisicaly misalignement, and i have also a discrete focus problem in the center of the screen, it doesnt focus like the sides. For he money i spend with it, and the almost perfect alignement that i had with the 8350, its a no good, and i hope Epson realize that they must respect more there customers with a good Quality Control of the flagship models!

No, I still have the issue. I took my DVDO Duo out of the loop and it helped some (less frequent jerkyness), but it is still not watchable. I haven't tried it with my receiver out of the loop yet.
I am using a 30ft HDMI cable with Redmere chip.

Hi folks,

I am in the middle of building a projection system, and based on seeing a friend's Epson 8350 I had decided that was a good choice for me. I went so far as to get a mount up and test it with his unit to make sure that did the math right and I could get a good 135" image.

I'm now curious if the 5020UB might be a good choice too. I like the idea of buying a projector once and not upgrading to 3d in a year or two.

If anyone can compare the 2d image quality of the two models, that would be much appreciated. If my room setup is not conducive to the 5020, that would also be good to know--though it seems like I should be OK based on the Projector Central calculator and my experience with the 8350 which also has horizontal and vertical lens shift.

Oh, FWIW will have a 50 ft HDMI cable in the wall--the Monoprice Redmere model.

Lens to screen distance: about 14' 5"

Projector drop from ceiling: about 4" (OmniMount: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002VJOUMW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00)

Projector mount is centered horizontally on screen

Ambient light: very low, can be off

Screen size: 135" (Antra ebay special)

Screen gain: 1.1


Edited by horseflesh - 2/3/13 at 7:26pm

Just ordered a 5020 to upgrade from my sanyo plv-z2. Hoping for big shock value!

I am using a 20 ft HDMI cable from OSD, their v1.4 premium line. I can't imagine it would be the cable. I have the problem regardless of what source I use, i.e. Oppo 103, PS3, Cable STB, Directv, Apple TV, etc. I have all my source devices feeding via HDMI cable into a Denon AVR-3313ci, and a single HDMI out to the projector.

Can it be something wrong with the projector? I do like the frame interpolation in some situations, and quite dissapointed it does not work correctly!
Edited by postcorner - 2/3/13 at 1:53pm

That's interesting, thanks for the info. I went back and did some more testing. I found that with increments of 8 I can see color artifacts...for example, look at the resolution patterns on the AVS HD 709 disc. With increments of 8, I can see large circular areas that have a blue tint on many of the resolution patterns. Using an increment of 10, these color artifacts disappear. I think I'll stick with 10...works better for me.

Glad it (sort of) worked for you. What color artifacts were you seeing?

If we puch to much the red we see some blue tinge, if we puch too much the blue we see yellow tinge. After some rechearch and a lot of testing, we cant have perfect convergence ever without loose sharpness, unless the perfect convergence comes from factory and thats what we all want right?
To have the less loose of sharpness wen using the Digital lcd Aligment we do really have to use increments of 8 because 8 equals a single pixel, 1 equals 0.125 pixel. If we dont use increments of 8 the pixels are spllited and the picture became blured and loose sharpness. also we have to only align the corners and using the same increments on all 4 corners. For ex. i align red and blue using 8 on H on the four corners, the diference are very good and the misconvergence became like 1/2 pixel in the corners and almost perfect in the center. From seeting posicion now i dont see the misconvergence, only at 7 feet from a 120`screen. The focus uniformity are very good, only a little less in the center but now after the alignment become very good, and the white uniformity are very good also.
Now the picture are way better compared with the 8350 that i had, better sharpness, color and black level. In 2d the picture are really awesome and the 3d is like i never see before, simply gorgeous, like a window to another Universe, Imax Under the Sea in 3d is a must see. I realy have to burn some more hour lamp to see if the convergence gets worse and if it does, ill contact epson to exchange for another one.
Edited by lgreis - 2/6/13 at 2:22am

Hi gang, Just got my 5020UB and want to post a good report. Convergence is very good with no need for any adjustment that I can see. I used the panel alignment feature and it showed that all the lines were white and no colors on the sides of any lines. I think I got lucky with this one seeing how many in the forum have had convergence issues. I also used the THX Logo feature in the Star Wars movie to adjust sharpness, brightness and contrast, along with an old Video Essentials for gray scale. I'm very happy with this projector and do agree that it is extremely bright for my fully dark room. 3D is astounding! 3D is not dead in this household. As far as the 2D/3D conversion, it doesn't impress at all and probably won't ever be using it. Only one complaint. My old Sanyo PLV-Z4 excelled at sharpness in the 2D realm and the Epson can't touch it. But, the Epson is a different PJ with so many advantages to offset just one quirk I have. I can easily get used to a smoother picture in 2D (I have AT&T U-Verse) , I love the brightness across the board and think 3D is fantastic! So, for what it's worth, this is a happy customer to help balance out some of the bad stuff folks have experienced. Also, what I had originally ordered was a UBe, but Epson can't get the supplier parts for the wireless til the end of February. i changed my order 5 days ago to the UB and my projector arrived three days later! One interesting thing about this PJ is that the images on the Sony Blue Ray like Netflix is actually sharper than TV, almost as good a a very good DVD. Of the movies I thought were the best in 3D are Avatar, Hugo, Grand Canyun (Robert Redford). Titanic was very good in some scenes, but had a "wavy" texture to some of the other scenes (no pun intended) Also, the 5020UB and e are not yet entered into the Logitec Harmony remote database.

It came up when I searched for it. Make sure you update your Harmony SW, then search for 5020.

"As far as the 2D/3D conversion, it doesn't impress at all and probably won't ever be using it."
Agree with this, I'd never seen it before I got a 5020,and I found all it did was sort of pull out the bottom of the picture, just terrible!
HOWEVER, the OPPO 103's conversion is a bit more effective, trying to find some edges and making various parts of the image recede.

Still, it's at best a gimmick as far as I'm concerned.

S A M 33

Are dust blobs still an issue with this model like the 8350? I'm looking to upgrade but hate to think I will still have to deal with random dust blobs.

Dust blobs are not an issue with this projector. I believe the reason is because it has a sealed light path. The 8350 does not have a sealed light path.

If I not mistaken the Epson's have non-sealed light path and that's why they use a air filter to catch dust.

Someone must be having this same problem with frame interpolation??!! As stated above, even on 'low' setting the picture is not really watchable as you get skips, jerkyness, etc. Anyone know how to fix this?? Thanks!!

Hello All,

The picture on my 5020 seems fine, but why would I not try to get it even better, right?? I have not performed any calibration whatsoever. I figured let me try the LCD Alignement. However when I try changing the settings I don't see much happening on the screen??!! Are the boxes in the corner supposed to move? I do see some subtle color changes on the edges of the white lines. What's up with this 'Alignment' feature??

Thanks!

I also have bad lip sync issues when watching 1080p/24 blu-ray using a PS3.
Did u find a fix for this?

I have a quick question regarding placement. Mine is ceiling mounted and I have the option of placing it pretty much anywhere i want.
to acheive the best lumen output to my 140" screen do I want it as close as possible while being able to zoom out to acheive my 140"

or do i want it somewhere in the middle of the zoom and further back?