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post #391 of 1271
I didn't think these were ir, my mistake. Thanks for the tip any other choices when it comes to glasses for the 5020? Is everyone enjoying their projector? Thinking of pairing it with a high contrast grey Dalite cinevision contour screen, 100 or 106.
post #392 of 1271
ir won't work. If you think they will you bought a 5010. Good luck with that.
post #393 of 1271
No it's a 5020, I didn't realize the 4100's were rf.
post #394 of 1271
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Originally Posted by jrod9707 View Post

Is everyone enjoying their projector? Thinking of pairing it with a high contrast grey Dalite cinevision contour screen, 100 or 106.

I have the Da-Lite Electric Contour 106" screen in the standard 1.0 matte white and it is fine. I too was not sure about gain but when I read about how bright this pj was, I figured I didn't need the higher contrast and gain. However, some recommend the higher gain for 3D due to the obvious decrease in light when in 3D mode. But, my understanding is that if you increase gain for 3D you will sacrifice some 2D picture quality and I watch mostly 2D right now. Also, my screen sits right between some corner windows facing south so watching it in the daytime is a problem until I get some room darkening blinds. So, I should be able to control the light in the room at some point so I don't really see the need for a higher gain screen unless I watch a lot of 3D in the future. If you cannot control the light (skylights, open floor plan, etc..) and/or you watch a lot of 3D, then you might consider something with higher gain. Just my 2 cents.
post #395 of 1271
Thanks for the info willy. The grey screen is 1.1 and it will be on the second floor game room which has big windows that ill need to get darkening blinds. I was also thinking of getting the 65 inch panasonic plasma gt because we are renting the house and I don't want to have to take the screen down and the projector mount down when the time comes to move. Curious as to how the projector compares to a plasma tv?
post #396 of 1271
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Originally Posted by jrod9707 View Post

Curious as to how the projector compares to a plasma tv?

Well, the pj isn't as sharp a picture compared to my 59" Samsung plasma but it is pretty close in all other respects (black, color, etc..). The pj is brighter like most lcd's are compared to plasma but there is a lot to be said for having a BIG screen. But it really depends on the source. Some blurays look just as good but cable and some sporting events don't seem to have the same pop. I haven't calibrated the pj yet as I am waiting to put some hours on it first.
post #397 of 1271
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Originally Posted by jrod9707 View Post

Thanks for the info willy. The grey screen is 1.1 and it will be on the second floor game room which has big windows that ill need to get darkening blinds. I was also thinking of getting the 65 inch panasonic plasma gt because we are renting the house and I don't want to have to take the screen down and the projector mount down when the time comes to move. Curious as to how the projector compares to a plasma tv?

Sounds like you should get the Plasma. There really is just no comparison between the 2 in a bright room, I wouldn't put my projector upstairs in my family room. In the basement where I've got it there's a 2' x 4' window and you can tell when it's open durning the day. Plus if you're just renting it seems like a hassle to move everything.
post #398 of 1271
^^

Yeah, last night I was watching The Masters and there was a big difference in pq as the sun went down outside my house.smile.gif After dark, and the room was totally black, the pq was as good as my plasma - my wife could not tell any difference and she is a nit picker when it comes to facial definition and stuff like that. The detail and contrast definitely improves dramatically in a totally darkened room (absolute black). It was watchable in a dim room or with some light but to get the best picture, the room must be dark. At least, with my screen and setup anyway.

We are really liking the Epson! Having the WAF meter pegged helps too.wink.gif
post #399 of 1271
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

^^

Yeah, last night I was watching The Masters and there was a big difference in pq as the sun went down outside my house.smile.gif After dark, and the room was totally black, the pq was as good as my plasma - my wife could not tell any difference and she is a nit picker when it comes to facial definition and stuff like that. The detail and contrast definitely improves dramatically in a totally darkened room (absolute black). It was watchable in a dim room or with some light but to get the best picture, the room must be dark. At least, with my screen and setup anyway.

We are really liking the Epson! Having the WAF meter pegged helps too.wink.gif
this projector was made for a dedicated HT room.
post #400 of 1271
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

this projector was made for a dedicated HT room.

It's not the projector...it's that projectors don't do very well with lots of ambient light. Very high gain screens can help, but you are seeing the difference between reflected light and a light source.
post #401 of 1271
First post in the AVS forums and I'm super excited about the order I just placed for a 5020UBe and a Da-Lite High Power fixed frame cinema countour 100" screen. This is my third projector over the last six years. I work in visual effects for film and have worked on over six 3D films now including 3D conversion so I'm very picky about picture quality and the look of 3D. I spend a lot of time with high end plasmas and projectors in studio screening rooms. To be honest I'll probably rarely ever watch 3D on this thing, I'm mainly excited for the brightness.

I'm hoping the projector and screen combo aren't too bright and end up flashing the blacks or affecting color when combined but this will be my main way of watching tv as well as movies in my living room which gets a decent amount of light during the day. I've always loved home projection for movies at night but I've never been able to watch tv during the day without blacking out the room and I've always wanted to host our annual superbowl party. I'm a little nervous about the off axis viewing of the screen but it seems that with the brightness that the combo provide the off axis viewing will provide plenty of light (and much brighter than I'm used to).

Looking forward to getting it set up and breaking it in. Thanks for all the info
post #402 of 1271
fxdude,

Welcome to AVS
post #403 of 1271
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Well, the pj isn't as sharp a picture compared to my 59" Samsung plasma but it is pretty close in all other respects (black, color, etc..). The pj is brighter like most lcd's are compared to plasma but there is a lot to be said for having a BIG screen. But it really depends on the source. Some blurays look just as good but cable and some sporting events don't seem to have the same pop. I haven't calibrated the pj yet as I am waiting to put some hours on it first.

Could it be the source on a tv is 1080i vs 1080p from bluray? Can you even tell the difference between them? To me they both look equally good.
post #404 of 1271
^^

Could be, I only have about 35 hours on it so far so I am only giving my "first blush" impression. Since the picture is 106", what I am probably seeing is just the variation in sources magnified. The variation was probably there with the plasma, just not as noticeable. Like lip sync issues on a 24" analog TV compared to HD on a big screen - it just is more obvious.
post #405 of 1271
I just received a 5020ub projector from onecall.com. The original box tape has been cut and new tape put over the original. Onecall says all their stock is the same way and that it came from Epson that way. I tried to call Epson to see if they could tell if it was either registered, a refurb or if they could verify that they send them out in that condition. The first person said they do not send any new products out that have reseal on them. They referred me to the projector support phone number. I was too late to speak directly with customer service, but the person I was speaking with said he could not verify if the serial number was a refurb or not.

My last projector was a 'new' optoma hd20 that was re-taped as well, but the tape had optoma name on it. I was assured this was the factory updating the firmware and that is was new. I didn't question it because of the optoma tape (although it could have been faked).

Anybody else have any experience relating to a new epson 5020ub sold as new with a second tape seal? Or purchasing through onecall.com?
post #406 of 1271
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Originally Posted by cenright View Post

I just received a 5020ub projector from onecall.com. The original box tape has been cut and new tape put over the original. Onecall says all their stock is the same way and that it came from Epson that way. I tried to call Epson to see if they could tell if it was either registered, a refurb or if they could verify that they send them out in that condition. The first person said they do not send any new products out that have reseal on them. They referred me to the projector support phone number. I was too late to speak directly with customer service, but the person I was speaking with said he could not verify if the serial number was a refurb or not.

My last projector was a 'new' optoma hd20 that was re-taped as well, but the tape had optoma name on it. I was assured this was the factory updating the firmware and that is was new. I didn't question it because of the optoma tape (although it could have been faked).

Anybody else have any experience relating to a new epson 5020ub sold as new with a second tape seal? Or purchasing through onecall.com?
i purchased mine at onecall.com and mine was sealed with original factory seal
post #407 of 1271
always always always buy from a reputable place. I know it means everything to save a few bucks, but at the end of the day is it worth possible NOT getting a new unit? Or worse a unit that epson wont warranty? Always check to see that the place your getting your gear from is authorized to sell that gear, if not you might as well be buying from ebay
post #408 of 1271
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Originally Posted by cenright View Post

I just received a 5020ub projector from onecall.com. The original box tape has been cut and new tape put over the original. Onecall says all their stock is the same way and that it came from Epson that way. I tried to call Epson to see if they could tell if it was either registered, a refurb or if they could verify that they send them out in that condition. The first person said they do not send any new products out that have reseal on them. They referred me to the projector support phone number. I was too late to speak directly with customer service, but the person I was speaking with said he could not verify if the serial number was a refurb or not.

My last projector was a 'new' optoma hd20 that was re-taped as well, but the tape had optoma name on it. I was assured this was the factory updating the firmware and that is was new. I didn't question it because of the optoma tape (although it could have been faked).

Anybody else have any experience relating to a new epson 5020ub sold as new with a second tape seal? Or purchasing through onecall.com?

I purchased mine from OneCall as well and it was sealed properly and was double boxed to boot. It was shipped Fedex Ground and arrived in excellent shape.

This was my 2nd major purchase from OneCall and I have been pleased with their shipping, service and support. Having said that though, I would have purchased from Amazon but their price was about $300 higher than OneCall's.
post #409 of 1271
Hi everyone,

I have the 5020 coming any day now, and I'm still struggling with where exactly to mount it. My current thinking is to put it on a shelf on my back wall, which is 16' 6" away from the wall. I can only do a 92" screen on that wall. I know the Espon manual and the projector calculator I found online say that this is within the range, but I wanted to get some more opinions. Will that amount of zoom that I have to do affect the picture any? For a 92" screen, is 16' 6" too far a projection distance?

Thanks,

Chris
post #410 of 1271
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

Hi everyone,

I have the 5020 coming any day now, and I'm still struggling with where exactly to mount it. My current thinking is to put it on a shelf on my back wall, which is 16' 6" away from the wall. I can only do a 92" screen on that wall. I know the Espon manual and the projector calculator I found online say that this is within the range, but I wanted to get some more opinions. Will that amount of zoom that I have to do affect the picture any? For a 92" screen, is 16' 6" too far a projection distance?

Thanks,

Chris


It will matter but how much will depend on how much ambient light or room control u have. I would go by the calculator. Your going to be back twice as far as u have to be. I would imagine it will be noticeable but still definitely doable. Its a light canon so u will be OK for sure. I like using THX mode which has the best contrast picture and color. I'm back 9.5 feet and I can watch TV no problem lights on in a fully off white room on a 90" screen. With double distance u might have to use living room mode to do the same which I'm sure u could calibrate to look as good as THX. Honestly I'd say test it out. U will simply need to make adjustments based on distance. One other thing is the distance is more likely to effect 3d viewing brightness than anything.
post #411 of 1271
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Originally Posted by igetittera View Post

I beleave it to be a resolution problem,caused by your video card. And the crappy video quality coming from some web sites. Or multiple pop-ups and side bars,seem to confuse the projector as to what exactly its supposed to use. My PC tells me when its having a problem,usually with a resolution message. Try lowering your resolution,

Unfortunately resolution doesn't seem to be the issue, lowering the resolution changes nothing as far as the PJ blanking out browsing web sites goes.

Maybe those of us suffering from this issue should make a list of the basic hardware/OS in our systems for comparison. Here's mine:

CPU: Intel i5-2400
MB: ASUS P8Z68-V LX
RAM: GSkill F3-12800CL9-4GBRL 8GB RAM
GPU: Gigabyte Windforce GTX 680 (Using HDMI audio)
SDD: Crucial M4 64 GB O/S drive
PSU: Corsair 650 W PSU
O/S: Windows 8 Pro
Edited by convexion - 4/14/13 at 9:27am
post #412 of 1271
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Originally Posted by Evolvo View Post

It will matter but how much will depend on how much ambient light or room control u have. I would go by the calculator. Your going to be back twice as far as u have to be. I would imagine it will be noticeable but still definitely doable. Its a light canon so u will be OK for sure. I like using THX mode which has the best contrast picture and color. I'm back 9.5 feet and I can watch TV no problem lights on in a fully off white room on a 90" screen. With double distance u might have to use living room mode to do the same which I'm sure u could calibrate to look as good as THX. Honestly I'd say test it out. U will simply need to make adjustments based on distance. One other thing is the distance is more likely to effect 3d viewing brightness than anything.

Thanks for the response. Yeah, I'm gonna try various positions in the room, but I'll have to hold it manually before I start drilling holes in the ceiling or wall; hopefully, I can ascertain how good it will look while I'm holding it over my head. smile.gif

One thing I'm still not sure about...if I'm 16' 6" away but only doing a 92" screen, aren't I zooming in so much that I'm focusing all the light in a smaller-than-usual space? I would think that would make things actually brighter.

I don't know a ton about projectors (this is my first), so I'm still learning. The epson calculator does say that 92" screen is doable with 16' 6" throw distance. Hopefully, it'll be OK.

Chris
post #413 of 1271
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post


aren't I zooming in so much that I'm focusing all the light in a smaller-than-usual space? I would think that would make things actually brighter.

I'm not tech savvy enough to answer that one but I'll try. I think you do focus more light but the offset of moving it back further and having to have the light travel further is not enough that the image won't dim. If I focus my projector down to 50" it's as bright as a TV and looks amazing so it does appear to focus more light. As far a s"holding it over your head" why not just sit it on a table to test it out, lol. Someone may chime in about the projector distance who has more knowledge but I think the projector calculator will give you more accurate info than anyone will be able to do. It tells you exactly how bright the projector will be proportionately to the distance you move it.
post #414 of 1271
I haven't had a chance to chime in on what I think about this projector. This thing is a black hole light canon. I previously owned the 3010 and this thing is a whole lot better in every way imaginable. The black levels are better, the color pops more, and the 3D is insanely improved. As far as my setup I'm projecting on a white blackout cloth stapled to the wall and it's got wrinkles in some places. The room is full off white and I've got major wall reflections so I haven't really even got a chance to see what the full scope of blacks can be. So take my review with a grain of salt until I get into my new home and put this baby into my dedicated theater.

Blacks
The 3010 looked muddy and watching dark scenes was hard to do, especially with ambient like. The 5020 is plasma like and their aren't any scenes I've watched so far that I could see what was going on or all the detail. 3D Black levels are amazing, I think they look better than 2D, I think the tinted glasses help with this. If you want a projector that looks like a TV then you have to get a projector with good black levels and this one by all accounts is the best under 3k.

Color

This thing pops and it's likely due to the great blacks. Every color is so much more distinguished than the 3010. In THX mode everything seems to look lifelike and real and as it was meant to be viewed. The 3010 had a faker feel to it.

3D

Wow! OMG! I never liked watching 3D on the 3010 it was too dark and there was major crosstalk. In fact I never even knew what crosstalk was until I starting researching the 5020 and realized those doubled edges were not suppose to exist in 3D. Me an my wife just thought that is how 3D looked, that it had extra ghosting images because the eyes just couldn't make it look as one image. Boy were we wrong. This bad boy looks completely different in 3D. Me and my wife can't get enough 3D whereas before we only watched like 2 movies the whole year I had the 3010. In just a few weeks of ownership we have watch 2 and it's our new favorite thing to do. There is no crosstalk or ghosting or whatever else I didn't realize there was a word for, just a purely clear image that sticks out at you. Also you can control deptth and screen size unlike the 3010 which makes a huge difference in being able to get the effect you desire. The 2D to 3D conversion feature is awesome for sports. Watching the masters gives a little more pop to the greens. It's amazing the projector can do this. It does it quite well too. I think it works better for sports than it does for moves. There is a little more crosstalk but still less than the 3010.

Problems

I feel like there maybe convergence issues as the LCD panels are off a pixel or so on some corners of the screen and even after adjustments there seems to be some issues on the edge of white wording when really close to the screen. My projector is using lens shift to the max and this may have something to do with it though but I'm not sure. Some people report issues with focus. I think the image can look a little soft at times with 720P Dish content, but 1080P blu ray content definitely looks great.

I can't wait to get this in the dedicated setup I think most of the problems or concerns I have will be remedied.
post #415 of 1271
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Originally Posted by Evolvo View Post

I'm not tech savvy enough to answer that one but I'll try. I think you do focus more light but the offset of moving it back further and having to have the light travel further is not enough that the image won't dim. If I focus my projector down to 50" it's as bright as a TV and looks amazing so it does appear to focus more light. As far a s"holding it over your head" why not just sit it on a table to test it out, lol. Someone may chime in about the projector distance who has more knowledge but I think the projector calculator will give you more accurate info than anyone will be able to do. It tells you exactly how bright the projector will be proportionately to the distance you move it.

I plan on mounting it on a back wall and up 7 feet...I don't have a table that high. wink.gif
post #416 of 1271
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

I plan on mounting it on a back wall and up 7 feet...I don't have a table that high. wink.gif


Lol, have u owned a projector before I think ur confused of the setup. Whether its sitting on a table or 7 feet high the distance from the screen is the same it just simply flips the image so both emulate the exact same brightness distance and picture. U can hold it above your head if it makes u feel better but that wouldnt make sense when u can put on a table or chair and be able to perform test with a stationary projector. I wouldn't dare try what your talking about. shaky arms and hands not being able to focus. I'm almost cracking up laughing thinking about it, Lol. Don't u dare. Just set it on a table or something about 2' high and u should be fine.
Edited by Evolvo - 4/14/13 at 4:30pm
post #417 of 1271
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Originally Posted by Evolvo View Post

I haven't had a chance to chime in on what I think about this projector. This thing is a black hole light canon. I previously owned the 3010 and this thing is a whole lot better in every way imaginable. The black levels are better, the color pops more, and the 3D is insanely improved. As far as my setup I'm projecting on a white blackout cloth stapled to the wall and it's got wrinkles in some places. The room is full off white and I've got major wall reflections so I haven't really even got a chance to see what the full scope of blacks can be. So take my review with a grain of salt until I get into my new home and put this baby into my dedicated theater.

Blacks
The 3010 looked muddy and watching dark scenes was hard to do, especially with ambient like. The 5020 is plasma like and their aren't any scenes I've watched so far that I could see what was going on or all the detail. 3D Black levels are amazing, I think they look better than 2D, I think the tinted glasses help with this. If you want a projector that looks like a TV then you have to get a projector with good black levels and this one by all accounts is the best under 3k.

Color

This thing pops and it's likely due to the great blacks. Every color is so much more distinguished than the 3010. In THX mode everything seems to look lifelike and real and as it was meant to be viewed. The 3010 had a faker feel to it.

3D

Wow! OMG! I never liked watching 3D on the 3010 it was too dark and there was major crosstalk. In fact I never even knew what crosstalk was until I starting researching the 5020 and realized those doubled edges were not suppose to exist in 3D. Me an my wife just thought that is how 3D looked, that it had extra ghosting images because the eyes just couldn't make it ........

I can't wait to get this in the dedicated setup I think most of the problems or concerns I have will be remedied.

Glad your enjoyin the improvement, but your not done yet.... You need to get it Darbeeized. Nice improvement on my 6010. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/5880#post_23201388
post #418 of 1271
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

I plan on mounting it on a back wall and up 7 feet...I don't have a table that high. wink.gif

This calc is pretty good to use to observe brightness differences. http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
post #419 of 1271
I'll be ordering my Epson 6020 in about two weeks.

Is the Darbee really worth it? How much should I expect to pay for one?
post #420 of 1271
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

I'll be ordering my Epson 6020 in about two weeks.

Is the Darbee really worth it? How much should I expect to pay for one?

I'd say less than about 1 in 50 people posted they weren't happy with the improvement vs price, but if you look into the thread you'll see most think it's pretty good bang for the buck. No need to apply if your a "purist" type. I think some can be found as open box for around $250, AVS here might have one, so check. I think new around $340 ish.
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