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I try to log on and contact support. My password doesn't work. I click on the forgot password button and they are supossed to email me a password. I get an email with an internet link. I click on the link and it doesn't work. I have to try and call.
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Epson 3D RF Glasses: Another Option

Recently, I became aware of a new brand of rechargeable 3D glasses. Dimensional Optics (DO) is offering a variety of glasses, but they have not tested them with Epson products. Because DO states that their glasses are compatible with Samsung and I read that Epson users have found Samsung glasses compatible with Epson products…it seems that DO should be compatible with Epson. Do you remember in Algebra, the Transitive Property of Equality? It states that if a = b and b = c, then a = c.
So I decided to contact DO about testing their glasses with my Epson 6020 projector. The President/CEO of DO, Steve McArthur, contacted me and expressed a desire to have me test their glasses and sent me two different models.

Valueview Glasses (About $25)

3Active Glasses (About $50)

Both are for sale at Amazon.com, Ebay.com and Dimensionoptics.com. I have not seen them for sale anywhere else.

I’ve seen lots of Epson owners asking about less expensive options with 3D glasses. I was fairly excited to have this opportunity to try these out for the first time with my Epson 6020 RF projector.


Here is what Mr. McArthur had to say about these 3D glasses.

“First, our new ValueView™ low-cost 3D products work with Samsung, Panasonic and Sharp RF televisions. In effect, they are essentially the same product and have identical internal circuitry and chipsets. The chipsets have been programmed for all three brands – we have not tested them, however, with any Epson 3D projector products. So, we’ll ship you one of those.”

“ValueView™ is our practical quality product line. ValueView is intended to compete directly with the low-cost, non-rechargeable, cheaply constructed, 3D glasses currently produced by Samsung (SSG-5100GB and SSG-4100GB) that retail for $19.99.”

“As an example, ValueView is fully rechargeable and comes with a storage pouch and USB charging cable. The LCD lenses and associated functionality has been engineered to be better than what Samsung is providing to the consumer. We sell our rechargeable glasses for the same price that they sell their battery powered products. “

“3ACTIVE® is our premium quality product line. The product is rechargeable, full framed, and includes premium LCD lenses, upgraded internal components, a protective storage case, microfiber cleaning cloth and USB charging cable.”

“Both products will auto-sleep upon losing an RF signal.”

“We have programmed the internal chipsets with multiple frequencies such that the devices will operate with multiple brands of 3D televisions. We market the glasses, however, as brand-specific.”





Here are my opinions on my Epson 3D glasses, the Valueview and the 3Active glasses.


Testing: Epson 3D Glasses (Model V12H548006)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)





Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: Yes

Ease of linking: 4. Turn power switch on. Press linking button. I rated this with a 4 because of the extra step of turning the power switch to the on position.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 4. These are a medium weighted pair of glasses. I do not believe they are too heavy.

Comfort: 4. These feel light and comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Rating of 4 due to the slightly heavier feel. Glasses arm pressure to head is perfect.

Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: Medium amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 5

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 5

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): None

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: None were included with my Epson 6020. Includes charging cable.

Price: High. $99

Comments: These glasses are very nice. They feel comfortable on my nose and the pressure on my head is minimal. You need to remember to shut the on/off switch off. Priced very high in my opinion.





Testing: Dimensional Optics 3D Glasses (Model Valueview)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)






Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: No, but will automatically shut down when it does not sense an RF signal.

Ease of linking: 5. Press linking button.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 5. These a super light!

Comfort: 5. These feel light and comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Rating of 5 due to being the lightest glasses I’ve tried so far. Glasses arm pressure to head is perfect.

Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: Zero amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 5

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 5

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): None

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: Soft leather-like squeeze pouch. Includes charging cable. Very basic but adequate.

Price: Very Low. About $25 on Ebay and Amazon




Testing: Dimensional Optics 3D Glasses (Model 3Active)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)





Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: No, but will automatically shut down when it does not sense an RF signal.

Ease of linking: 5. Press linking button.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 4. These feel sturdy but also a little heavy at the same time.

Comfort: 3. They are comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Glasses arm pressure to head is a little tight.


Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: High amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 4. Only minimally noticeable. I did not try and adjust my projector to correct this, since other glasses worked perfectly at the same settings.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 3. More noticeable while panning. I did not try and adjust my projector to correct this, since other glasses worked perfectly at the same settings.

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): Some but only slight. Most will not notice this.

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: Very sturdy cloth-like covered hard case. Very nice. Includes microfiber cleaning cloth and charging cable. The case has pockets for charging cable storage.

Price: Medium. About $50 on Ebay and Amazon



Summary:
The Epson glasses are very nice glasses. My biggest complaint is the price.
The 3Active glasses seem built very well. I’d say they feel sturdier than the Epson brand glasses. If you are concerned about kids being rough on your glasses, these may be your best choice. They perform well, but not absolutely perfectly.
The Valueview glasses are my preferred choice. They are very light and comfortable. They perform flawlessly with my Epson RF projector and the price point is amazing. At $25 per pair, being rechargeable and very comfortable to wear, I’ll be buying more of these.
Edited by JeffreyJonesBSME - 6/5/13 at 10:24am
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In case anyone missed this, AVS is showing this nice review on their homepage.
post #666 of 1270
Just got my 5020UB set up and posted some screen shots here http://www.avsforum.com/t/932169/black-diamond-from-screen-innovations/3210#post_23394693 on a Screen Innovations Black Diamond Zero Edge 1.4 gain 110" 16:9
post #667 of 1270
Does anyone now if you can adjust the Iris manually on this projector?
post #668 of 1270
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Just got my 5020UB set up and posted some screen shots here http://www.avsforum.com/t/932169/black-diamond-from-screen-innovations/3210#post_23394693 on a Screen Innovations Black Diamond Zero Edge 1.4 gain 110" 16:9

Wow, joined 10/2000, you must be one of our founding fathers.smile.gif Welcome to our cozy thread.
post #669 of 1270
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Does anyone now if you can adjust the Iris manually on this projector?

Don't think there is an option for that. It's basically off, or some degree of the "dynamic iris" being used. Normal uses more frames to determine the opening, High Speed adjusts the iris frame to frame which may be beneficial for games where the level of brightness can change more often, quickly.
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Don't think there is an option for that. It's basically off, or some degree of the "dynamic iris" being used. Normal uses more frames to determine the opening, High Speed adjusts the iris frame to frame which may be beneficial for games where the level of brightness can change more often, quickly.

I don't have that much knowledge when it comes to projectors, but isn't that a bit weird? Seems to me that its very limiting to only have two settings for how bright the light is (eco and normal), wouldn't it be better to have the ability to fine-tune it more, especially when the product already had a iris-function?
post #671 of 1270
Maybe the service menu lets you set the open and closed limits of the dynamic iris, which would let you effectively turn it into a manual iris. But I've never seen a link to the service manual, does anyone have it?
post #672 of 1270
When you do the LCD Panel alignment and line it up, to keep the changes
the Correct LCD Align has to remain ON

is this correct

Thanks C
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Testing: Dimensional Optics 3D Glasses (Model 3Active)
Scale: 1-5 (1 = poor, 5 = superior)





Did it link with Epson 6020 Projector: Yes

On/Off switch: No, but will automatically shut down when it does not sense an RF signal.

Ease of linking: 5. Press linking button.

Connection Quality (Tested around 23’ x 15’ theater): 5. Did not lose connection anywhere in the theater.

Connection Type: RF

Weight (by feel): 4. These feel sturdy but also a little heavy at the same time.

Comfort: 3. They are comfortable on the bridge of your nose. Glasses arm pressure to head is a little tight.


Color/Darkness of lenses: Slight tint. Normal for all 3D glasses.

Side shielding: High amount.
I found that in a light controlled environment, there is not a need for side shields. I did not test in a lighted environment.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (stationary): 4. Only minimally noticeable. I did not try and adjust my projector to correct this, since other glasses worked perfectly at the same settings.

Absence of Crosstalk/Ghosting (panning side to side): 3. More noticeable while panning. I did not try and adjust my projector to correct this, since other glasses worked perfectly at the same settings.

Color/Brightness change (panning side to side): Some but only slight. Most will not notice this.

Rechargeable: Yes

Battery life: Unknown at this time.

Included Case: Very sturdy cloth-like covered hard case. Very nice. Includes microfiber cleaning cloth and charging cable. The case has pockets for charging cable storage.

Price: Medium. About $50 on Ebay and Amazon



Summary:
The Epson glasses are very nice glasses. My biggest complaint is the price.
The 3Active glasses seem built very well. I’d say they feel sturdier than the Epson brand glasses. If you are concerned about kids being rough on your glasses, these may be your best choice. They perform well, but not absolutely perfectly.
The Valueview glasses are my preferred choice. They are very light and comfortable. They perform flawlessly with my Epson RF projector and the price point is amazing. At $25 per pair, being rechargeable and very comfortable to wear, I’ll be buying more of these.[/quote]

First off, thanks for posting that review! That was excellent!

I made a boo boo though. I had ordered the more expensive glasses from amazon and I must have ordered the panasonic instead of the Samsung. I kinda figured that they were the same bc they were both RF. I guess I should return these? What do u think? Are they any different than the panasonic?
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"First off, thanks for posting that review! That was excellent!

I made a boo boo though. I had ordered the more expensive glasses from amazon and I must have ordered the panasonic instead of the Samsung. I kinda figured that they were the same bc they were both RF. I guess I should return these? What do u think? Are they any different than the panasonic?"





If you are saying you ordered some RF 3Active glasses that were advertised to be for Panasonic, according to Mr. McArthur, they are identical to the one that is advertised for Samsung. They are supposed to have identical chipsets and are supposed to recognize different signals.

I looked at Amazon and the 3Active glasses adverstised for Panasonic and Samsung are both the same price...$49.95 and Amazon Prime eligible.
Be sure you are not looking at the IR version. They look the same.

Have you gotten your glasses yet?
Let us know what you think?
Edited by JeffreyJonesBSME - 6/6/13 at 5:27am
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I got the glasses and I like then looks and feel of them. I still haven't tried the 3D BC I'm waiting to get my oppo player. My preamp is an outlaw 990, that has DVI, so I have to run video direct from the oppo. Once I get that hooked up, I'll give it a work! I guess I'll keep the glasses.
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

"First off, thanks for posting that review! That was excellent!

I made a boo boo though. I had ordered the more expensive glasses from amazon and I must have ordered the panasonic instead of the Samsung. I kinda figured that they were the same bc they were both RF. I guess I should return these? What do u think? Are they any different than the panasonic?"





If you are saying you ordered some RF 3Active glasses that were advertised to be for Panasonic, according to Mr. McArthur, they are identical to the one that is advertised for Samsung. They are supposed to have identical chipsets and are supposed to recognize different signals.

I looked at Amazon and the 3Active glasses adverstised for Panasonic and Samsung are both the same price...$49.95 and Amazon Prime eligible.
Be sure you are not looking at the IR version. They look the same.

Have you gotten your glasses yet?
Let us know what you think?
On DO site the Samsung version is Bluetooth? Which is the serial number of the glasses that work with Epson RF VP?
post #678 of 1270
I owe 5020 owners an apology for ragging on the 3d performance. I ended up getting the Panny 8k and was equally dissatisfied with 3d. I finally got around to setting up a hard wired connection and it was vastly superior to the wireless hdmi I was using. Is there any good wireless hdmi solution out there?
post #679 of 1270
I bought the DVDO one (it should ne the same one of the Epson) but not yet tested with 3D materials. For 2D it´s excellent in the same room (no walls or doors between the source and VP)
post #680 of 1270
I agree. When it works it is excellent.
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I owe 5020 owners an apology for ragging on the 3d performance. I ended up getting the Panny 8k and was equally dissatisfied with 3d. I finally got around to setting up a hard wired connection and it was vastly superior to the wireless hdmi I was using.

Do you mean there would be a quality difference in 3d with Epson depending if you use its in-built wireless hd or plain hdmi??
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Do you mean there would be a quality difference in 3d with Epson depending if you use its in-built wireless hd or plain hdmi??

Yes, and dramatically so. At least with the ActionTec wireless I was using. It didn't seem to have the bandwidth to handle 3d. The motion was very choppy and would occasionally freeze. For 2d it worked fine when it worked, but it would lose connection at times and I would have to reboot both units to get it to sync up again.
post #683 of 1270
Ok, I actually have a European 6020 with WirelessHD in-built and haven't noticed any problems, apart from crosstalk/ghosting, which unfortunately will be the exact same with cable connection as well.
post #684 of 1270
I have very seldom seen any ghosting or crosstalk on my wired 5020.
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Originally Posted by lucadoc View Post

On DO site the Samsung version is Bluetooth? Which is the serial number of the glasses that work with Epson RF VP?

The Valueview and 3Active glasses that state Samsung are the right ones. I saw it said Bluetooth also. I guess Bluetooth is a type of RF.
post #686 of 1270
From what I understand the Value view and the 3Dactive RF glasses are both the same whether there advertised as panasonic or Samsung. I have 2 pairs of the 3dactive Panasonic and one pair of the value view on the way. I'll try them both out as soon as I finally get my Oppo BDP 103 and have 3d capability.
post #687 of 1270
I have to say, after having loads of problems with my 8700, I'm loving the 5020 so far. It's only been 2 weeks but I had problems with the 8700 after 5 ours! I'm loving the PQ! I can't wait to see what the 3D looks like.
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As of last night I am the proud owner of a 5020ube after reading this thread for about a week. I have a sanyo plv-z2000 (for sale-lol) and didnt think I needed anything more....WAS I EVER SOOOOOOO WRONG. The 2000 is wonderful in it self but for the price I got this I could not pass it up. I saw the post on craigslist which of course worried me. Emailed the guy and talked to him on the phone. What he was telling me was to good to be true. He stated he works for a production company in atlanta and they are moving back out west. The projector was 2 months old and was used twice. He stated the director producing for tv shows did not like previewing on a big screen so he got a plasma to do it. Last week he told me it would be monday before he could get in the room to get it down. So that gave me a week to research it.

The more I researched it the more excited I got. Figured it would give me time to change my mind but it didnt. I did talked to him several times and still just figured it was to good to be true. So I take off to atlanta last night after work(now I know why I dont live in town) . Man the longest hour drive just knowing it was to good to be true still.

Well I get there and walk in the meeting room and there it is, ceiling mount, box, paper work, glasses, remote and best off all a copy of the receipt from B&H that was bought on 4-4-2013. Of course the first question I asked was it registered.........NOPE yes score. Plugged it in and but a bluray on and was impressed just on the brick wall. No green bloobs. everything looked good. Paid him and boy I could not get home fast enough. Got home walked straight through the door took off my shoes and to the theater I went. I yell came down the stairs, "hey baby welcome home" Crap forgot to tell my wife hey as I walked through the kitchen......oops.

20min later, WOW. He told me it was only turned on twice, I know for reading on here that the bulb counter dont start counting til 10 hours, it was on 0. Nothing has been changed in settings at all. the only thing I had to do was zoom it in to my screen and adjust the horizontal lens shift. Picture was freaking perfect, didnt even after to adjust the focus. We sat there and watched part of transformers in amazement. I turned to her and said I m going to tweak it some, she told me dont touch it and screw it up cause the picture was that good. I will play with it some but good god its just so good like it is. looks like it was shipped in thx mode.

Sorry for the long post but after reading this long thread for so long wanted to share my experience. So for paying half for pretty much a new projector still with warranty since it wasnt registered I wold say I got a killer deal.
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Originally Posted by Mudcon View Post

As of last night I am the proud owner of a 5020ube after reading this thread for about a week. I have a sanyo plv-z2000 (for sale-lol) and didnt think I needed anything more....WAS I EVER SOOOOOOO WRONG. The 2000 is wonderful in it self but for the price I got this I could not pass it up. I saw the post on craigslist which of course worried me. Emailed the guy and talked to him on the phone. What he was telling me was to good to be true. He stated he works for a production company in atlanta and they are moving back out west. The projector was 2 months old and was used twice. He stated the director producing for tv shows did not like previewing on a big screen so he got a plasma to do it. Last week he told me it would be monday before he could get in the room to get it down. So that gave me a week to research it.

The more I researched it the more excited I got. Figured it would give me time to change my mind but it didnt. I did talked to him several times and still just figured it was to good to be true. So I take off to atlanta last night after work(now I know why I dont live in town) . Man the longest hour drive just knowing it was to good to be true still.

Well I get there and walk in the meeting room and there it is, ceiling mount, box, paper work, glasses, remote and best off all a copy of the receipt from B&H that was bought on 4-4-2013. Of course the first question I asked was it registered.........NOPE yes score. Plugged it in and but a bluray on and was impressed just on the brick wall. No green bloobs. everything looked good. Paid him and boy I could not get home fast enough. Got home walked straight through the door took off my shoes and to the theater I went. I yell came down the stairs, "hey baby welcome home" Crap forgot to tell my wife hey as I walked through the kitchen......oops.

20min later, WOW. He told me it was only turned on twice, I know for reading on here that the bulb counter dont start counting til 10 hours, it was on 0. Nothing has been changed in settings at all. the only thing I had to do was zoom it in to my screen and adjust the horizontal lens shift. Picture was freaking perfect, didnt even after to adjust the focus. We sat there and watched part of transformers in amazement. I turned to her and said I m going to tweak it some, she told me dont touch it and screw it up cause the picture was that good. I will play with it some but good god its just so good like it is. looks like it was shipped in thx mode.

Sorry for the long post but after reading this long thread for so long wanted to share my experience. So for paying half for pretty much a new projector still with warranty since it wasnt registered I wold say I got a killer deal.

Sounds like you got a great deal even though you had to deal with the Atlanta traffic. Those of us who live in the metro area buy projectors to mentally get away from the Atlanta traffic.biggrin.gif

I think you will like the pj. I am looking forward to watching mine quite a bit this weekend with US Open golf being on TV almost all day Thurs - Sun.
post #690 of 1270
Steve McArthur from DO kindly sent me a link to amazon.uk to by the valueview panasonic version.

I'm waiting for the delivery ;-) the next week
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