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post #31 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Have you tried playing the Hunger Games blu-ray? I'm not sure what other movies have playlist obfuscation. Presumably, like Cinavia, this sort of thing will increase over time.

I do recall having that problem. Also saw it in 'cabin in the woods'. Used TMT and AnyDVD in that instance.
post #32 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Have you tried playing the Hunger Games blu-ray? I'm not sure what other movies have playlist obfuscation. Presumably, like Cinavia, this sort of thing will increase over time.

I remember in 2009 when a whole host of DVDs (Star Trek is coming to mind) had that sort of playlist problem when ripped to video_ts. I was still using DVD Decrypter and WMP exclusively back then, and I remember the movie chapters being all over the place.

Do you think it's a problem with the rip/broken copy protection itself or with the software trying to play it?
post #33 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Have you tried playing the Hunger Games blu-ray? I'm not sure what other movies have playlist obfuscation. Presumably, like Cinavia, this sort of thing will increase over time.

Not yet, just got it a few days ago from NetFlix.
post #34 of 65
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post

I remember in 2009 when a whole host of DVDs (Star Trek is coming to mind) had that sort of playlist problem when ripped to video_ts. I was still using DVD Decrypter and WMP exclusively back then, and I remember the movie chapters being all over the place.
Do you think it's a problem with the rip/broken copy protection itself or with the software trying to play it?

Ugh, DVD's have this too? I thinks it's the player that's the problem. If you decrypt and rip the movie, and then play it back in TMT5 with menus, I'm assuming it would play correctly. I'm not certain though.
post #35 of 65
I just remember a few years back that DVD DRM seemed to leap forward. I'd been using the original DVD Decrypter and it didn't know how to properly read some of the newer discs. What it saved couldn't be properly played back in Windows Media Player, so the problem had to be at the CSS level and not the software (because discs themselves played fine).
post #36 of 65
I watched both Cabin in the Woods and Hunger Games in Nextpvr. I simply selected the proper mpls file. The same can be done with MPC
post #37 of 65
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

I watched both Cabin in the Woods and Hunger Games in Nextpvr. I simply selected the proper mpls file. The same can be done with MPC

Is that the playlist file? How did you know which one to select?
post #38 of 65
I didn't see this problem with Hunger Games. I'll have to watch it again and verify but maybe that is why I had trouble following the plot.. LOL!
post #39 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Using MPC-HC by itself for blu-rays is no longer a reliable solution. Some blu-rays now like The Hunger Games have a new form of copyright protection that messes with the playlist, making scenes play in a random order. The way around this is to use Anydvd's speedmenus, which requires a player that support HDMV menus like XBMC 12.0. Alternatively, a player can take advantage of the disc.inf file Anydvd creates in order select the correct playlist. JRiver can do this. AFAIK, MPC-HC can't do either of these things, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes MPC-HC can not pick the correct playlist itself on these Playlist Protected titles, as there is no logical way of it deciding which is correct.

XBMC with MPC-HC as its default external player can be made to read from the "disc.inf" file, this works well in my experience.

This Protection however should not cause any problems on commercial software players, like TMT5/PowerDVD.

A list of Screenpass Protected movies can be found here

The only easy way of knowing the correct playlist is to check AnyDVD HD status window. DVDFab may offer something similar I don't know.
post #40 of 65
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Originally Posted by acejh1987 View Post

Yes MPC-HC can not pick the correct playlist itself on these Playlist Protected titles, as there is no logical way of it deciding which is correct.
XBMC with MPC-HC as its default external player can be made to read from the "disc.inf" file, this works well in my experience.
This Protection however should not cause any problems on commercial software players, like TMT5/PowerDVD.
A list of Screenpass Protected movies can be found here
The only easy way of knowing the correct playlist is to check AnyDVD HD status window. DVDFab may offer something similar I don't know.

Thanks for the info! How do you get XBMC with MPC-HC to use the disc.inf file?
post #41 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Thanks for the info! How do you get XBMC with MPC-HC to use the disc.inf file?

If you already have MPC-HC setup as an external player, then you just need to edit the external player batch files that launch MPC-HC, these batch files will then first check for playlist info inside "disc.inf", if it exists then it will pass the correct playlist to MPC-HC.

If you want to try it let me know and will send you the batch files needed.
post #42 of 65
Its bizarre that the movie industry resorts to these tactics to make it difficult to play the disk you actually purchased. This actually encourages piracy!
post #43 of 65
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I didn't see this problem with Hunger Games. I'll have to watch it again and verify but maybe that is why I had trouble following the plot.. LOL!

Memento was all screwed up! ;-)
post #44 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Is that the playlist file? How did you know which one to select?
As acejh1987 said, the AnyDVD Status window. If multiple playlists are listed, you can use BDInfo to compare the playlist runtimes to the expected movie runtime.

On a side note, I've been working on adding non-java menu support to NextPVR. Still a work in progress but I'm getting there:


Edited by vladd - 1/8/13 at 10:15am
post #45 of 65
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Originally Posted by ljo000 View Post

Its bizarre that the movie industry resorts to these tactics to make it difficult to play the disk you actually purchased. This actually encourages piracy!

Agreed. I put a blu-ray player in my recent media PC build, cause it was on sale so I figured why not. I only own two blu-rays so far. I am using free open source VLC Player with a related key file. "Lord Of The Rings" plays fine and looks great. And it plays without the goofy menus and other stuff. But "Sound Of Music" will not play at all - gets some sort of DRM related error. The latter movie was a Christmas gift for my wife, so would like to get it working.

I think reading this thread should be enough to convince most persons not to go the PC route for blu-ray, unless they want to be screwing around getting it to work and having reliability issues. That said, since I already have a blu-ray drive in my PC, is there a free way to rip my two blu-rays to my hard drive, perhaps stripping out or de-activating the DRM, so I can play them? Maybe that will avoid me having to install/pay for special players and DRM decrypters, plus not knowing if a blu-ray will play or not?
post #46 of 65
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Originally Posted by indio22 View Post

Is there a free way to rip my two blu-rays to my hard drive, perhaps stripping out or de-activating the DRM, so I can play them?

If you just need the main movie and not bothered about menus/special features etc, try MakeMKV.
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Originally Posted by indio22 View Post

I think reading this thread should be enough to convince most persons not to go the PC route for blu-ray, unless they want to be screwing around getting it to work and having reliability issues.

If you have the correct software it works great, I have never had to screw around with anything or had any reliability issues, anybody who has hasn't tried the best solutions.

Could someone please start throwing out names of discs that they can't play on a PC at all with any software.
post #47 of 65
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Originally Posted by indio22 View Post

That said, since I already have a blu-ray drive in my PC, is there a free way to rip my two blu-rays to my hard drive, perhaps stripping out or de-activating the DRM, so I can play them? Maybe that will avoid me having to install/pay for special players and DRM decrypters, plus not knowing if a blu-ray will play or not?

Yes, makemkv. You will lose menus though.
post #48 of 65
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Originally Posted by acejh1987 View Post

If you just need the main movie and not bothered about menus/special features etc, try MakeMKV.

Thanks guys - I installed the MakeMKV application and went through a few tutorials (including a useful one by list member Assassin). Was able to create a .mkv file containing the full movie with soundtrack, and it plays fine using VLC Player. smile.gif
post #49 of 65
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Originally Posted by indio22 View Post

Thanks guys - I installed the MakeMKV application and went through a few tutorials (including a useful one by list member Assassin). Was able to create a .mkv file containing the full movie with soundtrack, and it plays fine using VLC Player. smile.gif

I don't consider it to be a solution if you can't play straight from disc. There's only so much hassle I want to go through to watch a movie.
post #50 of 65
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Originally Posted by Karyk View Post

I don't consider it to be a solution if you can't play straight from disc. There's only so much hassle I want to go through to watch a movie.

Pay for AnyDVD then. You can do that and skip the crapware, something you can't do with a dedicated player.
post #51 of 65
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Originally Posted by Karyk View Post

I don't consider it to be a solution if you can't play straight from disc. There's only so much hassle I want to go through to watch a movie.

It's really not that bad, if you install something like XBMC. I convert everything to MKV and play that way. Otherwise, I have to have multiple Bluray players on each computer. If you only use a single computer, then having that computer with a bluray player is OK.
post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by Ruiner View Post

Pay for AnyDVD then. You can do that and skip the crapware, something you can't do with a dedicated player.

Yes, that could be a solution, as could that Passkey program. I'm just saying that a solution that requires transferring an entire BR disc to hard disc isn't a solution for me.
post #53 of 65
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Originally Posted by acejh1987 View Post

I'm talking about bad rep for BD Playback regardless of what software is needed.
Dark_Slayer just mentioned free decrypting software that works.
A $100 standalone can not skip menus/trailers/warnings and playback the main movie in seconds and will not playback discs from all regions, if you have one that does all this then please post the model number, so I can purchase and test it.

Well for a hundred more you can get a SA 3D BD player like this one www.ebay.com/itm/TOSHIBA-BDX5300-2D-3D-Wi-Fi-Multi-All-Region-Code-Free-Blu-Ray-Player-100-240V-/330791740144?pt=DVD_Players_Recorders&hash=item4d04b962f0 region free and usually with skip function. Cost of 3D graphics card, blu ray drive, sw player is always going to cost way more than a SA player today. SW players get abandoned and are forced to upgrade. You have to pay for decryption keys either annually or lifetime which aint cheap. These days I don't even bother with ripping anymore due to Cinavia I just pop in the disc in my BDT-300 and just play it to watch. I barely even fire up the main PC these days it's just easier to pop the disc in a dedicated player with enhanced firmware and your good to go.
post #54 of 65
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Originally Posted by Nimo View Post

Well for a hundred more you can get a SA 3D BD player like this one www.ebay.com/itm/TOSHIBA-BDX5300-2D-3D-Wi-Fi-Multi-All-Region-Code-Free-Blu-Ray-Player-100-240V-/330791740144?pt=DVD_Players_Recorders&hash=item4d04b962f0 region free and usually with skip function. Cost of 3D graphics card, blu ray drive, sw player is always going to cost way more than a SA player today. SW players get abandoned and are forced to upgrade. You have to pay for decryption keys either annually or lifetime which aint cheap. These days I don't even bother with ripping anymore due to Cinavia I just pop in the disc in my BDT-300 and just play it to watch. I barely even fire up the main PC these days it's just easier to pop the disc in a dedicated player with enhanced firmware and your good to go.

The skip function is not the same as main movie playback in seconds.
A dedicated standalone player is fine, I'm not arguing that. I'm not arguing the cost either.
My argument is against people saying that PC is not good for BD playback, I'm saying with the right software it can be as good as a standalone and can be better in someways, for example main movie only playback is way better than any standalone you can buy.

Not bothering to rip anything because of Cinavia is silly, just use use a player without it, simple.
Like I said earlier name a disc that a PC can not play at all that your BDT-300 can.

Everyone was quick to jump in on how bad PC playback was, but I have not seen anything to backup these claims, other than twisting the argument into a Standalone is cheaper/better.
post #55 of 65
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Have you tried playing the Hunger Games blu-ray? I'm not sure what other movies have playlist obfuscation. Presumably, like Cinavia, this sort of thing will increase over time.

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Originally Posted by ncarty97 View Post

Not yet, just got it a few days ago from NetFlix.

I rolled back to version 146 of the TMT5 software and it fixed the MIB3 issue. Loaded up Hunger Games and had no issues with the menu (though I did not actually watch it). On the other hand, when I ripped Magic Mike, something got messed up on the menus and they don't work at all (can't move to the different options, etc.), had to extract the main title to MKV so my wife could watch it. She was not amused when I told her the HTPC was expressing its opinion that she didn't need to see the film!
post #56 of 65
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Originally Posted by acejh1987 View Post

... Everyone was quick to jump in on how bad PC playback was, but I have not seen anything to backup these claims, other than twisting the argument into a Standalone is cheaper/better.

Actually, I don't think everyone was jumping on how bad the PC is compared the stand alone player. I think quite a few felt that is cost is an issue, a stand alone player is most likely cheaper for decent playback versus adding the hardware and software needed to get BR playback.

The rest of it, I took as a cautionary warning that there may be issues encountered. There was also some discussion to some benefits of using PC and certain software over a stand alone box. If anything could be implied about negatively on the PC was that a stand alone will be easier and less troublesome to use.

Of course, if anyone uses a PC a regular basis, especially in the HTPC arena, expect to have problems, but work towards making it better and best experience possible.
post #57 of 65
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Originally Posted by lovekeiiy View Post

If anything could be implied about negatively on the PC was that a stand alone will be easier and less troublesome to use. .

My PC

Load disc in tray - let load - movie plays.

My PS3 and Panasonic Standalone

Load disc in tray - let load - movie plays.

I still don't understand what is so troublesome and hard about playing back on the PC once you install the software required, and as for getting the software setup, this can be done from scratch in 15 minutes to get BD working.

Cost is the only reason against PC playback that I can agree with, no other reason.
post #58 of 65
Once you get the PC configured and working, I agreee. But as we have all encountered with various programs on the PC, sometimes getting things setup and working is not always quick nor easy. That's what I was referring to about troublesome. I realize there are plenty of people who don't encounter issues, but there are some who do.

Setting up a stand alone player or PS3 is a lot easier. Connect cable to TV or AVR. Maybe do a firmware update; Sony does them quite a bit.

I'm not knocking blu ray playback on a PC. I was just commenting that one person seemed to feel everyone was bashing it and saying it wasn't nearly as good. I agree that playback on a PC is most likely on par. People were just trying to give a wary caution that getting there could be troublesome comparatively. And yes, most feel the cost is lower on for standalone, which unfortunately is probably major factor for most since we all can't be Warren Buffet.
post #59 of 65
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Originally Posted by Karyk View Post

I don't consider it to be a solution if you can't play straight from disc. There's only so much hassle I want to go through to watch a movie.

I agree, the MakeMKV approach copying the movie to a hard drive, is not a good solution for someone who wants to simply pop a blu-ray disk in the PC and watch. But for me it is actually a great solution, particularly as suggested by another commenter, because I can now easily distribute the movie to the other PCs and devices in my household, once the movie is on the hard drive. (Only one of my PCs has a blu-ray drive). Also I can put the blu-ray disks away for safe keeping so my kids don't mess them up. Isn't it odd, the DRM breaking application MakeMKV will actually cause me to purchase MORE blu-ray movies, now that I can be assured of playing them, and of having the convenience to easily watch the movies on any of my household devices. The movie industry is messed up in terms of their DRM model in my opinion.

In terms of playing blu-ray disks directly using a PC, while some folks are suggesting it is easy, I wonder why there are many threads and posts from persons having difficulties? Just to play the blu-ray disk I bought for my wife for Christmas, I had to spend time researching on the web, reading about the various approaches people are trying and the hurdles/downsides/expenses involved. Certainly playing a blu-ray on a PC is not easy as my experience playing a DVD. And forget about users such as my parents getting it sorted out on their own, lol. Seems easier to use a stand-alone blu-ray player, unless the user is good with tech and has the time/cash to get PC playback sorted out and maintained.
post #60 of 65
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Originally Posted by indio22 View Post

Isn't it odd, the DRM breaking application MakeMKV will actually cause me to purchase MORE blu-ray movies, now that I can be assured of playing them, and of having the convenience to easily watch the movies on any of my household devices. The movie industry is messed up in terms of their DRM model in my opinion.

Not much of a mistake if it's getting you to buy more movies! wink.gif

Seriously, someone else made a similar comment that I didn't understand at first. It was a bit ambiguous, but what I think they meant to say was that this DRM makes it more likely people will look for solutions, and those solutions may involve also being able to copy the movie to hard drive. But for the DRM, they'd have no reason to look to do that.
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