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post #211 of 883
Hey, MMichael. Space around the unit is definitely a factor in cooling. Most manufacturers have recommended minimums. My previous DVR (Directv) had only 1/8" feet. I got its temp to drop just by inserting a 3/4" block of wood under the corners. Another example, my cabinet came with a glass front. Despite the well vented back, it would get hot in there until I removed the glass door. Minimizing the heat buildup is well worthwhile.

As for my A820, like you, I'm loving it. Thanks to the Aventage threads here at AVS, we get lots of tips to better take advantage of it. The one button (Scene) control is a major convenience and I especially am a fan of the tablet AV Controller. I'm seldom without my tablet and the app allows me to manage the AVR from anywhere in my house and even from my outside shop. Getting music without walking into the LR is fantastic! And that trick to get the Main receiver audio out to Zone2 works fine (turn on Main and Zone 2, then mute Main). The A820 (and other Aventage models) are just amazingly versatile. And the audio performance is brilliant. Some complain about Yamaha's DPS modes, but I think they miss the point of being able to modify them. With my large viewing room, I'm able to expand the audio image to provide a full theater-like experience in Spectacle -- but with better audio, of course.

Frankly, I'm still playing at times with the customizations possible. I've had to go back to normal life activities, but once in a while when watching a movie on my own, I get to thinking "I can make this sound even better." (My wife hates it when I do that with her watching, so solitude has it's advantages. biggrin.gif ) One of the major attractions of the A820 is that there is still so much to explore.

On a side note, we're going to make our once yearly trip to an actual theater to see "The Lone Ranger" tomorrow. Got to see Johnny Depp as Tonto. (I have always called my dog "Tonto" even though my wife named him Dante.) And tonight I'll give the A820 a thrill with my annual viewing of "Independence Day". Good to have a feel-good movie for the 4th.

Rich
post #212 of 883
I have a RX-V733WA and was wondering if any one has modified the tone controls for zone 2?

Thanks
post #213 of 883

Just got my RX-A820 from Newegg ($480)! Just read this whole thread! Whew! Now, some question, if you will.

 

I'm upgrading from a Denon 2312CI. I wanted two HDMI outputs, and I had a choice: get an HDMI splitter or get a new receiver. Well, my wife blinked and I got the new received! :-)

 

So, two questions (at least for now):

 

  1. The Denon played Pandora with no advertisements. The Yamaha plays ads. mad.gif Any way to get the Yamaha to play Pandora with no ads, other than getting a paid Pandora account?
  2. I used a third party denon app call DeRemote. Nice product, and I recommend it for you Denon users. The Yamaha app is OK, but one thing I miss is the ability to easily select different surround processing modes (like PLIIx vs IIZ, vs Neo, vs others). Maybe I'm missing in the app, but is there a way to do this with the app? This is the equivalent of pressing the Surround button on the remote. 

 

Thanks to everyone for contributing. 

 

-Allan

post #214 of 883
Thread Starter 
I'm hoping someone out there might have some suggestions for an unusual issue that I have:
I recently purchased the 4k remaster of Total Recall (2012) from Amazon. The picture kept breaking up when I played it on my Sony BDP-S790 Blu-ray player which is connected to my Yamaha RX-V773. I also have my Samsung BD-E5500 connected to the amp and it plays the movie without any issues, plus I also tried it on my Pioneer BDP-51FD player in the spare room and it also plays it beautifully! I tried changing all the HDMI leads and still the Sony player couldn't play the movie through the Yamaha amp, yet when I connected the Sony directly to the tv (which is a Samsung UA55D7000 HDTV), it played the movie perfectly! Also, I should add that this is the only movie that I have issues with out of all of the 400 odd Blu-ray titles that I have!

I have the latest firmware updates on both the Yamaha & the Sony installed, but from what I can tell, it seems to be a communication issue between the Yamaha and the Sony? Is there a problem that the Yamaha amp is having processing the image of a 4k remastered Sony disc on the Sony player? Is there a setting on either one of the machines that I have overlooked which may remedy this issue? I can bypass the amp if I really want to as the Sony player has two HDMI outlets which would allow me to connect the video directly to the HDTV and just have the audio connected to the amp, but I really would prefer not to as it seems a waste of leads. Is anyone else out there familiar with this issue? I have also posted this issue on the Official Sony BDP-S790 thread as well in the hope of getting some feedback. Any input, advice or suggestions would be most appreciated...
Edited by Mattyo1612 - 7/6/13 at 6:54pm
post #215 of 883

do you have video processing on or off? Maybe it needs to be off if the source is 4K.

post #216 of 883

on more question about the 820. Is there a way to set the crossover to different values for rear and front speakers? I could do that on my Denon 2312.

 

Thanks,

 

Allan

post #217 of 883
Thread Starter 
Video processing is off. The disc is still 1080p but mastered from 4k source with expanded colour aka xvYCC.
post #218 of 883
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Originally Posted by AllanMarcus View Post

Just got my RX-A820 from Newegg ($480)! Just read this whole thread! Whew! Now, some question, if you will.

I'm upgrading from a Denon 2312CI. I wanted two HDMI outputs, and I had a choice: get an HDMI splitter or get a new receiver. Well, my wife blinked and I got the new received! :-)

So, two questions (at least for now):
  1. The Denon played Pandora with no advertisements. The Yamaha plays ads. mad.gif  Any way to get the Yamaha to play Pandora with no ads, other than getting a paid Pandora account?
  2. I used a third party denon app call DeRemote. Nice product, and I recommend it for you Denon users. The Yamaha app is OK, but one thing I miss is the ability to easily select different surround processing modes (like PLIIx vs IIZ, vs Neo, vs others). Maybe I'm missing in the app, but is there a way to do this with the app? This is the equivalent of pressing the Surround button on the remote. 

Thanks to everyone for contributing. 

-Allan

Nice splitter you bought there! biggrin.gif

Your questions in reverse -- 2) I think that's what we're stuck with unless Yamaha provides an update. For me, that's not an issue as I have mine set on DDPLXIIx Music and leave it there.

1) A little more weird and complex. I'm guessing that it depends on the service the equip manufacturer gets from Pandora. I have Pandora (free) available not only via Yamaha, but also DirecTV, the Android app, and on my PC. I think (this was several years ago), my PC registration was through the DirecTV service (the first I obtained). There are no ads on the DirecTV or my PC implementation. Also no ads on my Yamaha (listening/looking now). But on my Nexus, the ads are infuriating (though I did discover that you don't get them if you keep the "My Stations" screen active and only go to the "Now Playing" screen to see that info at which ads start appearing).

I don't know why you get ads with the Yamaha implementation and I don't unless the service is detecting my DirecTV membership.

But that last just shows up another oddity on Pandora -- maybe someone can explain a way out. While each of my 4 implementations all recognize my account and my stations (and any changes are immediately synced), they each PLAY independently. That is, if I start with the Yamaha and then turn on my Android app (this lets me have two screens), they are each playing something different -- whatever station is tuned there. If I switch the Yamaha Pandora off and go to the DirecTV Pandora via my TV Scene, it will start up a new song on whatever station is current there.

It would be nice if Pandora would just stay in sync regardless of where I'm listening. But then, I'm just happy to have Pandora at all -- and ad free at that. I'm currently listening to my Stormy Monday (Live) station with "Blues at Sunrise" by Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughn at 14:01 of its 15:11 minutes. Amazing!

Rich
Edited by richlife - 7/7/13 at 9:42am
post #219 of 883
Thanks Rich.

A few more questions. When play net radio or pandora, why doesn't a screen saver kick in? I have a plasma and without a screen saver, I have to turn off the tv (which will save me money, but if I forget, I will have a horrible burn-in)

How can I change a scene to launch pandora?

Thanks,

Allan
post #220 of 883
I agree, it would be good if Yamaha provided a screen saver, but for now it's wish list.

As for replacing a Scene, there are two options: use the Net Scene and then the black Net bottom above it to toggle to Pandora, or set up the I/O and config you want and then hold the Net Scene button down for 3 seconds until the unit displays 'complete'. Detail for the latter is in the manual.

Rich
post #221 of 883
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Edited by NachoB - 7/10/13 at 1:58am
post #222 of 883
Just got the 773wa today. Picked it up as an open box from Newegg, so I took a chance on the deal (~$410). Lucked out with it though because everything that was supposed to be included was and I've come across no hardware issues as of yet during my setup. Finished the setup (YPAO was as frustratingly nonsensical as had been established, so I was prepared going in) and am running it through some tests. This unit is replacing a Pioneer 1020-K, which was pretty decent in terms of sound quality, but the hardware itself was "quirky" and was becoming more and more difficult to deal with. But I had already established the optimum room settings with that unit, so I basically transferred over the old settings to this unit with maybe some minor tweaking. In all, the YPAO setup wasn't even close, and I'm glad I read through this thread to prepare myself for that. That's a really disappointing feature.

My room is 12x22x8, I picked up the Klipsch rw-12d to replace a BAC v1220 (which I lost in a flood during a move...long story) and have to Polk M50s in front, M30s in back and CS10 center. Nothing overly amazing, but I had a budget to work on and this setup did the trick, especially since I'm not in an overwhelming space. The YPAO had all of my speakers set to large and turned the sub down to -10dB. Took care of that nonsense myself.

So far I'm liking what I'm hearing. Little bit of a different tone out of the Yamaha than the Pioneer, but I like it. Can't really put my finger on it, but it seems more crisp to me.

Anyway, a big thanks to all in this thread, and especially for the web setup address. That's so nice to have and I'm not sure I would have come across that on my own. Makes making some simple changes a breeze.
post #223 of 883
I've had my A820 for about a month now and have had some interesting times trying to figure it out in relation to my room, speakers and input devices, but YPAO was NOT one of the issues. I have a very tough room, but I also had previous experience with manual audio setup in here with my Lexicon AVR. YPAO actually did well from the beginning and ended up handling my room even better than I could get with the Lex.

It's been well established that YPAO doesn't manage the sub properly -- these threads are full of advice to take the subs out of the config procedure. But aside from that (manually setting the sub level to 0 after running YPAO), I'm not sure why YPAO would be a problem. Anyone care to offer more detail?

One thing I remember reading here as an issue, was trying to run YPAO using only a single position. I did try that to start with and, no, I wasn't especially pleased with the result. But I re-did the config with multi-position (four positions spread across my listening room) and THAT really did make a positive difference! Someone else here also said using multi-positions helped them to get good results with YPAO.

I think that the less "balanced" your room, the more benefit you'll get with multi-positioning. My combined L/R-dining room is wider at one end than the other, has a 4-foot offset just behind listening position, an open staircase on the right and a vaulted ceiling open to a loft. Add in a window wall on the left and a tile floor and you would expect a nightmare theater sound, but it actually ends up being very good. The room itself almost eliminates the possibility of standing waves as surfaces aren't parallel and are well broken up.

With the YPAO setup, I also found that, after my first multi-position pass, I had moved some furniture back to its "normal" position and removed the packaging for the A820. YPAO came up with slightly different results after doing that. Not surprising to me with this rather "hard" room (tile flooring) -- moving objects in it affects the sound. So I think that even small things like that can have an effect. The instructions actually say to move yourself out of the room or into a corner so you aren't blocking the sound paths.

And then there's the question of any extraneous (dog barked?) or outside (traffic?) noises. I live in the woods with no neighbors and no traffic. Other sounds, other than the dogs, is not an issue. Since the dogs don't like YPAO rolleyes.gif , they aren't a problem.

Rich
post #224 of 883
Two questions (RX-A820):
1) Is there a way to have an HDMI source displaying on the TV screen and have a NET source playing as audio? I've turned off various HDMI video out options for the NET sources, to include the Scene, but they are always forced to the TV screen.

2) I could be losing my mind on this one, but I thought prior to the 1.80 firmware update that I could listen to different NET sources simultaneously in the Main Zone and Zone two. Is/was this ever possible? Page 72 of the manual states "You cannot select USB and network sources exclusively for each zone. For example, if you select “SERVER” for Zone2 when “USB” is selected for the main zone, the input source for the main zone also switches to “SERVER". Given the wording and the example, it's not clear to me that they're saying you can't listen to separate NET sources simultaneously in each Zone, for example Sirius in Main and Pandora in Zone 2.
post #225 of 883
My room is very unbalanced, which I'm sure contributes in large part to the lack of success I've had with automated setups, but I did forget to run the multi-point setup. I'm going to try that this evening to see what kind of results I get. Had a note to myself to run that instead of single point and just didn't do it. The sub went all wonky, as has been re-hashed here numerous times, but a couple quick setting changes were simple enough to take care of that.
post #226 of 883
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Originally Posted by NachoB View Post

1) Is there a way to have an HDMI source displaying on the TV screen and have a NET source playing as audio? I've turned off various HDMI video out options for the NET sources, to include the Scene, but they are always forced to the TV screen.

Look in the Input Menu, under Video Out. You can set a video source to be used with network audio.
post #227 of 883
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Originally Posted by Crump View Post

My room is very unbalanced, which I'm sure contributes in large part to the lack of success I've had with automated setups, but I did forget to run the multi-point setup. I'm going to try that this evening to see what kind of results I get. Had a note to myself to run that instead of single point and just didn't do it. The sub went all wonky, as has been re-hashed here numerous times, but a couple quick setting changes were simple enough to take care of that.

Worth doing the multi-positions, definitely. My combined rooms are more than 6000 cu ft. It's 28 feet long, 20 feet at the widest narrowing to 12 feet just behind the listening positions, and opens out to 24 feet at the back. The ceiling starts at 8', rises to 16' (well, sort of rises -- there are peaks and valleys even in that ceiling space) and then just behind the listening position, the ceiling moves to two 8' flat ceilings (mostly :<) for the dining room/loft area. So there is nothing uniform about this space -- that much is good. (Filling with quality sound it becomes another matter.) Add in furniture, wall variations and and a bent-back hallway at the rear (so my rears are in an even more open space) and you have a strange situation. Likely yours is not as awkward, but if you really think about all the variations in your room, you may see how multi-positions can help YPAO "triangulate" the space.

BTW, I have another interesting challenge. We have non-reflecting, insulating blinds that are used over the window wall(s) at night during the winter. I'll be running YPAO again just to see the results they provide. The blinds don't seem to matter all that much to my aging ears, but it does make the listening "softer".

Rich
post #228 of 883
Was able to go through the multi-point setup last night. I had envisioned that being more of a hassle than it was. Not sure why.

The results were, as suggested, significantly better. I ended up chaning the distance and level of the surround right speaker as it sits abnormally close to listeners. Just part of the way the room is and I won't really ever be able to change that. I'm thinking the multi-point was especially helpful in the far end of the room where there are two large openings into another room. One opening is a bit smaller, but high on the wall and perpendicular to the main sound wall, and the other is larger and lower parallel to the main sound wall. It all opens up to the same room, so the sound in there bounces quite oddly and you can even get some odd echoes when standing between the openings. Not ideal, but it's only noticeable outside of the viewing room.

I'll probably end up running multi-point again once we get more furniture in the room (right now the couch, end tables, and tv stand are all located in the same general area, the walls are blank, and there's nothing in the other end of the room) and finish the moving process.

After some more testing of different movies and shows (haven't tested any music or games yet), I'm noticing the dialogue levels are significantly clearer and more consistent than with the old Pioneer I just replaced. I hadn't really thought of it until last night, but I had gotten used to changing volume levels while watching just about any movie, and we had to crank the volume up quite a bit on dialogue heavy media. Now, I'm getting very clear, and consistent dialogue levels out of the center channel that I just wasn't getting before. The difference is not subtle and I'm kind of annoyed with myself for having overlooked that for so long. The intro to The Fellowship of the Ring sounds superb on the new setup (not to mention the new sub which is a significant step up from the BIC-v1220 that was drowned).
post #229 of 883
I'm glad the multi-point worked out for you. It is amazing, isn't it, how a room with its little variations can affect the performance of your system? That's why many will tell you that your listening environment is one of the most important components you have. And you have control of only portions of it.

More furniture will certainly help as it breaks up reflecting sound waves. Even wall hangings help and things like curtains can be a big deal. Try to avoid placing any large or solid furniture near your main fronts especially. (Sorry if you know all this -- I know I had to learn by both study and experience. Even recently, I had a relatively small chair that my wife had pushed to about 2 feet from one of my fronts. When I pushed it back 3 more feet, it was like a "sound-sucker" was removed.) Another one of the things that can be difficult to control in your listening environment is other family memers. biggrin.gif

Rich
post #230 of 883
I ran single point EQs several times and was generally happy with the results. For me (by nature) Yamaha has less thump and is more dynamic than say Marantz, Denon and Onkyo. Generally, Pioneer sounds very similar. For those believing all receivers sound the same... I'm sure you are right. smile.gif I was going to see what I could do to add a little more thump (presence) as far as manual EQ tweaking but I decided to try a multi-point EQ first.

I stayed pretty close to my sweet spot circling it within two feet or so and the results added a little more thump. I was using the explosion inside the building right after the opening scene of the latest Bond flick (not that it's overly deep bass). Even the motorbikes sounded a little more menacing. Still not in the other receiver's arena but closer and in my dedicated room the increased dynamics more than makes up for it. The audio tracks come alive.

Although the real reason I'm using the RX-A820 is for its Virtual Dialog Lift. My center is mounted well below the other speakers and at times I would find myself staring underneath the screen looking at the sound. No easy way for me to install Front Heights so the virtual route is it and I'm surprised how well it works. From my inner seats the vocals pretty much float versus being in front and coming from the floor which makes you feel more engaged. At the outer seats if you really try you can begin to hear vocals in the surrounds (although mine are placed at the sides since I'm using 7.2) which might throw you off a little if you let yourself get drawn away from the action. I could always reduce the affect (currently set to 5 or so) but since I sit in the center seats 99% of the time I'll leave it as is for now!
Edited by Charles R - 7/11/13 at 1:24pm
post #231 of 883
I have an rv-773wa with a ywa-10 and have just updated my receiver to 1.8. Update was verified. I have always had trouble connecting to my wireless router but a ywa-10 reboot has usually resolved the problem but after the most recent firmware update I can't connect to Pandora seems to connect to web radio and server after a reboot but no Pandora all I get is access error. Any body have a solution?
post #232 of 883
Sorry should be RX-V773 for update 1.8
post #233 of 883
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Originally Posted by jbois View Post

I have an rv-773wa with a ywa-10 and have just updated my receiver to 1.8. Update was verified. I have always had trouble connecting to my wireless router but a ywa-10 reboot has usually resolved the problem but after the most recent firmware update I can't connect to Pandora seems to connect to web radio and server after a reboot but no Pandora all I get is access error. Any body have a solution?
Call Yamaha and let them know about it. Yamaha has come out with a batch of crappy updates lately. Many different models are having trouble with Pandora and Rhapsody since the latest updates.
post #234 of 883
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Originally Posted by jbois View Post

I have an rv-773wa with a ywa-10 and have just updated my receiver to 1.8. Update was verified. I have always had trouble connecting to my wireless router but a ywa-10 reboot has usually resolved the problem but after the most recent firmware update I can't connect to Pandora seems to connect to web radio and server after a reboot but no Pandora all I get is access error. Any body have a solution?
Although not the optimal solution, but as others have reported, turning Network Standby to off had worked for me when Pandora refuses to connect. Might need to power off/on the receiver after turning standby to off.
Some days I have zero issues with standby on, others I might get through one song then it loses connection.
post #235 of 883
Charles, It's good you got a little more of what you're looking for with the "focused" multi-point approach you used, but I still think you might do even better if you allowed multi-point to function as its intended. Your room is (probably) not confined to within a few feet of your prime listening area. Why restrict YPAOs "understanding" of your room to that small space? Since it takes so little to get a full-room view (maybe that for you means all seating positions whether you use them or not?), why not Save your current config and re-run YPAO all out. Again, I'll use the triangulation analogy. The more info, the better the sound positioning.

If you don't like it, you can always go back to your saved config -- or even redo it in a few minutes.

Rich
post #236 of 883
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Originally Posted by richlife View Post

Charles, It's good you got a little more of what you're looking for with the "focused" multi-point approach you used, but I still think you might do even better if you allowed multi-point to function as its intended. Your room is (probably) not confined to within a few feet of your prime listening area.

I believe it is. All of my speakers are toed (pointed rather aggressively) towards the sweet spot of the room. If I wander further outward I'm beginning to place the microphone outside of the speakers' intended arc which I know Audyssey highly recommends avoiding. Also, my surrounds are relatively close to the outer seats (more on the side than rear as I'm using 7.2) so one of them would surely dominate the sweep.

I completely agree it can't hurt to give it a try as even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while... Regarding more info the better I agree up to a point. It has to be good info to start with... Bottom line I couldn't care less about the empty seats when I'm watching alone and when all of the seats are filled I'm sure the guests are corrupting the EQ rather dramatically. smile.gif
post #237 of 883
Solved the problem..Bought 100 feet of RG-6 and installed it..The YWA-10 is a useless device and a waste of money..My sony equipment hooks up without fault at the same location as does my dish box, so much for an AV company trying to do networking..Wish Yamaha would rebate the 100 dollars I wasted on it..
post #238 of 883
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I believe it is. All of my speakers are toed (pointed rather aggressively) towards the sweet spot of the room. If I wander further outward I'm beginning to place the microphone outside of the speakers' intended arc which I know Audyssey highly recommends avoiding. Also, my surrounds are relatively close to the outer seats (more on the side than rear as I'm using 7.2) so one of them would surely dominate the sweep.

I completely agree it can't hurt to give it a try as even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while... Regarding more info the better I agree up to a point. It has to be good info to start with... Bottom line I couldn't care less about the empty seats when I'm watching alone and when all of the seats are filled I'm sure the guests are corrupting the EQ rather dramatically. smile.gif

Given what you've defined, I would likely agree. So a new suggestion would be to open up you space -- don't be so aggressive. You're confining yourself to a listening 'cell'. My thought is that you still have more options and, to me, maybe better ones.

Rich
post #239 of 883
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Originally Posted by richlife View Post

So a new suggestion would be to open up you space -- don't be so aggressive. You're confining yourself to a listening 'cell'. My thought is that you still have more options and, to me, maybe better ones.

Based on the room (and configuration) it's pretty well set in stone with very few options... the room is 16.5' W x 19" L. The screen is 120" diagonal with a viewing distance of 10'. Pretty much as close as I can get without seeing pixel structure. The outer seats are a little further back which allow the side speakers a better shot at the center seats. They are close to the side seats but I like them rather forward as it really helps in creating a surround feel. Also, the outer seats are hardly ever used so their sound field isn't of much importance.

Over the years I have managed two rows of seats, a perfectly centered seat while moving speakers and furniture around (it's a dedicated room and only used a few hours a month tops) but I can't beat the current setup. At least without starting with a bulldozer. smile.gif
post #240 of 883
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Originally Posted by jbois View Post

Solved the problem..Bought 100 feet of RG-6 and installed it..The YWA-10 is a useless device and a waste of money..My sony equipment hooks up without fault at the same location as does my dish box, so much for an AV company trying to do networking..Wish Yamaha would rebate the 100 dollars I wasted on it..
the ywa-10 actually works well if you program the ip numbers statically(in the avr) instead of using dhcp. That pretty much fixed all of my network issues and very seldom do I ever get a network error.
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