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post #241 of 883
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Based on the room (and configuration) it's pretty well set in stone with very few options... the room is 16.5' W x 19" L. The screen is 120" diagonal with a viewing distance of 10'. Pretty much as close as I can get without seeing pixel structure. The outer seats are a little further back which allow the side speakers a better shot at the center seats. They are close to the side seats but I like them rather forward as it really helps in creating a surround feel. Also, the outer seats are hardly ever used so their sound field isn't of much importance.

Over the years I have managed two rows of seats, a perfectly centered seat while moving speakers and furniture around (it's a dedicated room and only used a few hours a month tops) but I can't beat the current setup. At least without starting with a bulldozer. smile.gif

Nice theater! Now about that bulldozer... biggrin.gif

Rich
post #242 of 883
basshead81: Never had to do a manual IP setup, could you walk me through the process
Thanks
post #243 of 883
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Originally Posted by jbois View Post

basshead81: Never had to do a manual IP setup, could you walk me through the process
Thanks

All you need to do is:

get your avr successfully conected via dhcp, then go into settings, information, network, and write down all of the numbers.

next back out of system info, go into setup, network, ip address, change dhcp to off, plug in all the numbers you wrote down and hit ok.
post #244 of 883
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Originally Posted by richlife View Post

Now about that bulldozer... biggrin.gif

I wish! I really regret the size of the theater. I more or less designed the house and had it increased once during the design stage. It is located directly underneath the Hearth room which has three exterior walls. The Hearth room is angled off of and open to the kitchen so as it gets larger the further it cuts into the kitchen itself. The room has an equipment closet at the back and doors on each side of it... which freezes the space. On the other side is a bar area (24' x 16' or so) which could have been integrated into the room by simply altering the angle of the side walls. I'm guessing the combined area would have ended about 24' x 36'... I'd been all set.

At the time (2002) home theater wasn't as popular and for resell I didn't want to customize the space too much. Bad guess as today it would probably add value not detract. It's not like the space is needed for anything else... the bar opens up to a pool area. Live and some what learn. smile.gif
post #245 of 883
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I wish! ... Live and some what learn. smile.gif

Hpmh! Funny thing! I designed my house too -- but in 1992. Lots of things weren't thought of back then. For example, I had my whole house wired for stereo -- multiple locations inside and out, upstairs and down. Since it's a special, custom passive solar house, there are concrete slabs on two levels that many people would not have. Try planning the kind of conduit through concrete needed today for a complete electronic home. Thanks be for WIRELESS! Pretty much saved my a--! (Only a part of that "stereo" wiring is in use now.)

Back then a theater room wasn't even in my thoughts -- but I did put a lot of thought into this odd living room space I have -- basically tried to combine the concepts of making it like a huge speaker cabinet and an infinite baffle. Not even close to either of course (especially when you throw in that passive solar thing), but I did get an amazingly listenable space.

But 20 years later, it's as you said: "I wish! ... Live and some what learn." tongue.gif

Rich
post #246 of 883
I'm just setting up my home theatre using this AVR, and I'd like to make it "spouse-friendly".

I purchased a One for All SmartControl universal remote, and I'd like to set it to scroll through inputs with channel up/down. However, there doesn't seem to be a function to scroll through inputs - even on the device's original remote.

Anyone have any clue on a way around this short of scrolling the little knob on the left?
post #247 of 883
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Originally Posted by richlife View Post


So a new suggestion would be to open up you space -- don't be so aggressive. You're confining yourself to a listening 'cell'. My thought is that you still have more options and, to me, maybe better ones.

 

Just so happened I rearranged my seating and as such I had to redo YPAO. I always do a single position and look at the results to confirm my microphone is properly positioned. I also run it a few times to let the speakers warm up (per se). Comparing the single pass to multi position results I find a consistent difference evolving around my center and subs.

 

With single pass it sets the center to -4.5 and the sub to +4.5. All of the other speakers are close to 0 and each pair is identical outside of the fronts which are .5 different (which goes away when I use multi position). Using multi position the center gets changed to -.5 and the subs to +.5. All the other speakers stay as is outside of the .5 difference disappearing for the fronts. I have run the above numerous times with the same results.

 

With the center being directly in front of the sweet spot (center seat) I can see it getting increased as you go outwards. Being mounted so low and aimed upwards I imagine its sound path is relatively small. Rumor has it the speaker is rather directional by design.

 

Now the bass I don't have a clue. That is quite a drop. One I'm pretty sure I could hear without really trying. On the surface I thought multi position YPAO would leave the levels alone... after the first pass. I didn't do any listening with the single position to compare as I'm committed to the multi position. Although I might adjust the subs a little closer to the single position setting now that I have a good excuse... that's where I sit 99% of the time.

post #248 of 883
When doing the multi-position setup, did you make sure that the first position was the exact same place as you used for the single-position setup (the main listening position)? I'm pretty sure only the first measurement is used to set distance and levels.

For the bass, when you have standing waves even a small difference in position can change the apparent volume of the sub dramatically.
post #249 of 883
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

When doing the multi-position setup, did you make sure that the first position was the exact same place as you used for the single-position setup (the main listening position)?


Yep. I never moved the microphone... ran several singles and looked at the results each time...and left the microphone as is for the first scan of the multi.

I repeated the above with the same results. Noticed it weeks ago when I did the same thing... it rounded out my Front's level and the center and sub was changed quite a bit.

 

I doubt it matters but my eight positions weren't really eight positions. Two were the sweet spot (in a row). Middle of the seat to the left of the center seat twice. Middle of the seat to the right of the center seat twice. And finally once on each side of the center seat. Roughly a 6' x 4' oval.


Edited by Charles R - 7/25/13 at 1:47pm
post #250 of 883
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

When doing the multi-position setup, did you make sure that the first position was the exact same place as you used for the single-position setup (the main listening position)? I'm pretty sure only the first measurement is used to set distance and levels.

 

Ok. Here are some images. The first three are single position one after another. The fourth is the result of multi position. The first position of the multi position was identical to the single positions as I never touched the microphone. Clearly it's adjusting the center and sub levels (and the others as well)... although the distances remain unchanged.

 

 

 

 

post #251 of 883
It does seem a bit strange. Does it sound better with the multi-position levels?
post #252 of 883
After looking over the specs, their isn't much difference from the RX-V373 unit. Missing the ethernet port isn't a problem. An excellent amp and the YPAO gets you in the ballpark but with minimal tweaking can be superior. Some of the scenes and chamber environments don't do anything unless the content is encoded in the media.
post #253 of 883
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

It does seem a bit strange. Does it sound better with the multi-position levels?

 

I think better is more or less relative... as in what one prefers. Although as I posted way back when (after the first time I ran multi position I thought I was hearing/feeling a little more bass. Which makes sense as in this case it added 3.5 (-2.5 to +1) to its level. The center's boost (+3) to 0 seems a little high compared to Audyssey and MCACC have set in the past. The surrounds aren't altered much with the sides reduced a little (still plenty present) and the rears pumped up a touch (not enough I could probably tell the difference).

 

I will say the single position values look (a lot) closer to what other EQ methods have found in the past.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I ran single point EQs several times and was generally happy with the results. For me (by nature) Yamaha has less thump and is more dynamic than say Marantz, Denon and Onkyo. Generally, Pioneer sounds very similar. For those believing all receivers sound the same... I'm sure you are right. smile.gif I was going to see what I could do to add a little more thump (presence) as far as manual EQ tweaking but I decided to try a multi-point EQ first.

I stayed pretty close to my sweet spot circling it within two feet or so and the results added a little more thump. I was using the explosion inside the building right after the opening scene of the latest Bond flick (not that it's overly deep bass). Even the motorbikes sounded a little more menacing. Still not in the other receiver's arena but closer and in my dedicated room the increased dynamics more than makes up for it. The audio tracks come alive.
 
post #254 of 883
Howdy, y'all. Been far out of town due to an illness in the family.

Hope to be back more often. No offense intended if I neglected to reply to anyone. Not like I'd know much anyhow.

Micke
post #255 of 883
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Look in the Input Menu, under Video Out. You can set a video source to be used with network audio.

Glad I bookmarked this page. I knew I was going to want to come back to this.

Now I've got my PS3 playing a game (NHL) while listening to my iPod over AirPlay. Good times.
post #256 of 883
Just a quick question i am reading an online review thats claiming the 773 and a820 are considerably different, mainly the amp in the 820 is better, is this true?
post #257 of 883
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Just a quick question i am reading an online review thats claiming the 773 and a820 are considerably different, mainly the amp in the 820 is better, is this true?
No. Can you post the review?
post #258 of 883
Seen it on testfreaks reviews, needed to use google translate as it appears to be from a french site.




Particularly this line

"Before going further, note one thing: Yamaha RX-A820 may well be located immediately above the Yamaha RX-V773 in terms of hierarchy and range appear as its big brother, as we have already mentioned at the beginning This test, however, they are very different. To have compared one after the other, we can say that, even if their characteristics are very close, the label AVENTAGE offers clearly superior level of musicality and dynamic capabilities."

They seem to be claiming because its aventage line its better? Maybe im exaggerating but thats what it appears he is getting at with superior level of musicality and dynamic capabilities. I also seen doing a search on the 773 a user claimed the aventage lines use better amps. Is it possible this purely them getting caught up in marketing.

That review also sites the 5w of additional power listed on the specs compared to the 773, again this goes against everything i was aware of and the reviewer might just be victim to specs and marketing, but if they are similarly priced I still want to check.



http://www.avcesar.com/test/amplificateur/id-42/yamaha-rx-a820/page-1.html
post #259 of 883
Just my personal opinion with years of experience with Yamaha receivers. I would rather have an a820 over a 773 but I wouldnt spend more than $100 more for it.
post #260 of 883
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Just a quick question i am reading an online review thats claiming the 773 and a820 are considerably different, mainly the amp in the 820 is better, is this true?

 

As an owner of the RX-A820 I'm guessing the biggest difference is the faceplate and perhaps the great Newegg.com close-out price. smile.gif

post #261 of 883
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

As an owner of the RX-A820 I'm guessing the biggest difference is the faceplate and perhaps the great Newegg.com close-out price. smile.gif

Yea thats what I am looking at smile.gif

Has anyone ever looked in these two yamahas? I last owned a denon and you could often find people on that thread who could tell you what amps in what and the difference in the amp was between models but I am not sure if anyone has when it comes to these two yamaha models.
Edited by Murilo - 8/10/13 at 11:44pm
post #262 of 883
Apologies for bumping this thread, still trying to decide on the A820, 773, 7065, alot of people seem to feel on here these are the same model internally, perhaps all thats different as mentioned above is the chasis and does the aventage line come with a longer warranty? While occasionally i still come across people who claim aventage line is better due to the 5th foot, and higher quality parts, ect... i dont know if this is yamaha marketing getting to them or they really do know.

I would have loved to just get the newegg rx-a820 but its gone at the moment, I live in canada and have a place in whitefish i vacation often but was not going their untill first week of september and newegg refused to let me pay for it but hold the order until then and ship it then which i was not happy about, but they must not be hurting for sales. Customer service almost seemed annoyed i was from canada ordering cheaper/cost saving models from the usa site when i visited the u.s.

I found a video of the A820 internally, I would be really curious if any 773 owners could even just look in the vents and mention if it looks the same, it would be much appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJzDmapIMU

Its at the 5 minute mark the first and smaller one is the a820, and the bigger one is a1020.

I have read many people say they are all the same, aventage is marketing, some on avforums were saying similar models of the aventage line uses the same amps as the rx line and they pass the 5th foot off as anti resonance technology and its all marketing.... but as mentioned I have a french review claiming the 820 is more "musical" and "dynamic" then the 773 citing 5w more of power and better internals, i also seen someone claiming the aventage line has a discrete amp thats better then the 773 butt with all the potential bs between marketing and what folks claim i would be curious to know if the A820 is worth the trouble to continue pursuing or just order a 773/7065 when i am close to going to the u.s. and avoid the trouble.
Edited by Murilo - 8/10/13 at 11:53pm
post #263 of 883
Get the 820 if you can for roughly the same price. If not then get the 773. No big deal either way. You will get various opinions because most people dont really know. The difference isnt worth spending much time considering imo. My main concern if choosing between the 2 would be price.
post #264 of 883
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Get the 820 if you can for roughly the same price. If not then get the 773. No big deal either way. You will get various opinions because most people dont really know. The difference isnt worth spending much time considering imo. My main concern if choosing between the 2 would be price.

Yea the issue is more so availability at this point, well price and availability. Its a bit harder though because I was sold on A820 and figured well if it is better I can spend 30 more dollars on it, but with newegg not carrying it now maybe not again Im probably going to be forced to go with the other.
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I also agree your correct that alot of people dont know. That french review did bother me though, with the claim it was a upgrade musically over the 773 but they could also be victim of specs which seemed very possible, but I also liked the extra hdmi inputs on the a820, I currently have 4 occupied, but after purchasing a chromecast the back will now be full. I should hope I dont need anymore though since my goal has been to always reduce components and clutter not add more but the additional hdmi inputs would be nice to have just in case. I may not have a choice though. Other then newegg the few remaining A820's were priced very high that I can find.
post #265 of 883
Ok last post on the subject just to help any other potential buyers who may read this although this models already becoming unavailable. But doing a quick google search I notice posts like mine from people outside the u.s. who ask the same questions since the rx-v line seems to be cheaper outside the u.s. considerably with better deals, we dont get newegg like deals in canada for the aventage line same with uk customers as well from what came up, some were paying several hundred euro's more for the A820 over the 773 claiming it has better internals and parts. Someone even claimed the A-720, is above the 773, the price sure does not reflect that statement.

But I found 1080p video on youtube from areadvd (german site that does great avr reviews) show internals of the 771 last year, and avland in the uk showed the A-810 internals at length. I noticed absolutely 0 difference, the layout and internals looked exactly the same, the V771 even had the same hdmi board as far as i can tell their was a slot for the 6th and 7th hdmi input like the A-810 but it was not used as the chasis only had 5 input slots and connectors. Power supplys looked exactly the same, capacitor, the layout looked identical. The 1020/1010 is where i noticed the layout and power supply looked completely different with different parts. So if the aventage line at this price point uses higher quality parts and provides an additional 5w over the rx-v77 line i could not tell or see how.

As far as i can tell the only difference was the chasis with the extra hdmi inputs on the chasis and the 5th foot, whether that does anything useful i still dont know and somehow doubt how it would effect the sound. If the a820 should appear again at a good price i would take it just for the additional hdmi inputs, and better warranty, that seems to be where the 50 dollar higher mrsp for the a820 vs 773 seems to come in, and if not I will just get the 773.
Edited by Murilo - 8/12/13 at 1:06am
post #266 of 883
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Ok last post on the subject just to help any other potential buyers who may read this although this models already becoming unavailable. But doing a quick google search I notice posts like mine from people outside the u.s. who ask the same questions since the rx-v line seems to be cheaper outside the u.s. considerably with better deals, we dont get newegg like deals in canada for the aventage line same with uk customers as well from what came up, some were paying several hundred euro's more for the A820 over the 773 claiming it has better internals and parts. Someone even claimed the A-720, is above the 773, the price sure does not reflect that statement.

But I found 1080p video on youtube from areadvd (german site that does great avr reviews) show internals of the 771 last year, and avland in the uk showed the A-810 internals at length. I noticed absolutely 0 difference, the layout and internals looked exactly the same, the V771 even had the same hdmi board as far as i can tell their was a slot for the 6th and 7th hdmi input like the A-810 but it was not used as the chasis only had 5 input slots and connectors. Power supplys looked exactly the same, capacitor, the layout looked identical. The 1020/1010 is where i noticed the layout and power supply looked completely different with different parts. So if the aventage line at this price point uses higher quality parts and provides an additional 5w over the rx-v77 line i could not tell or see how.

As far as i can tell the only difference was the chasis with the extra hdmi inputs on the chasis and the 5th foot, whether that does anything useful i still dont know and somehow doubt how it would effect the sound. If the a820 should appear again at a good price i would take it just for the additional hdmi inputs, and better warranty, that seems to be where the 50 dollar higher mrsp for the a820 vs 773 seems to come in, and if not I will just get the 773.
Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
post #267 of 883
I have q question.

When i listen fm radio in 2 channels mode the subwoofer is open. when i close (unplugged) the stereo speakers the music plays (!) from sub. not clearly but i can listen. is this normal???
post #268 of 883
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Originally Posted by dask View Post

I have q question.

When i listen fm radio in 2 channels mode the subwoofer is open. when i close (unplugged) the stereo speakers the music plays (!) from sub. not clearly but i can listen. is this normal???

I have selecting "Large" speakers as my front speakers in the setup. But the receiver send a signal to the subwoofer... Any ideas?
post #269 of 883
Hi guys,

I have the RX-V773 receiver and 7.1 channel speaker setup with 2 back surround.

Yesterday I bought 2 extra speakers with the idea to put them as presence speakers. I wired them to the receiver, turn them on from the receiver's menu and played a blu-ray movie with 7.1 audio. I have also put the receive on straight mode. So all the speakers from the 7.1 channels are working except the presence ones.

Any ideas how to make all the speakers work? I really want to have presence and surround working together.

Thanks in advance!
post #270 of 883
Presence speakers wont work in straight mode unless its a 7.1 source.
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