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post #421 of 530
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Originally Posted by ndskurfer View Post

My Onkyo NR807's hdmi board is fried, so it took a coin flip to decide between the Outlaw 975 vs Emotiva UMC-200 to pair with my Outlaw 7500... The UMC-200 arrives Monday!

Nice, I chose the UMC-200 because of the combo deal price, and the fact that the Outlaw doesn't have EQ room correction.
post #422 of 530
Here is an update on my most recent experiences with the UMC-200. About 3 weeks ago I had issues powering on the processor. I would have to turn off the master AC switch at the back of the unit and then hit the front switch again. The overall operation became quite erratic. So I called support, and the tech said he suspected the power supply. Apparently by other posts in the Emotiva Community, power supply issues while not epidemic are not rare either.
I just received my unit back a few days ago and the overall performance is excellent. To Emotiva's credit they handled the transaction in a timely and accurate manner.
The unit also is pre-loaded with the latest firmware. I was running '39 version ( up from the original). There was an upgrade to a '41 rev and my returned unit is now loaded with '47. There was only a short time between 41 and 47.I am thankful that I did not have to endure the updating process.
It appears the double-trigger fisaco was resolved. There is still an issue with Enhanced Audio being on in the default position even if your speakers are set SMALL. Just toggle them once from SMALL to LARGE and back to SMALL and Enhanced goes off as it should. Unfortunately, there will probably be a fair number of customers who will remain unaware of this quirk.
For now, the '200 is a keeper. It does everything I need and does them very well. I've been critical of Emo about some problems in the past, and that's not to say all those things have been resolved. I do have to say Emotiva has been very successful at bringing fine audio quality into a very affordable price range.
post #423 of 530
The UMC-200, I have had for a couple of months and it's been great for me so far. I had firmware v .41 when i got my unit and subsequently updated it to v.47 last week.

There is an occasional very brief high pitched shriek when I switch sources or channels but it's very rare. Still, this didn't happen with v.41.

I use it for both movies and music (via XDA-2) and I really can't complain about the performance. Especially at such a low price.

I was waiting for the XMC-1 but I'm no longer in dire need to upgrade my pre/pro.

I can easily recommend it to anyone who has a decent amp and speakers.
post #424 of 530
I will have to listen for that 'squeal'. If it happens during switching that could be related to a cap. That's about a pure as speculation can get, more of a real shot in the dark.
The XMC should be quite a piece. I am sure it will have some growing pains also, especially concerning the greater complexity. One huge plus should be the ease of firmware updating. Hope I am not being too presumptuous.
I agree, a good amp and speakers as well as clean sources really bring out the best in the 200.
post #425 of 530
Look what just arrived! WOOT!!!


post #426 of 530
Beautiful! Only thing that looks better is when the shiny hardware is installed in your system. That picture makes me want to buy some gear all over again. but not pay for it again... lol
post #427 of 530
My UMC-200 arrived today as well. Thanks to all on this thread who helped make up my mind ! Next thing is to pickup a Crown XLS 1500 to mate with the paradigms, should be a drastic improvement over my 5 yr old Denon 2307 biggrin.gif
post #428 of 530
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Originally Posted by blueskies758 View Post

My UMC-200 arrived today as well. Thanks to all on this thread who helped make up my mind ! Next thing is to pickup a Crown XLS 1500 to mate with the paradigms, should be a drastic improvement over my 5 yr old Denon 2307 biggrin.gif

That should be interesting. Which Paradigms?

- Rich
post #429 of 530
I have Paradigm Studio V3 60s - love their sound. Just ordered the Crown XLS 1500 @ 300 wpc 8 ohms, and have never had that much power to them before. I think for the last 5 years or so Ive been woefully underpowering them with midrange receivers.
post #430 of 530
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Originally Posted by blueskies758 View Post

I have Paradigm Studio V3 60s - love their sound. Just ordered the Crown XLS 1500 @ 300 wpc 8 ohms, and have never had that much power to them before. I think for the last 5 years or so Ive been woefully underpowering them with midrange receivers.

Many people feel that AVR's are adequate for most and they are probably right.
But I have had them before and I never heard massive distortion when I turned them up.
Instead, what I experienced is compressed sound.

Adding an amp did not necessarily make it louder but it made it much more dynamic.

- Rich
post #431 of 530
Rich B - I wholeheartedly agree.
I hope to expect a more detailed and open soundstage with this move to separates, my first set. I paired the studio 60s with a 125 wpc Emotiva amp last year and heard more dynamic sound than with the Denon internal amp section alone, but I had hoped for more head room in terms of volume. I dont think that will be as much as a problem with the Crown.

I am excited to hear the paradigm / UMC 200 pairing. My amp should arrive by tuesday...will be sure to post impressions.
post #432 of 530
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Originally Posted by blueskies758 View Post

I am excited to hear the paradigm / UMC 200 pairing. My amp should arrive by tuesday...will be sure to post impressions.

Mine comes Monday, to be paired with an Outlaw 7500 and Paradigm Studios (60's as fronts)
post #433 of 530
My UMC-200 and UPA-700 arrived a couple days ago. I decided to upgrade my entertainment center at the same time, reasons being it's old and cheap, and my new center channel doesn't fit. Here are some pictures. Keep in mind that this place is just a rental, and is always a work in progress! smile.gif

Some quick thoughts, then on to pictures!

I did a EMOQ calibration, and some of the test tones scared the crap out of me actually lol. I didn't expect them to be that loud. I noticed that it set my center and sides to small, which is fine, but at 130hz? I lowered them to 80hz. The emoq set my sub xover to 100hz, which I then lowered to 80hz. My towers are set to large, which is good.

I played a bit of Star Trek, and the sound had a dynamicness about it that wasn't there before, it was pretty awesome. I've seen this intro a million times and use it to test new equipment out. Highs were crystal clear (although a bit harsh at times, but that could be due to me not being used to this, or I might need to fiddle with the EMOQ some more), and there were some sounds that I didn't notice before, even on top of that, some sounds that were there, had more "surroundness" to them.

I used trim settings a bit to lower my center, up my sub and sides, which, to my ears, sounded more balanced. I still need to learn more about Octave curves and such, as some of the voices in the film were a bit "bassy". I initially thought that was due to me lowering the xover on my center channel, but I moved it up to 100hz and it sounded too "sharp" for my taste. I'll mess around with some settings later when I have time.


(the toaster is actually a fully functional xbox360, lol)


Old tv stand setup



Old tv stand setup



UPA-700 and UMC-200



Stacked Front



Stacked Rear Profile



Stacked Rear



Slowly moving everything over to the new entertainment center



My Emotiva interconnects haven't arrived yet, so I have to use some RCA cables I had lyin around. The thicker RCA Y cable is for my 2 subwoofers.



New AV gear, entertainment center, and center channel!



Closeup



My Rental Home Theater



My Rental Home Theater

Edited by freespace303 - 12/7/13 at 7:00pm
post #434 of 530
Of course the sub xover setting is the max frequency that would be sent to your sub not the same as the xover of the mains, etc. According to Emotiva there may some value in having the sub reproduce some higher frequencies along with the other speakers. I have mine set at 140Hz. Room for some experimentation here anyway.

I agree, some of the other crossover values for the other speakers seem unusually high for some reason. I know before the last couple of firmware updates I got some quirky numbers on the first cal that for some reason settled down to something more reasonable on subsequent runs without any other changes on my part. I have only run cal once since getting mine back from repair, and I don't know if that's still the case. I may just have to run it again and see.

Very nice theater you have yourself there!
post #435 of 530
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post

My UMC-200 and UPA-700 arrived a couple days ago. I decided to upgrade my entertainment center at the same time, reasons being it's old and cheap, and my new center channel doesn't fit. Here are some pictures. Keep in mind that this place is just a rental, and is always a work in progress! smile.gif

Some quick thoughts, then on to pictures!

I did a EMOQ calibration, and some of the test tones scared the crap out of me actually lol. I didn't expect them to be that loud. I noticed that it set my center and sides to small, which is fine, but at 130hz? I lowered them to 80hz. The emoq set my sub xover to 100hz, which I then lowered to 80hz. My towers are set to large, which is good.

I played a bit of Star Trek, and the sound had a dynamicness about it that wasn't there before, it was pretty awesome. I've seen this intro a million times and use it to test new equipment out. Highs were crystal clear (although a bit harsh at times, but that could be due to me not being used to this, or I might need to fiddle with the EMOQ some more), and there were some sounds that I didn't notice before, even on top of that, some sounds that were there, had more "surroundness" to them.

I used trim settings a bit to lower my center, up my sub and sides, which, to my ears, sounded more balanced. I still need to learn more about Octave curves and such, as some of the voices in the film were a bit "bassy". I initially thought that was due to me lowering the xover on my center channel, but I moved it up to 100hz and it sounded too "sharp" for my taste. I'll mess around with some settings later when I have time.


(the toaster is actually a fully functional xbox360, lol)


Old tv stand setup



Old tv stand setup



UPA-700 and UMC-200



Stacked Front



Stacked Rear Profile



Stacked Rear



Slowly moving everything over to the new entertainment center



My Emotiva interconnects haven't arrived yet, so I have to use some RCA cables I had lyin around. The thicker RCA Y cable is for my 2 subwoofers.



New AV gear, entertainment center, and center channel!



Closeup



My Rental Home Theater



My Rental Home Theater
toe in the towers to the point where you are looking straight down the horns throat & the disk inside the horn is a full round circle looking from the M L P IE : straight at you , cool.gif

some of that harshness is reflection of the horns off the side walls biggrin.gif
Horns are very directional
Imaging will vastly improve as well . wink.gif
post #436 of 530
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

toe in the towers to the point where you are looking straight down the horns throat & the disk inside the horn is a full round circle looking from the M L P IE : straight at you , cool.gif

some of that harshness is reflection of the horns off the side walls biggrin.gif
Horns are very directional
Imaging will vastly improve as well . wink.gif

I would but what about the other listener positions in the room? I don't want to have to reposition my towers each time I have guests over. Also, I never had this harshness at high volumes with my previous amp, would that be because my previous amp just didn't have the juice to produce those high frequencies at that volume? Or am I just playing it to loud? lol
post #437 of 530
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post

I would but what about the other listener positions in the room? I don't want to have to reposition my towers each time I have guests over. Also, I never had this harshness at high volumes with my previous amp, would that be because my previous amp just didn't have the juice to produce those high frequencies at that volume? Or am I just playing it to loud? lol
you shouldn't have to readjust at all try it . but straight out your not getting good coverage any way .
post #438 of 530
How many of you have had success using the EMOQ calibration? Would you recommend manual calibration (i'm willing to learn if it means I can get better results) and what up to date blu-ray calibration disk would you suggest I get?

Digital radioshack SPL meter good for the price?


I found this post, would this be relevant for the UMC-200? Run the EMOQ then do SPL readings, adjust db level per channel?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=2088501&postcount=125 (second response in post)
Edited by freespace303 - 12/8/13 at 12:39am
post #439 of 530
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

you shouldn't have to readjust at all try it . but straight out your not getting good coverage any way .

Fastslappy is right. Toe those babies in. It will be better for every seat.
post #440 of 530
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post

How many of you have had success using the EMOQ calibration? Would you recommend manual calibration (i'm willing to learn if it means I can get better results) and what up to date blu-ray calibration disk would you suggest I get?



I think more difficult rooms would benefit from manual programmable equalization. Using REW like from HTS forum, etc. for running the test. A lot more involved, but more accurate process.

Overall, I am happy with the EMQ. I think it has some quirks, but once you manually tweak the final settings it seems to work well. I have an Anti-Mode 8033 on my sub which I think does a better job at low end room correction than EmoQ. At least compared to Audyssey which seemed to give me similar results to the 8033 when I was using a receiver.

I've always toed in my main speakers a little except for my present Dali Ikon towers. (mfg. recommends straight ahead as they have ribbon/dome tweeters with very wide dispersion). They tend to be slightly harsh turned in. I do have some wall treatments so side reflections have not been an issue.
post #441 of 530
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post

I would but what about the other listener positions in the room? I don't want to have to reposition my towers each time I have guests over.

To be honest I'm not concerned about other listeners in my room. Not many have the same obsession with the sound that myself or many of us have here on AVS. So I optimize my speaker placement for the best SQ for the MLP. I agree with Fastslappy and psgcdn that you should toe your speakers in. I'm certainly no expert in speaker placement. But having your speakers that far apart and close to the sidewalls with no toe in doesn't seem to be the best option IMO. Also other than the time spent trying different placement options it doesn't cost anything smile.gif. I have realized nice SQ improvements from changes in speaker placement in my room over the years.

Bill
post #442 of 530
It is very easy to toe-in a bit and try it. It does not take much. Run it that way a while, see if you like ti better. If more things could be that easy. smile.gif
post #443 of 530
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Originally Posted by videoaddikt View Post

Of course the sub xover setting is the max frequency that would be sent to your sub not the same as the xover of the mains, etc. According to Emotiva there may some value in having the sub reproduce some higher frequencies along with the other speakers. I have mine set at 140Hz. Room for some experimentation here anyway.

You can't adjust the "sub xover" independently from the mains. Whatever crossover frequency you set for the satellites will determine what is sent to the sub. LFE crossover and slope is mislabeled as "Subwoofer". It should generally be set to 120Hz.
post #444 of 530
Yes, I agree, it is not accurately labeled as to it's real function. But also a good reason not set it too low. I believe many set it at 80Hz without totally comprehending it's function which is understandable, Been there, done that. smile.gif

Here is the explanation I got from Keith L at Emotiva some months ago. Likely more clear than my own,
My sub will roll off over 180Hz.. so 140 (or 120, etc.) seemed more reasonable.

....................
The crossover setting for the sub is really just a safety to high-cut any high frequencies that get sent to the sub by the LFE channel. (Anything above that crossover frequency is discarded rather than played.) As such, unless there's something really odd about how what you're playing is produced, it really doesn't matter what it's set to, AS LONG AS IT ISN'T SET TOO LOW. (If it's set too low, then it might cut off the upper frequencies of stuff on the LFE channel.) SO, leave it at 250 and forget about it.

Edited by videoaddikt - 12/8/13 at 2:28pm
post #445 of 530
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

you shouldn't have to readjust at all try it . but straight out your not getting good coverage any way .
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Fastslappy is right. Toe those babies in. It will be better for every seat.
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Originally Posted by videoaddikt View Post

I think more difficult rooms would benefit from manual programmable equalization. Using REW like from HTS forum, etc. for running the test. A lot more involved, but more accurate process.

Overall, I am happy with the EMQ. I think it has some quirks, but once you manually tweak the final settings it seems to work well. I have an Anti-Mode 8033 on my sub which I think does a better job at low end room correction than EmoQ. At least compared to Audyssey which seemed to give me similar results to the 8033 when I was using a receiver.

I've always toed in my main speakers a little except for my present Dali Ikon towers. (mfg. recommends straight ahead as they have ribbon/dome tweeters with very wide dispersion). They tend to be slightly harsh turned in. I do have some wall treatments so side reflections have not been an issue.
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

To be honest I'm not concerned about other listeners in my room. Not many have the same obsession with the sound that myself or many of us have here on AVS. So I optimize my speaker placement for the best SQ for the MLP. I agree with Fastslappy and psgcdn that you should toe your speakers in. I'm certainly no expert in speaker placement. But having your speakers that far apart and close to the sidewalls with no toe in doesn't seem to be the best option IMO. Also other than the time spent trying different placement options it doesn't cost anything smile.gif. I have realized nice SQ improvements from changes in speaker placement in my room over the years.

Bill

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Originally Posted by videoaddikt View Post

It is very easy to toe-in a bit and try it. It does not take much. Run it that way a while, see if you like ti better. If more things could be that easy. smile.gif

Guess I'll have to give this a try, although I never had this harshness before the amp upgrade. I only have about half hour of listening experience so far, work has kept me away from playing around with it more. Maybe I just need to run emoq again, or listen to it longer, tweak the xover settings a bit. This is my first dive into separates and real power, so maybe I'm just not used to this sound.

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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

You can't adjust the "sub xover" independently from the mains. Whatever crossover frequency you set for the satellites will determine what is sent to the sub. LFE crossover and slope is mislabeled as "Subwoofer". It should generally be set to 120Hz.

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Originally Posted by videoaddikt View Post

Yes, I agree, it is not accurately labeled as to it's real function. But also a good reason not set it too low. I believe many set it at 80Hz without totally comprehending it's function which is understandable, Been there, done that. smile.gif

Here is the explanation I got from Keith L at Emotiva some months ago. Likely more clear than my own,
My sub will roll off over 180Hz.. so 140 (or 120, etc.) seemed more reasonable.

....................
The crossover setting for the sub is really just a safety to high-cut any high frequencies that get sent to the sub by the LFE channel. (Anything above that crossover frequency is discarded rather than played.) As such, unless there's something really odd about how what you're playing is produced, it really doesn't matter what it's set to, AS LONG AS IT ISN'T SET TOO LOW. (If it's set too low, then it might cut off the upper frequencies of stuff on the LFE channel.) SO, leave it at 250 and forget about it.

It seems that many people say set your sub xover really high, or really low, is that dependent on the size/power/type of sub they are running, compared to the size of the speakers? I'm confused on what to set it to to maximize it's potential. My ears aren't very experienced with high end home theater. The stuff I've got is pretty much my only impression.

What xover settings would you recommend? (xover setting on sub should be at highest or off, and use the AVR sub xover setting instead, correct?)

Room size is 17'x14'x9', only one opening to a hallway at the rear

AVR - UMC-200/UPA-700
Fronts - Klipsch KF-28
Center - Klipsch C2
Sides - Klipsch VS-14
Rears - Klipsch VS-14
Sub1 - Klipsch RW-12D
Sub2 - Infinity HTS-20
post #446 of 530
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Guess I'll have to give this a try, although I never had this harshness before the amp upgrade. I only have about half hour of listening experience so far, work has kept me away from playing around with it more. Maybe I just need to run emoq again, or listen to it longer, tweak the xover settings a bit. This is my first dive into separates and real power, so maybe I'm just not used to this sound.

It seems that many people say set your sub xover really high, or really low, is that dependent on the size/power/type of sub they are running, compared to the size of the speakers? I'm confused on what to set it to to maximize it's potential. My ears aren't very experienced with high end home theater. The stuff I've got is pretty much my only impression.

What xover settings would you recommend? (xover setting on sub should be at highest or off, and use the AVR sub xover setting instead, correct?)

Room size is 17'x14'x9', only one opening to a hallway at the rear

AVR - UMC-200/UPA-700
Fronts - Klipsch KF-28
Center - Klipsch C2
Sides - Klipsch VS-14
Rears - Klipsch VS-14
Sub1 - Klipsch RW-12D
Sub2 - Infinity HTS-20
power amps allow you set the XO lower & get more dynamics outta your speakers woofers the XO set at the speakers should be what the sub is set for
post #447 of 530
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post

What xover settings would you recommend? (xover setting on sub should be at highest or off, and use the AVR sub xover setting instead, correct?)

First, sub location should be optimized for smoothest frequency response, low modal ringing and minimized seat-to-seat differences. Apply EQ if necessary. Then run them as high as possible but low enough so they don't become localizable. In any case one needs to take measurements or use an automated measurement system like Audyssey XT32 to do such optimizations.
Edited by markus767 - 12/9/13 at 5:01am
post #448 of 530
Once the 200 runs EmoQ, and I see it sets speakers xovers sometimes too high(opposite of what Audyssey usually does), does adjusting them down cause any issues with the calibrations? Reason I ask is like with Audyssey, you can raise the xover from the calibration setting, but you can't lower it.

I've been back and forth for a week about one of the big boy AVR's with XT32 and a good amp, but when you start looking at cost ($1200) the UMC200-XPA3 it really gets your attention. Especially having all that extra power. It seems everyone is pretty happy with the UMC200 as a pre pro, and its nice you can set it on top of the amp since Im limited with space.

FYI, Im running a 3.1 system with Klipsch Ref II towers and center along with a VTF15 sub.

Thanks for any input.

BTW, is the $500 price on the UMC200 a sale price, I might better go ahead and grab that now?
post #449 of 530
I'm enjoying my 200 but its not set it and forget it. The first week takes many fine tuning . I previously had a mid level denon avr and like the emo much better.
post #450 of 530
I can't remember Audyssey having an issue with setting the XO's where I wanted them when I was using an Onkyo AVR, Maybe they had a 80hz or THX default setting.
I don't recall.

But that's besides the point, the UMC does set them all high. I just set them where I think they should be and everything sounds fine.

About the only thing I don't mess with is the distance. As said by chalugadp, I think it does takes some manual tweaking to get things where you want them. But unless you have a very difficult room it should not be too much of a challenge.
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