Hello. I stumbled across this thread, and for the most part, it's very useful. I Have a living room based 5.1 system comprised of Klipsch WB-14s and a Klipsch WC24 center speaker, a Power Sound Audio XV15 sub and all powered by a Denon X2000. The system is used all day, every day for TV, movies and a lot of music in PL II Music mode. Due to the room itself, I had all three speakers mounted on a shelf just above the TV, and all aimed down and toed in to the MLP. There is only 6' between the L/R with the CC speaker in the middle of course, which is hardly ideal, but still I was happy with the sound.
Last week I was being me and tinkering with the settings and I thought what the hell, let me change center to none......Wow, what a difference for the better. The dialog immediately gained more weight and sounded as though the actor was in my room, instead of a small box like I was used to. The sound stage also dropped and no longer sounded like it is coming from above the TV. In PL II Music mode the image is wider, lower and seems to have more detail. I'm not an audiophile and I can not participate in some of your discussions because I don't have the knowledge. That being said, I'm far from a novice and all my friends & family come to me for HT advice and most importantly, I know what I like.
I sit dead center of the TV 14' away in a 23x16x8 living room that opens to the rest of the house....Your average american house I suppose. My wife sits to my right, and is also the typical american wife in regards to not hearing any difference to anything I do, ever. When I sit in her chair, the image still seems to come from the center of the TV. I figured that without the CC, her spot would be R speaker heavy, but it is not, and even if it was, she wouldn't notice.
I like the result of no CC in my home so much, that I ordered a pair of HTD Level 2 Tower speakers that are going to fit on either side of my 60" TV.......Barely. HTD does offer a Level 2 CC Speaker that is designed to work with the towers I bought, but it is the typical M T M design and it would have to live in my entertainment center, below the TV. All the things that make the typical CC speaker sound bad. So for me, with my speaker placements, in my room the Phantom setting is far superior to a physical CC speaker that was "supposed" to match the rest of my speakers.
Originally Posted by Roger Dressler
Let's say the listening volume is comfortably below these limits, as might be the case when people like me listen to movies 15 dB below ref level. Now the amps/speakers will all remain happy regardless of phantom center on/off. In that case, there is no need to worry about electrical overload within the AV processor DSP, DAC, or analog output stages. No need for DRC protection. Just wanted to get that out of the way.
Roger, thanks for your informative posts and I understand, well, some of it. Regarding DRC and the Phantom setting, on my Denon X2000 DRC is still listed as OFF in the surround parameters when listening to any format of DD (2.0/5.1/True HD). If my receiver were going into some kind of DRC when not using a CC speaker, would it do so "silently" and not change the status of the DRC setting, or would it in fact change the setting to ON? I hear no such compression, and the loudest we ever watch our system is -7db, but I am curious of what you think.