Originally Posted by boblinds
For larger screens, it's a different story. After seeing Sony's $25K UHD projector running native 4K footage of "Skyfall" at 170-inch diagonal, I wanted to make sweet, sweet love to it.
Skyfall was shot on what is basically a 2K camera, but they used the 3.2K RAW (5MP) recording from a separate RAW recorder output for editing and up-converted this to 4K (8MP). So it was not Native 4K footage.
To have have native 4K footage the camera must have a minimum 4K sensor. The best cameras has 5K to 6K (14Mp - 20MP) sensor and is sub-sampled in post for 4K native.
The largest hurdle for 4K native movies today is the VFX/CGI which is very expensive to render in 4K.
We will see a lot of "true native 4K" claims which is often questionably.
Originally Posted by mastermaybe
When I can buy a gigantic (read 80+") 2160 screen for ~$4,000, I'll swipe.
Till then, forget it. That said, I think it's extremely difficult to gage WHEN that will occur, but I expect it to be much quicker than the wait we went through for a great, non-stratospherically priced 60" 1080 panel.
Who knows where Sharp will be in 2-3 years (how bout their newly introduced $31,000 60" 4k display?
), but if they're around- seeing in two years their reasonably-priced huge 1080 sets will be 5-6 years in- they'll prolly have to do something "almost" affordable with 2160 by then.
Just quoting you as an example of many posts with the same speculations.
The manufacturing difference between a HD 1080 LCD screen and a 4K UHD LCD screen is small.
The real manufacturing cost difference comes with size. A 50" is very much cheaper to make than a 84" regardless of resolution.
The TV manufacturers will of course try to earn back some R&D for the 4K screens and maybe also try to increase the overall price of TVs from the "too low" price of TVs the recent years that has nearly bankrupted several Japanese TV manufacturers.
Problem for the Japanese (and the Koreans) manufacturers; Several very big Chinese TV manufacturers wants to capture the US and EU TV markets, and they will do that with low priced 4K UHD TVs.
When we normally have be talking about Chinese TV panel manufacturers, they are mostly made in Taiwan like CMI and AUE.
The first Chinese mainland TV panel manufacturer TCL was in full production for the first time 2012, and with brand subsidiary Skyworth (largest TV brand in mainland China) and Westinghouse. TCL is also the manufacturer of the world largest LCD TV, the 110" 4K UHD TV.
So we have to get familiar with brands like Hisense, Haier, Westinghouse and Skyworth.
Hisense occupies the previouse prestigiouse Microsoft stand at CES 2013. Hisense just started Construction on the World's Largest R&D Base in Laoshan, China
and Hisense aims to be a top-three TV brand worldwide by 2015.
4K UHD will in very short time cost (almost) the same as the best HD TVs at the same sizes cost today.
Just as an indication of price development of 4K UHD TVs. Here are the prices Skyworth UHD TVs cost in mainland China just after these TVs where introduced there some months ago.
84" model# Skyworth E99UD ~ CNY - 99600.00 - 89999.00 = 15,990.17 USD - 14,449.30 USD
65" model# Skyworth E810U ~ CNY - 36999.00 - 31988.00 = 5,939.424 USD - 5,135.012 USD
50" model# Skyworth E780U ~ CNY - 9499.00 - 8498.00 = 1,525.01 USD 1,364.30 USD
I don't know how many 80" HD TVs are available in the US for $4000 except from the nearly banckrupt Sharp, so 84" UHD TVs for $4000 might take some time and maybe they wont reach that price before the 8K TVs is introduced when NHK starts regular 8K Broadcasts within the next 3-5 years.
But the Chines will certainly try to capture the market, and the best incentive is to price 4K UHD TVs comparable to today's HD TV prices.
TV size comparison;Edited by coolscan - 1/10/13 at 4:38am