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post #31 of 51
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post #32 of 51
Watched the BD tonight and it makes me want to get the 4K version right now (which I have seen in a cinema). The BD just lacks resolution which is obvious in many scenes if you have seen the original 4K. It's about as good as BD gets, though.
post #33 of 51
Once the price dropped a bit I was all over this and am now happy to have it in my personal collection. I haven't seen Chronos yet, but Samsara and Baraka do compliment one another quite well.
post #34 of 51
Why the arguing about 70MM, at the end everything was saying 65MM!
Much better than Chronos, or Baraka! Obviously the experiences of doing the first 2, helped in vastly improving Samsara. The Movie was Intense, had Chrystal Clear Audio, and ran the gaunlet of your emotions from start to finish. Colours beyond your imagination, and skin colours: choices of millions! (Over whelmed by how many humans are on this planet!) No complaints about buying this Blu-ray! 5 Thumbs up to this one. 4 for Baraka.
Confusing, to say the least! Trailers say 70MM, whereas the ending credits, and during the Interviews, Mark says 65MM, but the other Producer says 70MM?.
Edited by p5browne - 4/5/13 at 9:13pm
post #35 of 51
Custom 65mm should be the new standard by which film image quality is judged.

Digital cannot touch it... yet. I doubt even the current 8k sensors are THIS good.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Custom 65mm should be the new standard by which film image quality is judged.
Digital cannot touch it... yet. I doubt even the current 8k sensors are THIS good.
Depends what you look at. The current NHK 8K sensor for UHDTV is not the sensor to beat. The new dragon sensor from RED is the sensor to compare to 65mm.
With 65mm limited to a 4K release this sensor fully competes at 6K which produces superb 4K. It also has more latitude than film (> 16 stops). Colour rendition remains to be seen as this is new hardware and colour science for it. The sensor will debut at NAB next week. With 4K footage, I hope.
Update: No footage yet since they want to get the colour science perfect first, but 16.5 stops+ is confirmed which is more than film.
Edited by mhafner - 4/9/13 at 12:36am
post #37 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Custom 65mm should be the new standard by which film image quality is judged.
I would generally agree.
According to this report from a shootout between 70mm and 4K digital projection in 2011. 4K digital (DLP) can hold its own vs 70mm; http://www.avsforum.com/t/1319207/barcos-4k-dlp-cinema-projector-takes-on-15-70mm-film-at-digital-cinema-symposium
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Digital cannot touch it... yet. I doubt even the current 8k sensors are THIS good.
You are probably right about the 8K sensors, if it is the NHK 8K broadcast camera you are referring to. Sad to report that they don't have 8K sensors in those cameras, but use three CMOS 4K sensors and do some pixel shifting to acquire 8K.
The 8K JVC projector they have used to display 8K is similar and use 4K panels and e-Shift to create 8K. Which mean we should write this as "8K".

Sony F65 camera they have touted as a 8K camera doesn't have a 8K sensor, and when they in some days at NAB claim they "have made it real 8K" with a firmware upgrade, it is far from true as the camera only has a 20 megapixel sensor and lack more than 10 million pixels to have any 8K claim.

The short is that there are no 8K motion cameras in excistence at the moment, if not someone launch one at NAB 2013.

EDIT; ASTRODESIGN,Inc. together with NHK Engineering System,Inc. will show their 8K single sensor camera head at NAB.
No word on recording equipment, but it has dual Optical cable 12 channel output.
Edited by coolscan - 4/6/13 at 6:40am
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Confusing, to say the least! Trailers say 70MM, whereas the ending credits, and during the Interviews, Mark says 65MM, but the other Producer says 70MM?.

During photography, the movie is shot on 65mm film. For projection, it's printed out onto 70mm stock with added width for magnetic audio tracks on the sides. The two terms are often used interchangeably in the industry.
post #39 of 51
Thanks - some of us confused Seniors, need all the explaining we can get!

Blu-ray was a joy to watch, and never fell asleep during the whole presentation. Fell asleep during Chronos, and Baraka. (Maybe the First 2 Movies were just more relaxing?)

Another great Reference Blu-ray to watch is Legend of the Black Scorpion

I read someone's comment that Samsara looks really good on the 4K sets!
Edited by p5browne - 5/16/13 at 5:11pm
post #40 of 51
I got this disc in last week and watched it over the weekend on my Sony HW-50. First, yes the video quality is outstanding. But secondly, for me, I found the content extremely lacking.

The entire middle of the film was nothing but propaganda starting with the office worker who loses it with the clay on his face up until around the sex dolls (WTF!?!). I paid to watch enriching film with beautiful scenery and spiritual locations and beliefs, not some terrible documentary about slaughter houses, Asian factories, landfills strippers and sex dolls. Overall it killed the film for me, there are more than enough dedicated documentary films on those subjects to watch if you were so inclined, and in this case I felt like I'd watched something I didn't necessarily purchase. Unfortunately because of those scenes, it goes from something I'd throw in without question to demo my system to something either I'd only throw in for the first 10 minutes or wouldn't put it in at all - specifically because of that content in the middle... because my guests don't want to be demo'd strippers, sex dolls and shown how terrible we are for eating meat, producing trash and buying electronics.

Speaking of trash, I'd put it in the trash if it didn't cost me money.
post #41 of 51
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I got this disc in last week and watched it over the weekend on my Sony HW-50. First, yes the video quality is outstanding. But secondly, for me, I found the content extremely lacking.

The entire middle of the film was nothing but propaganda starting with the office worker who loses it with the clay on his face up until around the sex dolls (WTF!?!). I paid to watch enriching film with beautiful scenery and spiritual locations and beliefs, not some terrible documentary about slaughter houses, Asian factories, landfills strippers and sex dolls. Overall it killed the film for me, there are more than enough dedicated documentary films on those subjects to watch if you were so inclined, and in this case I felt like I'd watched something I didn't necessarily purchase. Unfortunately because of those scenes, it goes from something I'd throw in without question to demo my system to something either I'd only throw in for the first 10 minutes or wouldn't put it in at all - specifically because of that content in the middle... because my guests don't want to be demo'd strippers, sex dolls and shown how terrible we are for eating meat, producing trash and buying electronics.

Speaking of trash, I'd put it in the trash if it didn't cost me money.

Have you seen Ron Fricke's other 35mm and large format (65mm and IMAX) work like Baraka (meaning "Blessing"), Chronos (dealing with time), and Koyaanisqatsi (a Hopi Indian phrase meaning "Life Out of Balance")? They deal with balanced nature vs. chaotic man vs. man trying to become in balance with nature with various forms of spirituality subjects... the tranquil, the good, the bad, and the ugly. That's what you get. I'm sorry if you don't like these heady types of visual documentaries, but I knew beforehand going in that's the subject matter he deals with.

Sometimes you need to do your homework on these types of films to see if they'll jive with your sensibilities. In Baraka he filmed a Hindu funeral ceremony on the banks of the Ganges where you see the body in the pyre turn to ash. It was shocking, but you couldn't turn away. It was a part of their spiritualism and customs, and the family of the deceased doesn't flinch away either. Death is a part of the cycle.

It's life in all its facets up on the big screen and it is glorious and tragic at the same time. They're all great films... if you understand what you're getting in to first. smile.gif
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 7/15/13 at 10:34am
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Have you seen Ron Fricke's other 35mm and large format (65mm and IMAX) work like Baraka (meaning "Blessing"), Chronos (dealing with time), and Koyaanisqatsi (a Hopi Indian phrase meaning "Life Out of Balance")? They deal with balanced nature vs. chaotic man vs. man trying to become in balance with nature with various forms of spirituality subjects... the tranquil, the good, the bad, and the ugly. That's what you get. I'm sorry if you don't like these heady types of visual documentaries, but I knew beforehand going in that's the subject matter he deals with.

Sometimes you need to do your homework on these types of films to see if they'll jive with your sensibilities. In Baraka he filmed a Hindu funeral ceremony on the banks of the Ganges where you see the body in the pyre turn to ash. It was shocking, but you couldn't turn away. It was a part of their spiritualism and customs, and the family of the deceased doesn't flinch away either. Death is a part of the cycle.

It's life in all its facets up on the big screen and it is glorious and tragic at the same time. They're all great films... if you understand what you're getting in to first. smile.gif

I have not seen his previous work, but in any event I think there is better content to show 'tragic facets' than strippers and sex dolls. I have a hard time finding rational otherwise... how about all of the areas that were stricken by natural disasters during the time this was filmed? Or the conflicts in the Middle east? Basically I would have preferred anything but the route it took.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Have you seen Ron Fricke's other 35mm and large format (65mm and IMAX) work like Baraka (meaning "Blessing"), Chronos (dealing with time), and Koyaanisqatsi (a Hopi Indian phrase meaning "Life Out of Balance")? They deal with balanced nature vs. chaotic man vs. man trying to become in balance with nature with various forms of spirituality subjects... the tranquil, the good, the bad, and the ugly. That's what you get. I'm sorry if you don't like these heady types of visual documentaries, but I knew beforehand going in that's the subject matter he deals with.

Sometimes you need to do your homework on these types of films to see if they'll jive with your sensibilities. In Baraka he filmed a Hindu funeral ceremony on the banks of the Ganges where you see the body in the pyre turn to ash. It was shocking, but you couldn't turn away. It was a part of their spirituals and customs, and the family of the deceased doesn't flinch away either. Death is a part of the cycle.

It's life in all its facets up on the big screen and it is glorious and tragic at the same time. They're all great films... if you understand what you're getting in to first. smile.gif

Well said. These are very well done films IMO. Gives me a lot to think about and it makes you realize how good a lot of us have things in life in general.
post #44 of 51
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I have not seen his previous work, but in any event I think there is better content to show 'tragic facets' than strippers and sex dolls. I have a hard time finding rational otherwise... how about all of the areas that were stricken by natural disasters during the time this was filmed? Or the conflicts in the Middle east? Basically I would have preferred anything but the route it took.

This coincides with scenes in Baraka of exploited girls and women being used as prostitutes in Asia (many of them sold into white slavery rings). In Samsara, the ugly, angry, modern objectification of strippers and women viewed solely as sex dolls (hence using shots of real dolls used for you-know-what) is shown as a flip-side comparison and linkage to the graceful scenes like ones of the ethereal Hindu dancers (as shown on the cover) as a symbol of gazing upon a beautiful woman's wondrously supple, swaying body as one of ancient spiritual peace and tranquility rather than purely for animalistic instant gratification and sexual desire. One is grotesque and disgusting, the other enlightened and as lovely as the lotus flower.

Also, if you try to lug around 65mm film equipment and time lapse gear in the middle of a war zone, be prepared to have your head blown off. In Baraka, he did shots of the aftermath of the Gulf War and WWII.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 7/15/13 at 1:55pm
post #45 of 51
Fair enough, those are solid points. I guess I was hoping more for beautiful imagery and less of the creator's views of the world, which was my own false judgement.

In any case I wanted to put this out there as it had missed the mark for me, and from what I had seen up till now none of this had been discussed - basically only how great the AV is had been discussed in my readings. Perhaps this will save somebody else from a purchase that doesn't want to be reminded of how awful we are when demo'g AV equipment. smile.gif
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

Fair enough, those are solid points. I guess I was hoping more for beautiful imagery and less of the creator's views of the world, which was my own false judgement.

In any case I wanted to put this out there as it had missed the mark for me, and from what I had seen up till now none of this had been discussed - basically only how great the AV is had been discussed in my readings. Perhaps this will save somebody else from a purchase that doesn't want to be reminded of how awful we are when demo'g AV equipment. smile.gif

I think these films point out where many of us, unfortunately, are in the grand scheme of things and where we should be going (at least giving it a try). Like looking at the world from two points of view. One is full of callousness and despair, the other is full of wonder and delight.

One of the most powerful images in Baraka is of a little native child peering at us through the foliage of the jungle we are destroying.

You actually should take a look at Ron Fricke's IMAX film Chronos. Great, powerful 5.1 music (in 24 bit/96 kHz lossless no less that will definitely give all your speakers a workout), excellent cinematography and time lapse without the stuff you were objecting to in your first post. It gets some of the point across in a less powerful manner without shocking your guests (IMAX films have to be made for general audiences). biggrin.gif May not hold up to Samsara in the visual department since 8k scanning and film restoration has come a long way in a few short years, but it still excels in the quality filmmaking department. I hope they'll take a stab at doing a fresh transfer of Chronos and even Baraka using the digital tools that made Samsara's 65mm footage so awesome.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 7/15/13 at 3:00pm
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I got this disc in last week and watched it over the weekend on my Sony HW-50. First, yes the video quality is outstanding. But secondly, for me, I found the content extremely lacking.

The entire middle of the film was nothing but propaganda starting with the office worker who loses it with the clay on his face up until around the sex dolls (WTF!?!). I paid to watch enriching film with beautiful scenery and spiritual locations and beliefs, not some terrible documentary about slaughter houses, Asian factories, landfills strippers and sex dolls. Overall it killed the film for me, there are more than enough dedicated documentary films on those subjects to watch if you were so inclined, and in this case I felt like I'd watched something I didn't necessarily purchase. Unfortunately because of those scenes, it goes from something I'd throw in without question to demo my system to something either I'd only throw in for the first 10 minutes or wouldn't put it in at all - specifically because of that content in the middle... because my guests don't want to be demo'd strippers, sex dolls and shown how terrible we are for eating meat, producing trash and buying electronics.

Speaking of trash, I'd put it in the trash if it didn't cost me money.

It was mentioned in this thread that there are some scenes in this movie that some might find disturbing, so I expected it when I watched it. Personally, I loved this film and will add it to my collection. Not only is it a visual treat, but a very thought provoking film. Having said that, I'll be the first to admit its not for everyone. But then if we all liked the same type of movies there wouldn't be much variety....pretty boring. wink.gif

Btw, for those looking for demo material, another film I found visually stunning was Life of Pi.
post #48 of 51
Life of Pi is definitely beautiful, I already had the 2D BD and watched it a couple times but just picked up the 3D disc a month or so back and still need to give it a full watch.
post #49 of 51
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Life of Pi is definitely beautiful, I already had the 2D BD and watched it a couple times but just picked up the 3D disc a month or so back and still need to give it a full watch.

Life of Pi 3D is just gorgeous, Done Deal. I would never watch it 2D having the 3D disc at hand (of course, if it's my call to make!). Hope you enjoy it as much! cool.gif

Going back to Samsara, I haven't seen any of the other works mentioned here related to it, but, now that you--and others--mention the darkness, it makes me all the more willing to get this some day, as I do enjoy a bit of yin in my yang! wink.gif

Man, sooooo many great Blu-ray titles.....sooooo little dough! eek.gif
post #50 of 51
I guess this is what happens when you haven't been on the forum for awhile. Just noticed this title on Netflix the other day and, without realizing what it was, watched it in all it's bit-starved, streaming HD glory. Even at that, the beauty of the images was obvious and so I ended up ordering the Blu-ray. Looking forward to seeing it again.
post #51 of 51
you will love it... the BD is stunning
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